Intel 13th and 14th degredation issues

[nforce4max]

This has been the news for a few days however no one has made any mention so here goes.

 

 

[raptorddd]

more bad news for intel. i hope they regain the crown of best processors. 

anyways i would choose intel than amd.

 

[nforce4max]

 

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[raptorddd]

not looking for intel. so much cuts to save some money.

hey at @Mr. Fox your name appears on the first video 😁

[kojack]

Holy crap, steve likes to talk.  I can't watch his videos. just rambling on without punctuation or cadence.  blah blah blah.  He needs to up his delivery game.  Slow down, take a breath and relax a bit.  The bigger story is how intel cleaned house and laid off 15,000 people to "save money".  That's what pisses me off, not a design flaw in a chip that will be RMA'ed if you have a failure. Those 15,000 people will not be RMA'ed and their livelihoods saved. 

[nforce4max]

7 hours ago, kojack said:

Holy crap, steve likes to talk.  I can't watch his videos. just rambling on without punctuation or cadence.  blah blah blah.  He needs to up his delivery game.  Slow down, take a breath and relax a bit.  The bigger story is how intel cleaned house and laid off 15,000 people to "save money".  That's what pisses me off, not a design flaw in a chip that will be RMA'ed if you have a failure. Those 15,000 people will not be RMA'ed and their livelihoods saved. 

One thing that will never change is that some personalities mainly sociopaths and psychopaths have zero empathy nor concern for the well being of others hence the massive layoffs as if were nothing. They only care about money and status nothing else.

[raptorddd]

15 hours ago, kojack said:

Holy crap, steve likes to talk.  I can't watch his videos. just rambling on without punctuation or cadence.  blah blah blah.  He needs to up his delivery game.  Slow down, take a breath and relax a bit.  The bigger story is how intel cleaned house and laid off 15,000 people to "save money".  That's what pisses me off, not a design flaw in a chip that will be RMA'ed if you have a failure. Those 15,000 people will not be RMA'ed and their livelihoods saved. 

if he talked that fast video would be over an hour long. maybe he could it make a  part video.

mores law says layoff is because or how much money the company brings in and how many employees he mentioned amd has less employes and more income.

 

[nforce4max]

There is a segment mentioning the issue affects laptops.

 

 

[Papusan]

Intel's patch for CPU instability and crashing issues rolls out...

 

Intel details microcode update that addresses instability and crashing errors — claims patch has negligible performance impacts, future processors not impacted
 

[kojack]

I am not a fan of intel's business practices right now, but I love how everyone piles on if they have the slightest issue with a chip, meanwhile, looking back through the threads, NOBODY piled on AMD for having burning chips last year with their 7000 series.  Why is that I wonder?

 

AMD Ryzen 7000 Overheating Issues: Culprit Found in EXPO & SoC Voltages (update) (guru3d.com)

[saturnotaku]

I present the following without comment.

 

 

[raptorddd]

On 8/12/2024 at 3:11 AM, kojack said:

I am not a fan of intel's business practices right now, but I love how everyone piles on if they have the slightest issue with a chip, meanwhile, looking back through the threads, NOBODY piled on AMD for having burning chips last year with their 7000 series.  Why is that I wonder?

 

AMD Ryzen 7000 Overheating Issues: Culprit Found in EXPO & SoC Voltages (update) (guru3d.com)

was the number high as intel.s.? are some you tubers and websites sponsored.? maybe harcore fans to the brand.?

[Mr. Fox]

On 8/12/2024 at 3:11 AM, kojack said:

I am not a fan of intel's business practices right now, but I love how everyone piles on if they have the slightest issue with a chip, meanwhile, looking back through the threads, NOBODY piled on AMD for having burning chips last year with their 7000 series.  Why is that I wonder?

 

AMD Ryzen 7000 Overheating Issues: Culprit Found in EXPO & SoC Voltages (update) (guru3d.com)

 

20 hours ago, raptorddd said:

was the number high as intel.s.? are some you tubers and websites sponsored.? maybe harcore fans to the brand.?

The reasons is fanbois (which does not include everyone) never speak badly about their brand cult. Their love of inanimate objects is unconditional, but they sure don't have any problem joining the posse on a mission to smear their favored brand's competitors or those that dare prefer something different than them. I never noticed anyone that preferred Intel trolling AMD forums, ridiculing the AMD brand and those that prefer it, demonstrating glee or rejoicing over AMD's failures. 

 

According to at least one highly respected system builder (Puget) the current rate of CPU failure on Intel systems, while higher than normal for Intel, is still about half that of the AMD CPUs in the systems they build. While that has been publicly announced, it is not convenient for the social media influencer muppets to report that because it undermines their agenda.

 

Large companies seldom consider the impact on employees when they cut staff to save money. It is unfortunate and wrong, but it's not something out of the ordinary or a rare sin Intel is committing. This happens frequently, but seldom gets talked about unless there is already some kind of media buzz going on and it provides additional sauce for their juicy story. Big insurance companies are one of the more common offenders, like Progressive, Allstate and others. Employees are considered expendable to big companies that only care about profits and shareholder interests. In the service sector (like insurance) those let go first are often the smartest and most experienced because they are paid the most and it is cheaper to keep the noobs that don't know what they are doing. They go from being noobs to overworked and underpaid noobs with the company "doing more with less" to maximize profit.

[raptorddd]

it  seems to me that they all want is for intel to fail and go bankrupt. out of business

i have 0 knowledge. i do know about intel pentium 2 and 4 i knew they were good thats all. but i now see that amd has surpassed intel.

and now lately it seems that they have struggled. i asked myself why is intel behind. i did found a video or a website with information why.

am not sure if its correct but what i understood was that intel has stayed on an older lithography while tsmc was newer lithography.

just as of now intel will go high NA EUV while it seems tsmc will not jump to this new lithography. not sure if they are acquiring that technology or not.

 

i watch mores law is dead and it seems they enjoy intel' s facing problems. even though he just say he wants intel to do good as competition is good for consumers.

this guy also talks bad about intel i kind of hate this guy stacy rasgon.

 

well am a fanboy i rather have a hotter and slower cpu than an amd.

[Mr. Fox]

7 hours ago, raptorddd said:

it  seems to me that they all want is for intel to fail and go bankrupt. out of business

Yes, and that is an extremely stupid and misinformed approach for those fanbois to be taking. If that were to happen, AMD would lower the bar for itself because it would no longer need to compete. It would ruin things for all consumers.

 

Although, I do not agree that AMD has surpassed Intel. I still view their products as inferior. There will be times when one brand leapfrogs another in terms of winning benchmarks. As long as Intel is not permanently damaged by the media smear campaign they will not stand for second place. Winning means too much to them. The notion of AMD beating them at something seems to not set well with them as a company. That is one reason I prefer them. It is also one reason why Intel's lower quality silicon samples are committing hara kiri. They're pushing things harder to win. In contrast, AMD seems to be equally content participating in a race as they are with winning a race. We already see examples of them not feeling compelled to push themselves harder. Imagine if they no longer needed to compete. Prices would be higher and quality/performance would be lower.

 

At the end of the day they are both giant companies that will do shady things to one other, to their employees, and to the people that buy their products. Profits matter more than people.

[kojack]

5 hours ago, raptorddd said:

it  seems to me that they all want is for intel to fail and go bankrupt. out of business

i have 0 knowledge. i do know about intel pentium 2 and 4 i knew they were good thats all. but i now see that amd has surpassed intel.

and now lately it seems that they have struggled. i asked myself why is intel behind. i did found a video or a website with information why.

am not sure if its correct but what i understood was that intel has stayed on an older lithography while tsmc was newer lithography.

just as of now intel will go high NA EUV while it seems tsmc will not jump to this new lithography. not sure if they are acquiring that technology or not.

 

i watch mores law is dead and it seems they enjoy intel' s facing problems. even though he just say he wants intel to do good as competition is good for consumers.

this guy also talks bad about intel i kind of hate this guy stacy rasgon.

 

well am a fanboy i rather have a hotter and slower cpu than an amd.

Intel's 14th gen chips are much faster than AMDs for creative work, by a large margin too. The 14th gen i9 is faster than that threadrippers for video and photo work. 

[nforce4max]

Not sure what is going on at AMD but Ryzen 5 has more or less flopped and there are ridiculous performance issues vs prior generations.

 

 

 

[Papusan]

@Mr. Fox AMD's Skylake moment. Intels's 14nm ++++ all over again. Is that what we call a progress bro @jaybee83? Newer has to be better @ryan Or only newer? AMD is now the brand in front that milking their customers. 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

@Mr. Fox AMD's Skylake moment. Intels's 14nm ++++ all over again. Is that what we call a progress bro @jaybee83? Newer has to be better @ryan Or only newer? AMD is now the brand in front that milking their customers. 

 

Well, there is a difference. Every new Skylake CPU was better and faster than the one it replaced. Intel was stuck in a rut but still managed to raise the bar with each '+' that got added. I liked them all. Those that complained were mostly AMD fanboys grappling for a reason to cast stones at the brand that was doing better. I do not remember anyone that preferred Intel losing any sleep over it. I know I didn't.

[kojack]

9 hours ago, nforce4max said:

Not sure what is going on at AMD but Ryzen 5 has more or less flopped and there are ridiculous performance issues vs prior generations.

 

 

 

 

 

I guess ole Steve the AMD fanboy is eating a bit of crow here now.  At least 80 percent of his videos crap on intel, however, time and time again intel is faster. I am not an intel fanboy, but I like using the fastest processors for my work. 

[nforce4max]

 

[kojack]

30 minutes ago, nforce4max said:

 

bah ha ha ha. AMD,  56% better in blender.  NOPE. Not a chance!  They are saying these new chips destroy the threadrippers?  ha ha. sure.  Threadripper for multicore processes are beasts, however, in most software packages the i9 14900k is more performant than the 64core TR7980x.  No way this failure of a processor is better than the TR series. 

[jaybee83]

12 hours ago, Papusan said:

@Mr. Fox AMD's Skylake moment. Intels's 14nm ++++ all over again. Is that what we call a progress bro @jaybee83? Newer has to be better @ryan Or only newer? AMD is now the brand in front that milking their customers. 

 

welp, as mentioned in the other thread, with crappy firmware/microcode/core parking any cpu would be crippled, no surprise there. otherwise, why would linux show such perf gains for zen 5, even in games? same for some reviewers i.e. toms hardware (not talking about avx512 apps but also gaming. 1% at HUB vs. 8% is a huge margin of error!).

 

AMD couldve just waited another month to sort stuff out before release. i mean, with intel cpus basically all breaking down, what have they got to lose? this is a total mess left and right...