Clarifying Questions on upgrading P870DM3 and P750DM2

[0anassa0]

Hello all,

 

I used to spend some time in NBR, made an account here after the migration but seem to have lost my old account, anyways!

 

I have a P870DM3 and P750DM2 that I may want to bring to life again but not sure which to go with.  I recently was able to get a hold of a 3070 for a decent price so it will go into one or the other.

 

P870DM3:

• 360hz 1080p screen upgrade?
  • What is this craziness of B173HAN05.1 and 6-43-p7751-020-1L cable = plug and play 360hz screen upgrade?
  • Any other nice screen upgrades? I currently have the 144hz 1080p screen?
• 3070 GPU install
  • Now I would have the most thermal room in the P870DM3, but I am seeing only the heatsink on aliexpress for ~$300?
  • Are there other options for a heatsink?
  • I feel like heat management is a huge bonus here for P870DM3 as it is able to manage my 180w 1080 gtx very well
• CPU P870TM heatsink
  • I have the P870TM heatsink (not installed), but I think I need to file down the screws a little for them to fit?
  • It currently already has a 9900k with the dsanke bios, but am worried about being able to keep it cool enough.
• CPU upgrade
  • Is there anything beyond 9900k? Other than 9900ks? If it is possible to keep temps in check it has a long life left but still curious.
• Future GPU upgrade:
  • I see in the Official P870TM-G thread user "Developer79" teasing finding a way to fit MXM->PCI-E adapter that in the future might allow desktop GPU PCB installed in P870 series + some kind of customer heatsink and still slap on the bottom to make it portable? Now if that is possible the choice would be very easy.

 

P750DM2:

• More portable 15" laptop
• GPU heatsink:
  • I already have the air cooled (not water) one piece heatsink from aliexpress that I could easy drill small holes in for mounting the 3070
  • 3070 is also 140w GPU so easier to cool in a smaller chassis
• LGA1151 adapter w laptop cpu?
  • I see on aliexpress some lower watt laptop cpus that have been converted to LGA1151 socket?
  • Would this work for the P750DM2 to help keep temps down with still decent performance to match the 3070?
  • I currently have a 8700k for it, so something with similar performance would be pretty good match for 3070 I think
• Are there any good screen upgrade options?

 

Conclusion:

• IF I can have:
  • a lower watt CPU (with decent performance) that can stay cool
  • 3070 that already uses less power than 1080 gtx
  • on the one piece heatsink I have
  • decent screen upgrade with good refresh rate
  • THEN P750DM2 can be a good daily use work/game laptop - and - I can maybe keep the P870DM3 for long term modding fun or sell it.

 

So I need some guidance as I am trying to catch up on what I missed the last few years and what is or is not available and possible.

 

Thanks all

[anassa]

Yay me! Found my old account again. Anyways still same questions.

[Developer79]

3 hours ago, 0anassa0 said:

360hz 1080p screen upgrade?

• What is this craziness of B173HAN05.1 and 6-43-p7751-020-1L cable = plug and play 360hz screen upgrade?
• Any other nice screen upgrades? I currently have the 144hz 1080p screen?

 

This works without any major problems. You just have to build a few brackets. This works up to UHD 144Hz.

3 hours ago, 0anassa0 said:

3070 GPU install

• Now I would have the most thermal room in the P870DM3, but I am seeing only the heatsink on aliexpress for ~$300?
• Are there other options for a heatsink?
• I feel like heat management is a huge bonus here for P870DM3 as it is able to manage my 180w 1080 gtx very well

 

I have developed adapters for the P870xx and P775xx, which makes it possible to use all old heatsinks for these laptops. They only need to be machined using a milling machine. You don't need heatsinks from Ali or anywhere else, it works just as well with my adapters. I have already developed the 3rd version of these adapters. I have been using these adapters for a long time since the RTX30xx series came out.

 

3 hours ago, 0anassa0 said:

• CPU P870TM heatsink
  • I have the P870TM heatsink (not installed), but I think I need to file down the screws a little for them to fit?
  • It currently already has a 9900k with the dsanke bios, but am worried about being able to keep it cool enough.
• CPU upgrade
  • Is there anything beyond 9900k? Other than 9900ks? If it is possible to keep temps in check it has a long life left but still curious.

Of course you can. It is possible to install this heatsink in the P870DM3 without any major problems. The P870DMG is more difficult.

 

3 hours ago, 0anassa0 said:

Future GPU upgrade:

• I see in the Official P870TM-G thread user "Developer79" teasing finding a way to fit MXM->PCI-E adapter that in the future might allow desktop GPU PCB installed in P870 series + some kind of customer heatsink and still slap on the bottom to make it portable? Now if that is possible the choice would be very easy.

 

I have finished the adaptation electrically. I may show a photo of the adapter soon. I have tested the RTX4070 so far. That alone is already amazing. This card is already much faster than an RTX4090 laptop. I also tested the RTX4090 FE last weekend. It's a real monster. That's too much for the P870xx. I would see the RTX4080 as my favorite. This card fits very well, but the RTX4070 also fits very well. The benchmarks in the thread show the outstanding performance. Real 16 lane connection and full desktop performance.
An acquaintance recently asked me about the possibility of installing the 13900HX and 14900HX. I have checked it as far as possible. It might work. I would have to develop 2 boards for the P870xx series. I'm not going to do that for now 🙂
Anyway, cooling is more important for now. I don't have much time at the moment and money is of course also a factor.

4 hours ago, 0anassa0 said:

• More portable 15" laptop
• GPU heatsink:
  • I already have the air cooled (not water) one piece heatsink from aliexpress that I could easy drill small holes in for mounting the 3070
  • 3070 is also 140w GPU so easier to cool in a smaller chassis
• LGA1151 adapter w laptop cpu?
  • I see on aliexpress some lower watt laptop cpus that have been converted to LGA1151 socket?
  • Would this work for the P750DM2 to help keep temps down with still decent performance to match the 3070?
  • I currently have a 8700k for it, so something with similar performance would be pretty good match for 3070 I think
• Are there any good screen upgrade options?

See my comments on the P870xx. By the way, the Vapourchmaber in the P870xx cools best. I achieved the following temps with this combination and RTX3070/RTX3080. RTX3070 52 degrees and RTX3080 approx. max. 60 degrees. For the P775xx, the RTX3070 would be the best option with high performance and less heat development.

4 hours ago, 0anassa0 said:

• IF I can have:
  • a lower watt CPU (with decent performance) that can stay cool
  • 3070 that already uses less power than 1080 gtx
  • on the one piece heatsink I have
  • decent screen upgrade with good refresh rate
  • THEN P750DM2 can be a good daily use work/game laptop - and - I can maybe keep the P870DM3 for long term modding fun or sell it.

 

So I need some guidance as I am trying to catch up on what I missed the last few years and what is or is not available and possible.

To summarize:
Yes, you can see what has already been said above and what is possible. Unfortunately, Clevo has succumbed to the prevailing monetary system and now only builds laptops without a desktop CPU or desktop GPU (MXM).
My idea was to create an extension for the P870xx, as it has the best prerequisites from an engineering point of view. I have tried to implement this and it works for the GPU.
My tests show that the P870xx is still 2023 up-to-date in pure gaming performance (also MXM RTX30xx and UHD) and my extension is much faster than an RTX4090 laptop compared to RTX40xx laptop. I am also curious how the new RTX50xx series will be. I hope NVida makes the same brilliant progress as with the RTX40xx series. In my opinion, this is the best in many years. I was blown away by the performance of the RTX4070 desktop and the RTX4090 is absolutely amazing in a laptop. The RTX4080 is the upper limit from a technical point of view. But the performance is also far superior in any resolution!

[anassa]

13 hours ago, Developer79 said:

This works without any major problems. You just have to build a few brackets. This works up to UHD 144Hz.

 

Even if the panel supports higher refresh are we limited to 144?

 

13 hours ago, Developer79 said:

I have developed adapters for the P870xx and P775xx, which makes it possible to use all old heatsinks for these laptops. They only need to be machined using a milling machine. You don't need heatsinks from Ali or anywhere else, it works just as well with my adapters. I have already developed the 3rd version of these adapters. I have been using these adapters for a long time since the RTX30xx series came out.

 

Do you mind if I ask where these adapters are available? Do you have a link or something I can look into?

 

13 hours ago, Developer79 said:

I have finished the adaptation electrically. I may show a photo of the adapter soon. I have tested the RTX4070 so far. That alone is already amazing. This card is already much faster than an RTX4090 laptop. I also tested the RTX4090 FE last weekend. It's a real monster. That's too much for the P870xx. I would see the RTX4080 as my favorite. This card fits very well, but the RTX4070 also fits very well. The benchmarks in the thread show the outstanding performance. Real 16 lane connection and full desktop performance.
An acquaintance recently asked me about the possibility of installing the 13900HX and 14900HX. I have checked it as far as possible. It might work. I would have to develop 2 boards for the P870xx series. I'm not going to do that for now 🙂
Anyway, cooling is more important for now. I don't have much time at the moment and money is of course also a factor.

 

THIS I find SUPER interesting! You are right! A full desktop 4070 would be amazing! I think if it allowed future X060 or X070 series GPUs to be installed that would be a huge win. It doesn't matter if it is 4080 or 4090, those more middle tier gpus would be good enough! I am very curious how this will work out.  Just because of this I will keep my P870DM3 just to see what will be possible.

 

 

 

I think with the amazing work @Developer79 is putting in.  I will probably put the 3070 into the P750DM2, turn it into a regular work/gaming laptop and have the P870DM3 as a longer term build to see what comes up.

 

Thanks!

[zex4]

Developer79 is the craziest modder I ever saw with outstanding skills....

 

I also dreaming for cpu mods for my 775dm3 with newer gen cpus...for example as you can read here...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hwcooling.net/en/recycling-in-china-laptop-cpus-turned-into-lga-1151-upgrades/%3famp=1

 

I am also using a mxm to pciex16 gpu adapter from adtlink successfully for long time now with rtx 2060 super 👌

 

What left is cpu mods let's see 😇

 

Also good luck 👍 

[Developer79]

14 hours ago, anassa said:

Even if the panel supports higher refresh are we limited to 144?

No, you are not limited to 144Hz. It is only what is currently possible in UHD, for example! When UHD 240Hz comes out, that would also work.

 

14 hours ago, anassa said:

Do you mind if I ask where these adapters are available? Do you have a link or something I can look into?

I developed these adapters myself and refined them more and more over time. The current version is the third.

 

14 hours ago, anassa said:

I think with the amazing work @Developer79 is putting in.  I will probably put the 3070 into the P750DM2, turn it into a regular work/gaming laptop and have the P870DM3 as a longer term build to see what comes up.

 

Thanks!

 

14 hours ago, anassa said:

THIS I find SUPER interesting! You are right! A full desktop 4070 would be amazing! I think if it allowed future X060 or X070 series GPUs to be installed that would be a huge win. It doesn't matter if it is 4080 or 4090, those more middle tier gpus would be good enough! I am very curious how this will work out.  Just because of this I will keep my P870DM3 just to see what will be possible.

Yes, a lot is really possible with the P870xx. In my opinion, one of the best technical prerequisites for future GPU solutions. CPU would of course also be nice n. But I am an individual developer. My financial possibilities are limited. Therefore, I can only wait until the situation improves and possibly continue.

Thanks again for the moral support. It would be nice if Clevo would refresh the motherboard of the P870xx. That would save a lot of work. But that's wishful thinking.

Thanks:-)

[Developer79]

14 hours ago, zex4 said:

Developer79 is the craziest modder I ever saw with outstanding skills....

 

I also dreaming for cpu mods for my 775dm3 with newer gen cpus...for example as you can read here...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hwcooling.net/en/recycling-in-china-laptop-cpus-turned-into-lga-1151-upgrades/%3famp=1

 

I am also using a mxm to pciex16 gpu adapter from adtlink successfully for long time now with rtx 2060 super 👌

 

What left is cpu mods let's see 😇

 

Also good luck 👍 

I'll take that as a compliment :-)
Yes, the CPU conversions are still "relatively" simple! Of course, some things have to be done, is clear.
Unfortunately, the P775xx is relatively limited in terms of space, so only the CPU MOD would work.
The new generations might also work. 13TH/14TH HX. I have checked the technical requirements as far as possible. In addition to the hardware side, the bios side would also mean a lot of work.

[anassa]

I have looked into how some people have taken the 9900k and did a -50mv and power limited it in the bios to effectively make it a better 9900t or something.  Sometime for SFF build or fanless heatsink.  I think I will experiment with seeing how it will perform if I limit it because I already have the 9900k.  Thanks!

[anassa]

On 11/8/2023 at 3:24 AM, Developer79 said:

No, you are not limited to 144Hz. It is only what is currently possible in UHD, for example! When UHD 240Hz comes out, that would also work.

 

Sure, but there are 1080p panels that are higher Hz, but I have yet to see anyone use them on the clevo.

 

Since the choice has been made to build the P750DM2 to be my "regular" use laptop.  I have been looking at a panel upgrade for it.

 

I see the LQ156D1JX01B panel (4k SHARP IGZO) one is available at ~$100 which seems pretty decent and I know will work, but what else?

• ATNA56WR07
  • EDP 40Pins AM-OLED 3840×2160 UHD Glossy 60HZ OLED
  • would that work? OLED? kind of expensive at ~$300 though

 

• B156han12.5
  • EDP 40pin IPS 360Hz 1080p matte
  • Looks to be amazing spec and refresh rate for only ~$100
  • Came from an Alienware M15 R5/6

 

Honestly I don't know 100% sure what to look for to make it compatible. I only know the following:

• 43-P7501-012-1C
  • Cable to allow for eDP (4 Lanes) , 40 pins, 3.3v input
• 15.6 panel size
• That is it? So any 15.6 panel that is eDP 40pin panel will fit or work? What am I missing?

 

Thanks all.

 

 

[Developer79]

On 11/10/2023 at 8:20 PM, anassa said:

Sure, but there are 1080p panels that are higher Hz, but I have yet to see anyone use them on the clevo.

 

Since the choice has been made to build the P750DM2 to be my "regular" use laptop.  I have been looking at a panel upgrade for it.

 

I see the LQ156D1JX01B panel (4k SHARP IGZO) one is available at ~$100 which seems pretty decent and I know will work, but what else?

• ATNA56WR07
  • EDP 40Pins AM-OLED 3840×2160 UHD Glossy 60HZ OLED
  • would that work? OLED? kind of expensive at ~$300 though

 

• B156han12.5
  • EDP 40pin IPS 360Hz 1080p matte
  • Looks to be amazing spec and refresh rate for only ~$100
  • Came from an Alienware M15 R5/6

 

Honestly I don't know 100% sure what to look for to make it compatible. I only know the following:

• 43-P7501-012-1C
  • Cable to allow for eDP (4 Lanes) , 40 pins, 3.3v input
• 15.6 panel size
• That is it? So any 15.6 panel that is eDP 40pin panel will fit or work? What am I missing?

 

Thanks all.

 

Hi,

all displays that fit into LCD housings will work!
It doesn't matter which Hz. You just have to have the right cable. Length and lanes are important. That means 4 lanes and the right length of course. UHD is possible up to 144 HZ. More is not possible in this size. I have UHD 120 HZ, which looks very cool.

I might install the UHD 144 HZ soon, we'll see.

Or rather, your question was aimed more at 15.6. There are even more options there than with the P870xx or P775xx. I once asked a manufacturer about the availability of 17.3 with OLED. The manufacturer said that there are simply more devices with 15.6 inches than 17.3 inches! Well, I think UHD 144 Maximal is very impressive and the action is really cool:-)

I hope that answers your questions.

Greetings

[anassa]

21 hours ago, Developer79 said:

Hi,

all displays that fit into LCD housings will work!
It doesn't matter which Hz. You just have to have the right cable. Length and lanes are important. That means 4 lanes and the right length of course. UHD is possible up to 144 HZ. More is not possible in this size. I have UHD 120 HZ, which looks very cool.

I might install the UHD 144 HZ soon, we'll see.

Or rather, your question was aimed more at 15.6. There are even more options there than with the P870xx or P775xx. I once asked a manufacturer about the availability of 17.3 with OLED. The manufacturer said that there are simply more devices with 15.6 inches than 17.3 inches! Well, I think UHD 144 Maximal is very impressive and the action is really cool:-)

I hope that answers your questions.

Greetings

 

 

Honestly that seems pretty amazing, there are a TON of options for 15.6" screens that are 40pin and edp.  I am surprised that I have not seen more people switch out for newer panels, especially then with OLED and higher hz panels available in newer laptops. I will have to give it a try and see what I find - eventually, can't do it anytime soon.