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New Win 11 installation, new CPU power!

 

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I don‘t think I can do better…:

 

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XMG Neo 17 (E24)  | 14900HX | 32GB (2X16) Corsair Vengeance DDR5@6600 CL30 | RTX4090 (+285/900) | QHD @240Hz G-Sync | 2x2TB Samsung 990 PRO | Killer WiFi 1675i | Oasis MK2 WC | Win 11 Home - TimeSpy

 

Clevo X170KM-G | 11700KF | 64GB (4x16) Crucial Ballistix DDR4@3066 CL14 | RTX3080 (+220/1650) | QHD @165Hz G-Sync | 1TB WD SN850X | Intel AX200 WiFi | Win 11 Pro - TimeSpy

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Hi all

 

Thank you for posting your feedback and findings, greatly appreciated!

 

First time I will be buying a gaming laptop after working on a 3770k system for many years

 

Based in Europe, Xmg feels like the best option out there right now

 

I was gonna pull the trigger on the bigger Neo 17, but given that the 16 gets a  "better" upgrade I decided to go with it instead.

 

I will be using an external monitor most of the time, without much movement of the laptop.

 

Looking forward ordering when its available!

 

Good luck to all!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Here is a video review / contrast Eluktronics posted of the MSI Titan 18 with the new Hydroc 16 (same as the Neo 16 E24 I believe):

 

 

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Desktop - 12900KS, 32GB DDR5-6400 C32, 2TB WD SN850, Windows 10 Pro 22H2

Clevo X170SM - 10900K, 32GB DDR4-2933 CL17, 4TB WD SN850X, RTX 3080 mobile, 17.3 inch FHD 144hz, System76 open source firmware, Windows 10 Pro 22H2

Clevo X370SNW - 13900HX, 32GB DDR5-5600 CL40, 4TB Samsung 990 Pro, RTX 4090 mobile, 17.3 inch FHD 144hz, System76 open source firmware, Windows 10 Pro 22H2

Lenovo Thinkpad P16 G2 - 13950HX, 64GB DDR5-4000 CL32, 2TB Kioxia SSD, RTX 4090 mobile 130W, 16 inch FHD+ 60hz, Windows 10 Pro 22H2

MSI Raider 18 A7V - 7945HX3D, 32GB DDR5-5200, 1TB PM9A1, RTX 4090 mobile 175W, 18 inch QHD+ 240hz, Windows 10 Pro 22H2

Precision 7670 - 12950HX, 32GB DDR5-4800 CAMM, 1TB SSD, RTX 3080Ti mobile 100W, 16 inch WUXGA 60hz, Windows 10 Pro 22H2

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9 hours ago, nikoskom said:

I was gonna pull the trigger on the bigger Neo 17, but given that the 16 gets a  "better" upgrade I decided to go with it instead.

 

We've yet to find out if it's better :) But it certainly feels like an upgrade rather than a refresh.

I'd probably go with 16" as well, if I ever decide to pull the trigger on it.

 

A couple weeks ago I saw pcspecialist had ETA on "their" 16" model at the end of March (now it's actually nowhere to be found on the website), so we probably don't have that much waiting left.

GitHub

 

Currently and formerly owned laptops (specs below):

Serenity                    -> Dell Precision 5560
N-1                             -> Dell Precision 5560 (my lady's)

Razor Crest              -> Lenovo ThinkPad P16 (work)
Millenium Falcon    -> Dell Precision 5530 (work)
Axiom                        -> Lenovo ThinkPad P52 (work)
Moldy Crow             -> Dell XPS 15 9550

 

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Senenity / N-1: Dell Precision 5560
    i7-11800H CPU
    1x32 GB DDR4 2,666 MHz
    512 GB SSD
    NVIDIA T1200
    FHD+ 1920x1200
    PopOS 22.04

 

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On 3/9/2024 at 2:57 PM, win32asmguy said:

Here is a video review / contrast Eluktronics posted of the MSI Titan 18 with the new Hydroc 16 (same as the Neo 16 E24 I believe):

 

 

 

They also have the Prema bios which will help some.

The MSI is performing a lot worse than some of the ones on 3Dmark.com but it is pretty clear that lower memory speeds will always hold it back to a degree - that is the price of having a memory architecture that allows up to 192GB memory.

 

I would like to see MSI or other manufacturers try their hand at liquid cooling as Uniwill / Tongfang with their two memory and two SSD slots and only up to 17" just don't do it for me although their performance obviously is very impressive.

 

OK so I have seen the whole thing now and the MSI results strike me as rather subpar compared to what I have seen elsewhere.

 

Still it is obvious that the water cooling will allow much better performance at moderate noise levels and in a stationary setup this should be the way to go. I just would not want to lug a water cooling solution around on the go so it would have been cool to also find out about the performance without the water cooling.

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36K CB r23 broken😊

 

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XMG Neo 17 (E24)  | 14900HX | 32GB (2X16) Corsair Vengeance DDR5@6600 CL30 | RTX4090 (+285/900) | QHD @240Hz G-Sync | 2x2TB Samsung 990 PRO | Killer WiFi 1675i | Oasis MK2 WC | Win 11 Home - TimeSpy

 

Clevo X170KM-G | 11700KF | 64GB (4x16) Crucial Ballistix DDR4@3066 CL14 | RTX3080 (+220/1650) | QHD @165Hz G-Sync | 1TB WD SN850X | Intel AX200 WiFi | Win 11 Pro - TimeSpy

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I'm running the PCspecialist variant of this laptop, 13900hx & 4090.

Can anyone explain how to set up raid, I have two x 2tb 990 pro that I want to put in raid 0 for shits and giggles but can't work out how to.

Thanks.

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On 3/8/2024 at 12:24 PM, MiRaGe said:

New Win 11 installation, new CPU power!

 

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Hi,

 

What RAM are you running and what settings are you using to get it to CL30?

 

Thanks.

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9 hours ago, MiSJAH said:

I'm running the PCspecialist variant of this laptop, 13900hx & 4090.

 

Hey, welcome to the forums!

How do you like it so far? I've read that they're very comparable in assembly quality with xmg, but cost considerably less.

GitHub

 

Currently and formerly owned laptops (specs below):

Serenity                    -> Dell Precision 5560
N-1                             -> Dell Precision 5560 (my lady's)

Razor Crest              -> Lenovo ThinkPad P16 (work)
Millenium Falcon    -> Dell Precision 5530 (work)
Axiom                        -> Lenovo ThinkPad P52 (work)
Moldy Crow             -> Dell XPS 15 9550

 

Spoiler

Senenity / N-1: Dell Precision 5560
    i7-11800H CPU
    1x32 GB DDR4 2,666 MHz
    512 GB SSD
    NVIDIA T1200
    FHD+ 1920x1200
    PopOS 22.04

 

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On 3/20/2024 at 8:40 AM, MiSJAH said:

Hi,

 

What RAM are you running and what settings are you using to get it to CL30?

 

Thanks.

Here are my bios memory timings and voltages. 
the RAMs are Corsair Vengeance 2x16 5600 CL48

 

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XMG Neo 17 (E24)  | 14900HX | 32GB (2X16) Corsair Vengeance DDR5@6600 CL30 | RTX4090 (+285/900) | QHD @240Hz G-Sync | 2x2TB Samsung 990 PRO | Killer WiFi 1675i | Oasis MK2 WC | Win 11 Home - TimeSpy

 

Clevo X170KM-G | 11700KF | 64GB (4x16) Crucial Ballistix DDR4@3066 CL14 | RTX3080 (+220/1650) | QHD @165Hz G-Sync | 1TB WD SN850X | Intel AX200 WiFi | Win 11 Pro - TimeSpy

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On 3/5/2024 at 5:34 AM, FTW_260 said:

Yes, its a binned A-Die from HyperX Kit: KF564S38IBK2-32

I'll send you the timings a little later when I get to the laptop.

Hi, can you upload your timings for 6800 again please 🙏🏻

XMG Neo 17 (E24)  | 14900HX | 32GB (2X16) Corsair Vengeance DDR5@6600 CL30 | RTX4090 (+285/900) | QHD @240Hz G-Sync | 2x2TB Samsung 990 PRO | Killer WiFi 1675i | Oasis MK2 WC | Win 11 Home - TimeSpy

 

Clevo X170KM-G | 11700KF | 64GB (4x16) Crucial Ballistix DDR4@3066 CL14 | RTX3080 (+220/1650) | QHD @165Hz G-Sync | 1TB WD SN850X | Intel AX200 WiFi | Win 11 Pro - TimeSpy

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New results , DDR5-5600@7000 CL32-42-42-65

 

 

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XMG Neo 17 (E24)  | 14900HX | 32GB (2X16) Corsair Vengeance DDR5@6600 CL30 | RTX4090 (+285/900) | QHD @240Hz G-Sync | 2x2TB Samsung 990 PRO | Killer WiFi 1675i | Oasis MK2 WC | Win 11 Home - TimeSpy

 

Clevo X170KM-G | 11700KF | 64GB (4x16) Crucial Ballistix DDR4@3066 CL14 | RTX3080 (+220/1650) | QHD @165Hz G-Sync | 1TB WD SN850X | Intel AX200 WiFi | Win 11 Pro - TimeSpy

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On 3/20/2024 at 7:49 PM, serpro69 said:

 

Hey, welcome to the forums!

How do you like it so far? I've read that they're very comparable in assembly quality with xmg, but cost considerably less.

I have used the 13900hx/4090 variant for over a year, and I must say I was impressed. They are very comparable in every aspect, you can even use xmg bios in their machines (it does not void your warranty to do so), they're that similar. Although they are not the same, i.e. they do not have advanced optimus and the memory/ssd options are subpar. To my surprise, they also have quite good after-sales support, as I was able to replace my machine due to a small issue even after a year of purchase, and they made it quite easy to do so.

 

Considering the price difference, pcspecialist is the better option imo.

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Neo16 is announced and available for pre-orders : https://www.xmg.gg/en/xmg-neo-16-e24/

GitHub

 

Currently and formerly owned laptops (specs below):

Serenity                    -> Dell Precision 5560
N-1                             -> Dell Precision 5560 (my lady's)

Razor Crest              -> Lenovo ThinkPad P16 (work)
Millenium Falcon    -> Dell Precision 5530 (work)
Axiom                        -> Lenovo ThinkPad P52 (work)
Moldy Crow             -> Dell XPS 15 9550

 

Spoiler

Senenity / N-1: Dell Precision 5560
    i7-11800H CPU
    1x32 GB DDR4 2,666 MHz
    512 GB SSD
    NVIDIA T1200
    FHD+ 1920x1200
    PopOS 22.04

 

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17 hours ago, MiSJAH said:


What are your CPU and RAM settings to get this score?

My CPU score is way behind yours - https://www.3dmark.com/spy/38287578

My RAM is shown in the signature, CPU is undervolted AC-60/DC-0, P-core/E-core/Ring: -65

XMG Neo 17 (E24)  | 14900HX | 32GB (2X16) Corsair Vengeance DDR5@6600 CL30 | RTX4090 (+285/900) | QHD @240Hz G-Sync | 2x2TB Samsung 990 PRO | Killer WiFi 1675i | Oasis MK2 WC | Win 11 Home - TimeSpy

 

Clevo X170KM-G | 11700KF | 64GB (4x16) Crucial Ballistix DDR4@3066 CL14 | RTX3080 (+220/1650) | QHD @165Hz G-Sync | 1TB WD SN850X | Intel AX200 WiFi | Win 11 Pro - TimeSpy

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On 9/1/2024 at 4:41 PM, MiRaGe said:

My RAM is shown in the signature, CPU is undervolted AC-60/DC-0, P-core/E-core/Ring: -65

Can you details BIOS settings tò let RAM work at 6600mh CL30? Max i ha e Is Kingston 6400mhz CL38, can you shared the exact module of Corsair?

 

Also, id you do this:

XMG Neo 16 E24 14900HX RTX 4090 Mobile

CPU 200W

Respread LM

UV -140/-100/-100/-25

AC/DC Loadline most aggressive

RAM 6400MHz CL36 2x32GB DDR5 Kingston or Corsair 6600MHz CL30

SSD 2x Samsung 990 Pro 4TB

dGPU only

Overboost

Oasis MK2 

GPU +300/+1000 MSI AB

Shunt mod GPU 250W

 

Can you obtain

 

Cinebench R23 36.000

3DMark Time Spy 26.000 General 26.500 Graphics 25.000 CPU

 

??

 

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How can I set rams above 6400? I have set your timings for CL30 voltage 1400 and it works but I have 6400mhz because it show only that frequency in the choices of custom profile, how can I set to 6600 or 7000? Also memory voltage in the first page is 1150 and it works, the one that you changed to 1400 is in the second page of custom timings. Can you explain exactly how to set 6600 and 7000? Which memory voltage and how custom frequency?

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On 9/28/2024 at 4:22 PM, miklaus said:

Shunt mod GPU 250W

Is there any information somewhere on how to make a shunt mod for the GPU on the Neo 16/17 platform?

TongFang GM6PX8X | 13900HX | 32Gb@6600Mhz C32 | RTX4080 | QHD @240Hz | PM9A1 1Tb | PREMA MOD | Custom 360mm AIO Liquid System |

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On 10/1/2024 at 9:10 AM, miklaus said:

How can I set rams above 6400? I have set your timings for CL30 voltage 1400 and it works but I have 6400mhz because it show only that frequency in the choices of custom profile, how can I set to 6600 or 7000? Also memory voltage in the first page is 1150 and it works, the one that you changed to 1400 is in the second page of custom timings. Can you explain exactly how to set 6600 and 7000? Which memory voltage and how custom frequency?

I’ll send you a screenshot of my bios settings tomorrow👍🏻

XMG Neo 17 (E24)  | 14900HX | 32GB (2X16) Corsair Vengeance DDR5@6600 CL30 | RTX4090 (+285/900) | QHD @240Hz G-Sync | 2x2TB Samsung 990 PRO | Killer WiFi 1675i | Oasis MK2 WC | Win 11 Home - TimeSpy

 

Clevo X170KM-G | 11700KF | 64GB (4x16) Crucial Ballistix DDR4@3066 CL14 | RTX3080 (+220/1650) | QHD @165Hz G-Sync | 1TB WD SN850X | Intel AX200 WiFi | Win 11 Pro - TimeSpy

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XMG Neo 17 (E24)  | 14900HX | 32GB (2X16) Corsair Vengeance DDR5@6600 CL30 | RTX4090 (+285/900) | QHD @240Hz G-Sync | 2x2TB Samsung 990 PRO | Killer WiFi 1675i | Oasis MK2 WC | Win 11 Home - TimeSpy

 

Clevo X170KM-G | 11700KF | 64GB (4x16) Crucial Ballistix DDR4@3066 CL14 | RTX3080 (+220/1650) | QHD @165Hz G-Sync | 1TB WD SN850X | Intel AX200 WiFi | Win 11 Pro - TimeSpy

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