XMG Neo 16/17 E24

[serpro69]

This year's NEO models are available for pre-orders (4080/4090 models expected in Feb, and 4060/4070 in March).

I've never owned an XMG (or their re-branded alternatives) , but what I like about XMG particularly is their comprehensive reviews and comparisons to earlier models (you can read the one for this model here in their xmg_gg subreddit)

 

One notable difference in Neo 17 compared to E23 models is that liquid cooling pipe covers the CPU again (this was available in earlier models, but was removed in E23) when ordered with 4080/4090.

I don't get why it's not available with lower-tier GPUs. Some sales trick to make you buy hiher-spec'ed units? (I'm just speculating here as I haven't looked at it close enough, and there might also be some architectural reasons for it)

 

They're also claiming that it will be possible to retrofit the Neo 17 E23 with the E24 thermal unit and they will annouce the price and availability sometime in the future when they have the extra parts in stock.

 

It's also interesting to see performance tests compared to E23, which are barely noticeable (this isn't really suprising since we essentially have the same GPU as last year and a CPU which isn't really an "upgrade"). These numbers can also serve as an indicator of what one can expect from other manufacturers in terms of performance gains in this year's models compared to last year.

 

Neo 16 gets a completely new all-metal chassis, and unlike Neo 17, this feels more of an "upgrade" from the previous version. Just some high-level notable changes:

- redesigned heatpipe module

- new water port connectors

- new LCD panel (2560x1600 / 240Hz with up to 500 nits of brightness and NVIDIA Advanced Optimus)

- up to 205W CPU power limit thanks to more efficient water cooling in the new design

 

 

 

[MiRaGe]

I pulled the trigger and preordered NEO 17 E24 with max (4090) config and Oasis. Let see what it will be in reality in a month. 

[serpro69]

31 minutes ago, MiRaGe said:

I pilled the trigger and pre-ordered NEO 17 E24 with max config and Oasis. Let see what it will be in reality in a month. 

 

Oh nice! Please post your impressions once you get it.

IDK if I'll be able to spend 4k+ eur on a laptop now (IIRC it was slightly above 4000 on a maxed-out config w/o an SSD and /w Oasis), but I think I would probably try this model first if I was to buy a laptop this year.

 

What made you decide to go with XMG this time around?

[saturnotaku]

Despite product listings claiming that the RTX 4070 and below can run at 140W, they only do so in very select use cases. In the overwhelming majority of applications and games, they draw a maximum of 100W due to an NVIDIA-imposed voltage limit. This is not the case with the RTX 4080 and 4090, so the liquid cooler would be rather superfluous on the lower-end models. 

 

I'm pleased to see Tongfang has finally added USB-C charging support to their laptops. Not that I'll be switching back to a Windows laptop any time soon, but still cool to see nonetheless. 

[serpro69]

1 hour ago, saturnotaku said:

Despite product listings claiming that the RTX 4070 and below can run at 140W, they only do so in very select use cases. In the overwhelming majority of applications and games, they draw a maximum of 100W due to an NVIDIA-imposed voltage limit. This is not the case with the RTX 4080 and 4090, so the liquid cooler would be rather superfluous on the lower-end models.

 

I think this is the reason why they don't even have a liquid cooling option in the 4060/4070 models? But even if it's not that needed for the lower-end GPUs, it would still be nice if the option was there to cool the CPU.

 

1 hour ago, saturnotaku said:

I'm pleased to see Tongfang has finally added USB-C charging support to their laptops. Not that I'll be switching back to a Windows laptop any time soon, but still cool to see nonetheless.

 

Can always install Linux on it :) That's what I would do if I ever buy one.

They also have a "sister corp" Tuxedo , which specializes particularly on Linux support for these laptops, but the availability often lags way behind the initial releases of XMG models, and the price differences that I saw before were too much...

[MiRaGe]

On 1/19/2024 at 1:49 PM, serpro69 said:

What made you decide to go with XMG this time around?

I've always been a fan of Clevo, so it was an easy decision for me:)

[saturnotaku]

On 1/19/2024 at 9:09 AM, serpro69 said:

Can always install Linux on it 🙂 That's what I would do if I ever buy one.

They also have a "sister corp" Tuxedo , which specializes particularly on Linux support for these laptops, but the availability often lags way behind the initial releases of XMG models, and the price differences that I saw before were too much...

 

I'd rather shave with a cheese grater, but you do you.

[serpro69]

4 hours ago, MiRaGe said:

I've always been a fan of Clevo, so it was an easy decision for me:)

 

Yeah, I saw Clevo in your signature :) They are used to be good laptops from what I read.
But I thought Clevo and TongFang (which is the original manufacturer of laptops on which XMG Neo / Eluktronics Mech series are based) were kind of different manufacturers, aren't they?

From what I could find, both are OEM/ODM, so I don't think that Clevo is a re-brand of TongFang or vise-versa. Unlike XMG Neo, which is, in essence, a re-brand of TongFang, and has nothing to do with Clevo per se.

Clevo is also a Taiwanese company, and TongFang is Chinese (based in HK?), from what I remember.

 

  

3 hours ago, saturnotaku said:

I'd rather shave with a cheese grater, but you do you.

 

At first I read "I'd rather shave a cheese grater" and was trying to picture that somehow  Well, I guess your version isn't much more pleasant.

 

Have you had poor experience with Linux, Linux on XMG, or ?

[FTW_260]

On 1/19/2024 at 3:17 PM, MiRaGe said:

preordered NEO 17 E24 with max (4090) config and Oasis

Hi, friend! I've been on GM6PX8 (Neo E23) + Prema mod for several months now. (as in signature)
After x170 this is a real challenge in terms of temperatures and noise.((

[serpro69]

18 hours ago, FTW_260 said:

Hi, friend! I've been on GM6PX8 (Neo E23) + Prema mod for several months now. (as in signature)
After x170 this is a real challenge in terms of temperatures and noise.((

 

A challenge? Is that a typo and you meant "a change", or are you actually seeing worse temps than on x170? 

 

 

PS: we have a dedicated thread for the E23 where you can share your impressions of this model:

 

 

[FTW_260]

22 hours ago, serpro69 said:

A challenge?

Yes, a challenge.
My 170 had a custom liquid cooled heatsink with an external block with a 360mm radiator. I could easily cool 250W from the 2080S (shunt moded) and 180+ from the 10900K@5Ghz without any problems or noise.
In the case of the GM6PX8, we are trapped - there is very little room for modifications.
In addition, the side radiators are made of aluminum instead of copper, which is a terrible savings.
Thin fans make an annoying sound at maximum speed.
The water cooling loop only works on the GPU, the CPU is practically left without additional cooling.
At the moment I am in the process of selecting the maximum UV values, overclocking the RAM, and am really looking forward to the opportunity to purchase a new heatsink from the 2024 model.

[serpro69]

1 hour ago, FTW_260 said:

At the moment I am in the process of selecting the maximum UV values, overclocking the RAM, and am really looking forward to the opportunity to purchase a new heatsink from the 2024 model.

 

The GM6PX8, is that a 17" model? According to XMG, only 17" will have support for retrofitting newer heatsinks from E24.
I'm also interested to see the what the differences will be after such an upgrade, which XMG promised to provide once they have spare heatsinks.

[FTW_260]

18 minutes ago, serpro69 said:

The GM6PX8, is that a 17" model?

Nope, that a 16' model.

I saw information that the 16" 2023 model is not suitable for upgrading to the new 2024 heatsink, but I'll try anyway.)

[MiRaGe]

On 1/28/2024 at 3:31 PM, FTW_260 said:

Nope, that a 16' model.

I saw information that the 16" 2023 model is not suitable for upgrading to the new 2024 heatsink, but I'll try anyway.)

Just got it! An amazing beast! 60C GPU and 72C CPU 14900HX under heavy gaming , both CPU and GPU intensive, with Ooasis connected. The new cooling system , covering both CPU and GPU is unbeliavable

[FTW_260]

24 minutes ago, MiRaGe said:

60C GPU and 72C CPU

Cool, can you do a double stress test with Aida64 and Furmark? It's very interesting to see the result.

[MiRaGe]

Once I am done with all the setups, I will:)

[MiRaGe]

Just a quick TimeSpy:

 

[MiRaGe]

RAM OCed at 6400/CL40:

 

 

Cinebench R23 10 Min. Test throttling:

 

 

Edit:

 

24K graphics achieved☺️:

 

 

 

 

[MiRaGe]

After all UV , tests for stability etc..

CPU - -100/-100/-90/-40 UV

GPU - +285/850 OC

RAM - 6600/CL38 +0.05V (1.15V)

 

 

 

First result is single bench, second one - 30 Min. throttling test.

 

 

 

 

 

[MiRaGe]

6th in the world with this combo (14900HX/4090) and first for the CPU scores😄

RAM@6600/CL32-39-39@1.35V

 

 

 

 

[FTW_260]

On 2/8/2024 at 11:34 PM, FTW_260 said:

double stress test with Aida64 and Furmark

pls

[MiRaGe]

How long as a time do I need to run those stress tests? 
I do really avoid to put this much stressing to my laptop, especially with Furmark…☺️

which settings on both of them do you want me to set?

[FTW_260]

1 hour ago, MiRaGe said:

How long as a time

10 minutes is more than enough to understand how good (or bad) everything is.

1 hour ago, MiRaGe said:

which settings on both of them do you want me to set?

AIDA: Stress CPU+FPU+Cache
Furmark: standart GPU Stress Test Button
The only limiter in such a situation can only be the power supply)

[MiRaGe]

2 hours ago, FTW_260 said:

10 minutes is more than enough to understand how good (or bad) everything is.

AIDA: Stress CPU+FPU+Cache
Furmark: standart GPU Stress Test Button
The only limiter in such a situation can only be the power supply)

Here you are:

65C CPU and 60C GPU

[MiRaGe]

Is it good in your opinion?