Can I get an MXM card newer than GTX1070? if so where?

[cdoublejj]

Can I get an MXM card newer than GTX1070? if so where? M17x R4. Used to be you could hit up Woodzstacz before Mondocorp burned the forums to the ground. EDIT: currently a Woodzstack GTX980. would a 4060 be faster if a 1070 is almost twice as fast as a 980?

 

SO the 4060 vbios is a nogo right now and intel arc is an option?

 

https://iot.asus.com/gpu-edge-ai-accelerators/google-tpu/filter?Series=MXM-GPU-Module

 

https://www.adlinktech.com/Products/Embedded_Graphics/Graphics_Solutions/MXM-AXe

 

 

RTX non gaming cards?

https://www.pcpsol.com/en/products.php?cid=92

 

i assume these are all of the options?

[panda_zzz]

Right now the rtx3000-rtx5000 on the Turing architecture, analogous to the mobile 2060-2080, is guaranteed to work. Newer quadro rtx cards require certain features that are not in the bios of older machines such as m17x r4 | r5 or m18x r2. Perhaps in the future there will be video bios available for them to work properly.
The situation with Chinese cards of three thousand and four thousand series is also still unclear, so at the moment it's a lottery.
Cards from Intel require the same features as the new quadro rtx cards and probably won't work either, but it's not known for sure, no one has tried it yet

 

[GuitarG]

For 3000 and 4000 series you need "Above 4G decoding" option in BIOS rom to work. Turing aka Quadro RTX and 2000 series is max you can upgrade, for now.

[runix18]

One can add Above 4g decoding and rebar suport to any UEFI bios. Some DXE drivers needs to be added to the bios and maybe patch the DSDT.

[panda_zzz]

4 hours ago, runix18 said:

One can add Above 4g decoding and rebar suport to any UEFI bios. Some DXE drivers needs to be added to the bios and maybe patch the DSDT.

Unfortunately not any. If 4g decoding was not originally supported in the bios, it cannot be added, at least at the moment.
Rebar will not work if there is no 4g decoding function in the bios, although you can add it with a third-party UEFI driver.

[runix18]

44 minutes ago, panda_zzz said:

Unfortunately not any. If 4g decoding was not originally supported in the bios, it cannot be added, at least at the moment.
Rebar will not work if there is no 4g decoding function in the bios, although you can add it with a third-party UEFI driver.

From what I know, H77 chipset board has the module, at least for AMI bioses. Idunno for Insyde.

[cdoublejj]

there was an unlocked bios for the R4 at some point, or so i thought. guess i need to poke around my bios and see what i have.

 

well it's nice to know it's matter of naming scheme, so the rtx 3k and 4k aren't' quadros. ARC is too unpredictable atm and haven't seen an AMD MXM in a loong while.

 

i'm bad about bios mods, i can sort of follow the guides until they ask you to look for a hex value or address at which point my brain.exe stops responding. You guys think it might be possible to PAY someone to mod my bios?

 

am i going to need windows or can i get by with bootable USB to flash my bios? perhaps i am putting the cart before the horse.

[runix18]

52 minutes ago, cdoublejj said:

there was an unlocked bios for the R4 at some point, or so i thought. guess i need to poke around my bios and see what i have.

 

well it's nice to know it's matter of naming scheme, so the rtx 3k and 4k aren't' quadros. ARC is too unpredictable atm and haven't seen an AMD MXM in a loong while.

 

i'm bad about bios mods, i can sort of follow the guides until they ask you to look for a hex value or address at which point my brain.exe stops responding. You guys think it might be possible to PAY someone to mod my bios?

 

am i going to need windows or can i get by with bootable USB to flash my bios? perhaps i am putting the cart before the horse.

you have PM

[cdoublejj]

apparently google is thing. i thought all was lost after NBR fire, assuming all was burnt it looks like some stuff has been redisscussed or scraped and put here, all of which hits google.

 

 

[panda_zzz]

4 hours ago, runix18 said:

From what I know, H77 chipset board has the module, at least for AMI bioses. Idunno for Insyde.

Aptio Ami bios for 2013 Alienware 14 (Intel HM87) has support for 4g decoding, earlier platforms are made on Insyde bios and there is no this feature. At least the latest versions of m17x r4/r5 and m18x r2/viking don't have this feature - I searched in the bios dumps

 

[cdoublejj]

So if I understand, It won't boot with video without above 4g decoding and it can't be modded in

 

 

[panda_zzz]

3 hours ago, cdoublejj said:

So if I understand, It won't boot with video without above 4g decoding and it can't be modded in

The presence of this feature in the system bios is verified by vbios of the video card itself. And if this function is not found, then the video card does not start and does not let the whole system start.
Perhaps it can be bypassed by selecting a third-party vbios or getting pny/aethina/etc tech support to provide vbios without this check.

[cdoublejj]

i'm guessing a 115 watts is a shit ton for a laptop?

 

https://www.pcpsol.com/en/product_detail.php?id=225&cid=92&page=1

 

https://www.pcpsol.com/en/product_detail.php?id=230&cid=92&page=1

 

Not that i don't have some dumb ideas for portable desktop chonk

 

 

EDIT: does anyone even know what  the A15 bios even offers? i assume it's the Meltdown exploit patches which cost performance on some operations.

[Chalybion]

115 watts should be no problem for a heatsink with 2+ heatpipes on the GPU.  It looks like the M17x R4 has three heat pipes, so it should run cool.  Probably need a 240W power supply minimum

[cdoublejj]

i got a 330 and am also looking at doubling the heat size, i may also have a 5 heatpipe cooler around here.

 

anyone know how much an RTX5000 should cost and where to get one? and how much for a 3500 for that matter? wonder if an overclocked ivy bridge can even keep up beyond an rtx3500

[panda_zzz]

3 hours ago, cdoublejj said:

anyone know how much an RTX5000 should cost and where to get one? and how much for a 3500 for that matter? wonder if an overclocked ivy bridge can even keep up beyond an rtx3500

Not sure if RTX3500 with Ada Lovelace chip will work in m17x r4. RTX5000 with Turing chip will almost certainly work. but note that both cards have a different location of holes for the cooling system radiator. as an option you can buy a rtx3000-rtx5000 card from hp zbook 17 g6 laptop - they are cheaper and not as rare as industrial rtx5000 although they also require some modification of the cooling system

 

[cdoublejj]

any posted pics of making a cooler?

[cdoublejj]

On 10/16/2024 at 5:33 PM, panda_zzz said:

Right now the rtx3000-rtx5000 on the Turing architecture, analogous to the mobile 2060-2080, is guaranteed to work. Newer quadro rtx cards require certain features that are not in the bios of older machines such as m17x r4 | r5 or m18x r2. Perhaps in the future there will be video bios available for them to work properly.
The situation with Chinese cards of three thousand and four thousand series is also still unclear, so at the moment it's a lottery.
Cards from Intel require the same features as the new quadro rtx cards and probably won't work either, but it's not known for sure, no one has tried it yet

 

they are listing the rtx 5000 as an rtx quadro, Quadro RTX 5000 16GB MXM3.0 Video Card DAXW3UB7CA0 for HP ZBook 17 G6

 

i dont think there is an rtx 5000 non quadro. perhaps the rtx 3000 series alone is the rtx 2000 series? but, perhaps the 3000 is mid range and 5000 is top range and it's up to buyer to figure out the gpu architecture? it all seems so confusing right now

 

 

also just looking around the clevo cards require a power cable, granted yall said somewhere on these forums that they are all wildy shapen and proprietary or extra large.

[panda_zzz]

8 hours ago, cdoublejj said:

they are listing the rtx 5000 as an rtx quadro, Quadro RTX 5000 16GB MXM3.0 Video Card DAXW3UB7CA0 for HP ZBook 17 G6

 

i dont think there is an rtx 5000 non quadro. perhaps the rtx 3000 series alone is the rtx 2000 series? but, perhaps the 3000 is mid range and 5000 is top range and it's up to buyer to figure out the gpu architecture? it all seems so confusing right now

 

 

also just looking around the clevo cards require a power cable, granted yall said somewhere on these forums that they are all wildy shapen and proprietary or extra large.

It's just that there are quadro rtx a2000 - a4500 series cards for example, they belong to the next generation on Ampere chips
If we are talking about the Turing generation, rtx3000 is the middle level, rtx5000 is the top level. there are still options to put t1000-t2000 video cards from hp computers, they can be found cheaper, but they don't support tracing and have less video memory.
I would not recommend to pay attention to clevo cards - they are not compatible.

 

[cdoublejj]

quadro also has error correcting ram and tends to run games a little slower. are you all using quadros or is there some magic gpu fairy? because i'm only seeing quadros on ebay???