Update about 2022 CLEVO laptops

[qadhi79]

Another NBR refugee here.

 

CLEVO 2022 PD50/PD70, NP60, V15/V17

https://www.clevo.com.tw/ces_2022/index.html

 

Found PD50 and PD70 listed on XoticPC but with incomplete specifications which are mostly marked as TBD

 

Not much details on CLEVO website other than the short video introduction.

 

Anyone with more details about specifications and availability?

 

[Reciever]

This is the first of anything 2022 that I had seen.

[runix18]

So just like that ends the true Clevo DTR platforms X170 being the last one. Everything else from now on will be BGA junk. 

 

[solidus1983]

6 minutes ago, runix18 said:

So just like that ends the true Clevo DTR platforms X170 being the last one. Everything else from now on will be BGA junk. 

 

 

It looks it, at the same time they are missing a trick. Yes Intel might have killed support with MXM on Alderlake however many people would snap up the chance for a Socketed AMD system with an MXM GPU.

[runix18]

1 hour ago, solidus1983 said:

 

It looks it, at the same time they are missing a trick. Yes Intel might have killed support with MXM on Alderlake however many people would snap up the chance for a Socketed AMD system with an MXM GPU.

Will go for an AMD system with MXM but they did not produce something like that.

A 17.3 socketed AMD CPU with MXM was my dream since like forever.

[solidus1983]

1 hour ago, runix18 said:

Will go for an AMD system with MXM but they did not produce something like that.

A 17.3 socketed AMD CPU with MXM was my dream since like forever.

 

We can only dream right

[runix18]

31 minutes ago, solidus1983 said:

 

We can only dream right

Unfortunately will be only a dream.

[Reciever]

It holds more merit to have an AM5 socket machine, especially if you dont have to constantly redesign the board for a minor update.

[KabyZen]

13 hours ago, runix18 said:

Will go for an AMD system with MXM but they did not produce something like that.

A 17.3 socketed AMD CPU with MXM was my dream since like forever.

Probably wouldn't even have to mod the cooling system with one of those...

[Reciever]

@deksman2

 

How wells does the 2700 run in your helios 500?

[Blacky]

I don't care what CPU they put in as long as it has socketable CPU, MXM GPU and under 4kg weight.

[runix18]

1 hour ago, Blacky said:

I don't care what CPU they put in as long as it has socketable CPU, MXM GPU and under 4kg weight.

I don't care about the weight, free exercise🤣

[duskw4lker]

44 minutes ago, runix18 said:

I don't care about the weight, free exercise🤣

 

Imho weight is the root of the problem. Why the hell manufacturers want to fight Thermodynamics by making these Mexican tortillas of laptops expecting them to dissipate 300w or more of heat generation???

[electrosoft]

I would be absolutely fine with an AMD DTR system. Give me a 5950x or even an upcoming 5800X3D option. Even a 6000 series would be fine.

 

 

[Reciever]

20 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

I would be absolutely fine with an AMD DTR system. Give me a 5950x or even an upcoming 5800X3D option. Even a 7000 series would be fine.

 

 

I dont have the money for that kind of system but would relish the opportunity to claim one as my own.

 

5800X3D on DDR4 or 5 (dont care) 

Freesync panel

USB4 

Rear I/O

 

 

[solidus1983]

On 2/23/2022 at 6:59 PM, Reciever said:

It holds more merit to have an AM5 socket machine, especially if you dont have to constantly redesign the board for a minor update.

 

Yep Intel your lucky to get two upgrades per socket, AM4 has been a champ. I would expect AM5 to be the same too so it would make more sense to use AMD Socketed CPU's from a tooling stand point. We know it can be done as there are laptops out with Socketed AMD chips in them but then they fore go the MXM which is utter madness.

[Blacky]

On 2/24/2022 at 3:38 PM, duskw4lker said:

 

Imho weight is the root of the problem. Why the hell manufacturers want to fight Thermodynamics by making these Mexican tortillas of laptops expecting them to dissipate 300w or more of heat generation???

I don't want 300W of power. Put whatever components fit the thermal budget, that's fine. Just make them socketable. 75W GPU + 55W CPU is fine for me, I have a desktop for anything more powerful.

[ssj92]

On 2/23/2022 at 1:17 AM, solidus1983 said:

 

It looks it, at the same time they are missing a trick. Yes Intel might have killed support with MXM on Alderlake however many people would snap up the chance for a Socketed AMD system with an MXM GPU.

Wait how did intel kill MXM with alder lake? MXM is just PCIe so as long as the machine is either hooked up to the dGPU directly to the display or if there's a intel iGPU there should be Optimus support. 

[solidus1983]

3 hours ago, ssj92 said:

Wait how did intel kill MXM with alder lake? MXM is just PCIe so as long as the machine is either hooked up to the dGPU directly to the display or if there's a intel iGPU there should be Optimus support. 

 

Direct Quote from XMG

"This is due to a lack of future support for the MXM form factor"

 

[ssj92]

On 2/27/2022 at 4:04 PM, solidus1983 said:

 

Direct Quote from XMG

"This is due to a lack of future support for the MXM form factor"

 

Oh I've seen this. It's not because alder lake doesn't support MXM. It's because support for MXM in general is pretty much dead. Only a few companies providing nVidia Quadro MXM cards support it at this point. 

 

No idea how much longer that will go on but we got new Quadro Ampere based cards coming soon. Probably useless for X170 owners since they got 3080/3070 MXM cards already anyways. 

 

Seems every company has pretty much stopped making DTRs. Looks like X170 & Area-51m R2 were the last DTRs. I still plan to upgrade my M18xR2 to Quadro A4500 (RTX 3070) when they're released this year. Quadro MXM may be the only options for current users of DTRs. 

[bennyg]

ugh. Horrible news
I guess with the silly prices of new cards in general the DTR niche and aftermarket MXM mod scene is deader than ever. I'd risk maybe $1k on a 3080 MXM to see if it worked with the possibility of getting most of it back if it didn't

At least we have eGPU as a fallback and we just have to hope we can hack the power limits on CPUs to keep them interesting for those of us with exotic cooling methods
(Speaking of which, I'm fixing up my watercooled P870DM3 at the moment, I better be super careful)

[Reciever]

I would still be interested in a 13" laptop with an unlocked CPU and USB4. eGPU is great but companies tend to favor profits over actually delivering something truly useful.

 

That all being said 3080 may be the last card I get for my frankenstein laptop.

[Maxware79]

19 hours ago, ssj92 said:

Oh I've seen this. It's not because alder lake doesn't support MXM. It's because support for MXM in general is pretty much dead. Only a few companies providing nVidia Quadro MXM cards support it at this point. 

 

No idea how much longer that will go on but we got new Quadro Ampere based cards coming soon. Probably useless for X170 owners since they got 3080/3070 MXM cards already anyways. 

 

Seems every company has pretty much stopped making DTRs. Looks like X170 & Area-51m R2 were the last DTRs. I still plan to upgrade my M18xR2 to Quadro A4500 (RTX 3070) when they're released this year. Quadro MXM may be the only options for current users of DTRs. 

 I live vicariously through your R2 upgrades, can't wait for the A4500!. Definitely not in my budget these days. 

If I did have a spare $1500 I'd probably buy a new set of golf clubs. 

[iieeann]

Why so miserable only two m.2 slots, why?  Others are ok.

[Bidelloman]

On 2/23/2022 at 10:09 AM, runix18 said:

So just like that ends the true Clevo DTR platforms X170 being the last one. Everything else from now on will be BGA junk. 

 

https://hothardware.com/news/clevo-x270-laptop-arc-a770m-gpu-breaks-cover

 

oh well, will still remain a proud owner of the x170 I guess, I am not that hopeful on this next iteration