Official Clevo X170SM-G Thread

[1610ftw]

28 minutes ago, MaxxD said:

 

My goal is to reduce.  3.5GHz would be perfectly fine with an i5 processor. Since it is a locked processor, increasing the multiplier is not even possible.😉😃

 

If you want to reduce then use Throttlestop 🙂

 

Download version 9.4 and it should let you play with multipliers and a slight undervolt up to the 10900K

https://www.techpowerup.com/285686/techpowerup-throttlestop-v9-4-released

 

or you can use 9.3 for an easier to use interface for CPUs up to 8 cores:

https://www.techpowerup.com/278547/techpowerup-throttlestop-9-3-released

 

It allows you to have 4 presets and it is pretty easy to switch between them.

Another nice bonus is that it allows you to switch Windows power modes that Windows has been hiding from us for some time now.

 

I would assume that an undervolt of -75/-25 should be very stable if you want to use even less power and at 3.5GHz the fans should be more or less inaudible with only 6 cores.

[MaxxD]

56 minutes ago, 1610ftw said:

 

If you want to reduce then use Throttlestop 🙂

 

Download version 9.4 and it should let you play with multipliers and a slight undervolt up to the 10900K

https://www.techpowerup.com/285686/techpowerup-throttlestop-v9-4-released

 

or you can use 9.3 for an easier to use interface for CPUs up to 8 cores:

https://www.techpowerup.com/278547/techpowerup-throttlestop-9-3-released

 

It allows you to have 4 presets and it is pretty easy to switch between them.

Another nice bonus is that it allows you to switch Windows power modes that Windows has been hiding from us for some time now.

 

I would assume that an undervolt of -75/-25 should be very stable if you want to use even less power and at 3.5GHz the fans should be more or less inaudible with only 6 cores.

 

Turbo OFF (or set to 35x Core Clock) and it's already solved, 3GHz is enough. 😃

Thank you!

[MaxxD]

I did a quick Game Bench test. (RDR 2)
FHD resolution, i5-10400F (default) + RTX 2080 Super (default) + 4x16GB DDR4 3200MHz @ 2666MHz CL17 /// i9-10900K (default) + RTX 3080 (default) + 2x8GB DDR4 @ 2666 CL19 /// GPU Driver: 555.99 Game Ready

 

RTX 2080 Super 8GB

LINK Pict.

 

RTX 3080 16GB

Link Pict.

[1610ftw]

7 minutes ago, MaxxD said:

I did a quick Game Bench test. (RDR 2)
FHD resolution, i5-10400F (default) + RTX 2080 Super (default) + 4x16GB DDR4 3200MHz @ 2666MHz CL17 /// i9-10900K (default) + RTX 3080 (default) + 2x8GB DDR4 @ 2666 CL19 /// GPU Driver: 555.99 Game Ready

 

RTX 2080 Super 8GB

LINK Pict.

 

RTX 3080 16GB

Link Pict.

 

That is a huge increase in average framerate - is it possible you are a bit CPU limited with the 2080 Super setup?

 

Also you may want to increase memory on the 3080 laptop as tests have shown that minimum framerates go up when you have 32 and even 64GB or memory and 2 x 8 certainly will limit you to some degree.

 

I found this some time ago and found it quite interesting and my son has seen more stable fps after going from 32 to 64 so 32GB is certainly a safe bet but if you are running something on the side on a second monitor I would always go for at least 64GB:

 

 

In any case even with these caveats it looks like the 3080 is worth it and I hope these results make you a bit happy 🙂

[MaxxD]

1 hour ago, 1610ftw said:

 

That is a huge increase in average framerate - is it possible you are a bit CPU limited with the 2080 Super setup?

 

Also you may want to increase memory on the 3080 laptop as tests have shown that minimum framerates go up when you have 32 and even 64GB or memory and 2 x 8 certainly will limit you to some degree.

 

I found this some time ago and found it quite interesting and my son has seen more stable fps after going from 32 to 64 so 32GB is certainly a safe bet but if you are running something on the side on a second monitor I would always go for at least 64GB:

 

 

In any case even with these caveats it looks like the 3080 is worth it and I hope these results make you a bit happy 🙂

 

We already have 2x32GB DDR4 3200MHz CL20 RAM KIT.  

 

 

I will put it in when the TG KryoSheet tiles have arrived.  I looked and the GPU is fully used with i5 (CPU is not limited - Default) 🤗😃

 

Thank you!✌️

[1610ftw]

25 minutes ago, MaxxD said:

 

We already have 2x32GB DDR4 3200MHz CL20 RAM KIT.  

 

 

I will put it in when the TG KryoSheet tiles have arrived.  I looked and the GPU is fully used with i5 (CPU is not limited - Default) 🤗😃

 

Thank you!✌️

 

Excellent, that should help with the lower end and with multitasking!

[MaxxD]

56 minutes ago, 1610ftw said:

 

Excellent, that should help with the lower end and with multitasking!

 

I have bad news!😆😐
I did another test because I saw the GPU went 130W+ only during the test. Now CPU 4GHz+ and GPU 180W+ (95% utilization) (2080S) and the 3080 is not even better! 😛 /although a test is not a test!/

 

RTX 2080 Super 8GB

LINK (Pict.)

[1610ftw]

51 minutes ago, MaxxD said:

 

I have bad news!😆😐
I did another test because I saw the GPU went 130W+ only during the test. Now CPU 4GHz+ and GPU 180W+ (95% utilization) (2080S) and the 3080 is not even better! 😛 /although a test is not a test!/

 

RTX 2080 Super 8GB

LINK (Pict.)

 

Do a TimeSpy test then, that is a better comparison.

I doubt you will exceed 12000 GPU score with the 2080 Super and that CPU will probably end up closer to 7000.

[MaxxD]

I have one observation that could be a phenomenon due to the 3080 GPU.
A 4K 120Hz G-Sync OLED TV is connected with an HDMI 2.1 cable (there are HDMI 2.1 ports on the TV) and the machine also knows 4K 120Hz G-Sync with an HDMI 2.1 cable, but at any resolution (I didn't watch it on FHD) but 1440p and above, yes.

The display (GPU) gets a load. for example, I start a SuperBench Benchmark test, then the image starts flashing (on the TV) and if I don't switch to the laptop display, the machine restarts after a while. (Blue Screen appears) I think it could be a hardware or even software conflict that is causing this phenomenon. We have nothing to do with this, only the Prema Team could offer a solution...🙄

 

It is not for nothing that the BIOS of the Prema Team X170SM-G machine was written as including the RTX 20xx series. So the RTX 2080 Super is the last card with which it will definitely work 100%!
We're just trying the RTX 3080 card here, but it's no use if it doesn't have BIOS support and playing around with the driver is just one thing. Regardless of this, it will never work 100% until the BIOS is written to fully support RTX 30xx cards... anyone can say anything, but unfortunately this is the truth!😋

 

(I hope I wrote it clearly)
Thanks!

[MaxxD]

3 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

 

Do a TimeSpy test then, that is a better comparison.

I doubt you will exceed 12000 GPU score with the 2080 Super and that CPU will probably end up closer to 7000.

 

Yes, the RTX 3080 GPU is slightly better, but not by much. (we knew that)

Comparison of similar configurations. (PCS and zTecpc Clevo X170SM-G / Default BIOS and spec. i9-10900K and 2080S / 3080 GPU)
SuperPosition Benchmark 1080p Extreme and 4K Optimized Benchmark test run.

 

SPB 1080p Extreme

PCS X170 (i9-10900K , RTX 2080 Super)

zTecpc X170 (i9-10900K , RTX 3080)

 

SPB 4K

PCS X170 (i9-10900K , RTX 2080 Super)

zTecpc X170 (i9-10900K , RTX 3080)

[MiRaGe]

My 2080 in P775TM1-G

 

[MaxxD]

30 minutes ago, MiRaGe said:

My 2080 in P775TM1-G

 

 

Default GPU or OC?😲

 

Here, the two laptops are side by side, so I tested them simultaneously under FHD resolution, on their own display.

/3DMark Port Royal, Time Spy, Time Spy Extreme , Speed Way , Steed Nomad (Normal & Light) , SuperPosition Benchmark FHD/4K/8K Optimized/

 

Unfortunately, the 3080 does not support 165W TDP, only 150W+

 

X170 PCS (i5-10400F + RTX 2080 Super)

X170 zTecpc (i9-10900K + RTX 3080)

[MiRaGe]

200W vBios and +170/900 OC

[1610ftw]

2 hours ago, MaxxD said:

 

Yes, the RTX 3080 GPU is slightly better, but not by much. (we knew that)

Comparison of similar configurations. (PCS and zTecpc Clevo X170SM-G / Default BIOS and spec. i9-10900K and 2080S / 3080 GPU)
SuperPosition Benchmark 1080p Extreme and 4K Optimized Benchmark test run.

 

SPB 1080p Extreme

PCS X170 (i9-10900K , RTX 2080 Super)

zTecpc X170 (i9-10900K , RTX 3080)

 

SPB 4K

PCS X170 (i9-10900K , RTX 2080 Super)

zTecpc X170 (i9-10900K , RTX 3080)

 

10 to 15% TimeSpy sounds about right which is even more impressive with about 20% less power.

[MaxxD]

7 hours ago, MiRaGe said:

200W vBios and +170/900 OC

 

I understand that there is also a more powerful (220W+) BIOS for the RTX 2080 Super card.

Where is it available?🤔

[MaxxD]

9 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

 

10 to 15% TimeSpy sounds about right which is even more impressive with about 20% less power.

 

FHD Spec default (CPU, GPU)

Time Spy PCS C170 (RTX 2080 Super) and EXTREME

Time Spy zTecpc X170 (RTX 3080) and EXTREME

[Pfudaniel]

3 minutes ago, MaxxD said:

 

FHD Spec default (CPU, GPU)

Time Spy PCS C170 (RTX 2080 Super) and EXTREME

Time Spy zTecpc X170 (RTX 3080) and EXTREME

This proves that ur ztec with 3080 is much faster then the PCS with 2080s 🙂

[1610ftw]

3 hours ago, MaxxD said:

 

I understand that there is also a more powerful (220W+) BIOS for the RTX 2080 Super card.

Where is it available?🤔

 

These are not getting any younger and unless you are benching you will gain very little beyond 200W.

 

Here is the 150W 2080 in my GT75:

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/105739683

 

As you can see it is not far behind the best 2080 with 200W and it will run a lot cooler with that power consumption with a reduction in performance of a bit more than 5%

 

Here is my 2080S in the SM-G. Obviously with some overclocking via MSI Afterburner but with 200W:

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/91483697

 

So it is not that hard to surpass 12000 with the stock 200W.

 

The 3080 scales better so adding 20 to 30W to the 3080 would help more.

[Bidelloman]

6 minutes ago, 1610ftw said:

 

These are not getting any younger and unless you are benching you will gain very little beyond 200W.

 

Here is the 150W 2080 in my GT75:

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/105739683

 

As you can see it is not far behind the best 2080 with 200W and it will run a lot cooler with that power consumption with a reduction in performance of a bit more than 5%

 

Here is my 2080S in the SM-G. Obviously with some overclocking via MSI Afterburner but with 200W:

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/91483697

 

So it is not that hard to surpass 12000 with the stock 200W.

 

The 3080 scales better so adding 20 to 30W to the 3080 would help more.

yeah,  if only there was a feature that would, oh I dunno, add around 15 watts...maybe dynamically, during loads where boost is required

[MaxxD]

17 minutes ago, 1610ftw said:

 

These are not getting any younger and unless you are benching you will gain very little beyond 200W.

 

Here is the 150W 2080 in my GT75:

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/105739683

 

As you can see it is not far behind the best 2080 with 200W and it will run a lot cooler with that power consumption with a reduction in performance of a bit more than 5%

 

Here is my 2080S in the SM-G. Obviously with some overclocking via MSI Afterburner but with 200W:

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/91483697

 

So it is not that hard to surpass 12000 with the stock 200W.

 

The 3080 scales better so adding 20 to 30W to the 3080 would help more.

 

In the case of a 3080, I would be happy with 165W+ consumption/performance and then I would be happy!🤔🤭

[1610ftw]

9 hours ago, Bidelloman said:

yeah,  if only there was a feature that would, oh I dunno, add around 15 watts...maybe dynamically, during loads where boost is required

 

Well that would be a great idea - why has nobody thought about that before 😄

 

Actually I think it is a shitty idea by Nvidia and that it would be much easier to set an honest max of 165W or preferably more and then add a slider that goes from let's say 100 to 200W and let the customer decide max power consumption.

 

From the start it has been ridiculous that the 2080 Super with more limited potential is able to run at 200W and the 3080 is not allowed to run at 200W, too and the same now goes for the even more powerful 4090.

 

150W 2080S to 200W -> small increase in performance

150W 3080 to 200W -> pretty big increase in performance

 

That is also the reason that I would prefer to do a shunt mod and then I would try to dial in the 3080 at something like 180W max.

 

Not easy of course to measure exact power consumption after a shunt mod but with a watt meter and always running the same benchmarks that max out the GPU it should be possible.

[Prema]

If you guys want 165W with a 3080 on X170SM without Dynamic "Boost" (CPU throttle), just install 528.24 driver without the nvidia platform controller via nvcleaninstall and raise the power slider in Afterburner to max. 

 

ET VOILÀ!

[MaxxD]

33 minutes ago, Prema said:

If you guys want 165W with a 3080 on X170SM without Dynamic "Boost" (CPU throttle), just install 528.24 driver without the nvidia platform controller via nvcleaninstall and raise the power slider in Afterburner to max. 

 

ET VOILÀ!

 

Thank You!  I'll have a look too. ✌️

At the moment, the forum partner (Bidelloman) made me an NVCleaninstall version (555.99 nV GRDY) installation driver.  

 

It uses 150W max.  

The card and unfortunately no G-Sync or GPU Boost either.  

The HDMI part is also confusing, because the TV detects the presence of 4K 120Hz G-Sync, but the GPU standard may know it, but the HDMI connector standard (which is included in the machine) does not!🤔

[MaxxD]

5 hours ago, Prema said:

If you guys want 165W with a 3080 on X170SM without Dynamic "Boost" (CPU throttle), just install 528.24 driver without the nvidia platform controller via nvcleaninstall and raise the power slider in Afterburner to max. 

 

ET VOILÀ!

 

Perfect, the 165W+ TDP works too!✌️
Thank You!🙏

 

Couple Test results:

FHD Spec (CPU, GPU)

 

3DMark Time Spy Benchmark:

Default: zTecpc X170 (RTX 3080 165W)

+170/600 "OC"

 

SuperPosition Benchmark:

Default: zTecpc X170 (RTX 3080 165W)

+170/600 "OC"

 

GPU-Z Picture

[MiRaGe]

The problem here is the driver is quite old, this is not going to be a long lasting solution unfortunately...