saturnotaku Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 Based on the company's responses, or lack thereof in some cases, it appears as though AMD is actively blocking developers from including support for non-FSR upscaling tech in games that they sponsor. It's pretty sad when NVIDIA comes out looking pro-consumer based on how it handled similar questions from the media. 4 Desktop: Ryzen 9 5950X | 32 GB RAM | GeForce RTX 4070 | 2 TB SSD | Windows 10 Lenovo Legion Pro 7i: Core i9-13900HX | 32 GB RAM | GeForce RTX 4080 | 2 TB SSD | Windows 11 Lenovo IdeaPad 3 Gaming: Ryzen 7 6800H | 16 GB RAM | GeForce RTX 3050 | 512 GB SSD | Windows 11 Lenovo IdeaPad 5 Pro: Ryzen 5 5600U | 16 GB RAM | Radeon Graphics | 512 GB SSD | Windows 11 Apple iPad Gen 9: A13 Bionic | 3 GB RAM | 64 GB | iPadOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KING19 Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 Its a dumb move by AMD especially when FSR works with all NVIDIA GPUs and its open sourced. Also modders will eventually replace FSR with DLSS in AMD sponsored games like they've been doing and vice versa with DLSS only games... NVIDIA is already anti-consumer enough but now its AMD's turn. 5 Current Laptop: Lenovo Legion 5: AMD Ryzen 7 4800H 2.8Ghz (Boost: 4.2Ghz), 6GB Nvidia Geforce GTX 1660Ti GDDR6 Memory, 15.6" FHD (1920 x 1080) 144Hz IPS display, 32GB 3200MHz DDR4 memory, 512GB M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD, 1 TB Teamgroup MP34 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD, Windows 10 Home 22H2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 On 7/5/2023 at 6:32 PM, KING19 said: Its a dumb move by AMD especially when FSR works with all NVIDIA GPUs and its open sourced. Also modders will eventually replace FSR with DLSS in AMD sponsored games like they've been doing and vice versa with DLSS only games... NVIDIA is already anti-consumer enough but now its AMD's turn. AMD was always anti-consumer (as most Corporations are by nature profits > consumers), it just wasn't as egregious as Nvidia's transgressions so many flew under the radar. I guess the idea here is FSR is available on all hardware while DLSS is not so Nvidia needs to get with the program and make DLSS on a certain level available on AMD hardware like they did (kinda) with G-sync once Freesync was made available by AMD. FSR is continuing to make improvements but still isn't on DLSS's level. 3 Electrosoft Prime: 7800X3D | MSI x670e Carbon | MSI Suprim X Liquid 4090 | EVGA CLC 360mm AIO | G.Skill 6000 A-Die 2x32GB | Samsung 980 1TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Samsung G7 43" 4k mLED Eurocom Raptor X15 | 12900k | Nvidia RTX 3070ti | 15.6" 1080p 240hz | Kingston 3200 32GB (2x16GB) | Samsung 980 Pro 1TB Heatsink Edition Heath: i9-12900k | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB Klex 3600mhz | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" MelMel: i5-12500 | Asus Prime B660 | Asus KO RTX 3070 | 32GB G.Skill 3333 | 512GB M.2 | Gamdias | Dell 25" 240hz 1080p Kekere Aderubaniyan: SP115 13900KS | MSI Z690i Edge | PowerColor 6700XT | IDC 280mm AIO | Samsung 980 Pro | RipJaws DDR5 32GB | No case atm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saturnotaku Posted July 12 Author Share Posted July 12 14 hours ago, electrosoft said: I guess the idea here is FSR is available on all hardware while DLSS is not so Nvidia needs to get with the program and make DLSS on a certain level available on AMD hardware like they did (kinda) with G-sync once Freesync was made available by AMD. FSR is continuing to make improvements but still isn't on DLSS's level. DLSS requires the tensor cores that are a part of RTX GPUs. If it were possible to make DLSS function across the board, NVIDIA would have made a stink about the ability to use it on cards like the 16- and 10-series. Just like how enhanced variable refresh rate tech, such as the ability for it to operate as low as 1 Hz when FreeSync typically bottoms out around 48 Hz, is only offered on G-Sync monitors that have NVIDIA's hardware module. 3 Desktop: Ryzen 9 5950X | 32 GB RAM | GeForce RTX 4070 | 2 TB SSD | Windows 10 Lenovo Legion Pro 7i: Core i9-13900HX | 32 GB RAM | GeForce RTX 4080 | 2 TB SSD | Windows 11 Lenovo IdeaPad 3 Gaming: Ryzen 7 6800H | 16 GB RAM | GeForce RTX 3050 | 512 GB SSD | Windows 11 Lenovo IdeaPad 5 Pro: Ryzen 5 5600U | 16 GB RAM | Radeon Graphics | 512 GB SSD | Windows 11 Apple iPad Gen 9: A13 Bionic | 3 GB RAM | 64 GB | iPadOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 5 hours ago, saturnotaku said: DLSS requires the tensor cores that are a part of RTX GPUs. If it were possible to make DLSS function across the board, NVIDIA would have made a stink about the ability to use it on cards like the 16- and 10-series. Just like how enhanced variable refresh rate tech, such as the ability for it to operate as low as 1 Hz when FreeSync typically bottoms out around 48 Hz, is only offered on G-Sync monitors that have NVIDIA's hardware module. Ah yes.... "requires" I don't like what AMD is doing but I understand. I don't like what Nvidia is doing but I understand. It's war and they both play dirty. DLSS or not, I'll be playing Starfield. 🙂 4 Electrosoft Prime: 7800X3D | MSI x670e Carbon | MSI Suprim X Liquid 4090 | EVGA CLC 360mm AIO | G.Skill 6000 A-Die 2x32GB | Samsung 980 1TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Samsung G7 43" 4k mLED Eurocom Raptor X15 | 12900k | Nvidia RTX 3070ti | 15.6" 1080p 240hz | Kingston 3200 32GB (2x16GB) | Samsung 980 Pro 1TB Heatsink Edition Heath: i9-12900k | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB Klex 3600mhz | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" MelMel: i5-12500 | Asus Prime B660 | Asus KO RTX 3070 | 32GB G.Skill 3333 | 512GB M.2 | Gamdias | Dell 25" 240hz 1080p Kekere Aderubaniyan: SP115 13900KS | MSI Z690i Edge | PowerColor 6700XT | IDC 280mm AIO | Samsung 980 Pro | RipJaws DDR5 32GB | No case atm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KING19 Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 Some good news AMD bent the knee https://www.notebookcheck.net/Frank-Azor-Bethesda-has-our-full-support-to-integrate-DLSS-in-Starfield-HYPR-RX-with-Fluid-Motion-Frames-to-launch-in-Q1-24-and-is-RDNA-3-dGPU-and-iGPU-exclusive.743882.0.html 1 Current Laptop: Lenovo Legion 5: AMD Ryzen 7 4800H 2.8Ghz (Boost: 4.2Ghz), 6GB Nvidia Geforce GTX 1660Ti GDDR6 Memory, 15.6" FHD (1920 x 1080) 144Hz IPS display, 32GB 3200MHz DDR4 memory, 512GB M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD, 1 TB Teamgroup MP34 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD, Windows 10 Home 22H2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 thank god for modders, starfield was saved right at the start with the DLSS mod. I promptly installed it without issues, I really hope this is not a trend. Forza motorsport is coming out soon and it might be as ign calls it a masterpiece if the early previews are anything to go by. fingers crossed it has working DLSS Neo : Omen 16 2021 | i7-11800h | 64Gb ram | RTX 3060 (140w) modded | 2tb Evo plus/1tb | 1080p 100srgb 144hz | Windows 10 | Sony 55X85J | ROG Flare | Razer basilisk X Morpheus : HP 15-dy2018ca - 11th gen I5 | 16gb DDR 4 | 1tb SSD | intel Xe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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