MSI Raider GE76 12th Generation - Costco Special

[qadhi79]

This model and price is only available at Costco

 

MSI Raider GE76 12UGS-201

 

• 12th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-12700H Processor
• NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3070Ti, 8GB
• 32GB (16G*2) DDR5 4800MHz
• 1TB NVMe SSD Gen4x4
• 17.3" IPS FHD (1920 x 1080) 360Hz 3ms Display
• Steel Series RGB with Anti-Ghost Keyboard
• Windows 11 Home (64-bit)

 

Full specs: https://storage-asset.msi.com/specSheet/us/nb/Raider GE76 12UGS-201.pdf

 

$2499.99

 

https://www.costco.com/msi-raider-ge76-17.3"-laptop---12th-gen-intel-core-i7-12700h---geforce-rtx-3070ti---1080p---windows-11.product.100846187.html

 

[TreeTopsRanch]

Wonder how hot this one will get.

[qadhi79]

Just like any other laptop with a 12700H 🙂

[saturnotaku]

22 hours ago, TreeTopsRanch said:

Wonder how hot this one will get.

 

The GE76 has a pretty beefy cooling system so thermals shouldn't be a concern.

[Talon]

I like MSI laptops for the unlocked/hidden BIOS, but man they aren't keeping up with the competition. Still using 300 nit displays, 1080p, and no variable refresh or G-Sync in 2022, and no 16:10 or 16" options is inexcusable for me. Until they change that, it's a hard pass for me considering their high prices. 

[qadhi79]

I am guessing you have not checked MSI lineup in a while as all of the things you mentioned and some more are already offered by MSI.

[Talon]

7 hours ago, qadhi79 said:

I am guessing you have not checked MSI lineup in a while as all of the things you mentioned and some more are already offered by MSI.

 

To my knowledge all of MSI "gaming" laptops are 16:9, they don't have VRR or G-Sync/FreeSync, and their entire gaming laptop is still 300 nit advertised. I expect MSI to add these features back in the 2023 lineup with 4000 series Nvidia or next gen AMD, but for now I don't see any of those options offered in the gaming space. 

 

The 1080p knock was specific to this model as I do know they offer higher res displays, but their offerings are substandard to other panels in other brands. 

[qadhi79]

13 hours ago, Talon said:

 

To my knowledge all of MSI "gaming" laptops are 16:9, they don't have VRR or G-Sync/FreeSync, and their entire gaming laptop is still 300 nit advertised. I expect MSI to add these features back in the 2023 lineup with 4000 series Nvidia or next gen AMD, but for now I don't see any of those options offered in the gaming space. 

 

The 1080p knock was specific to this model as I do know they offer higher res displays, but their offerings are substandard to other panels in other brands. 

 

I would compare MSI GE76 with the likes of Alienware x17 R2, ASUS ROG Strix Scar 17 and Razer Blade 17 all of which have the same specifications.

 

MSI GE76 is offered in FHD, QHD and 4K which is no different from the competition and personally I always pick FHD as the font size suits my usage.

 

The combination of higher nits, 16:10 and extremely good panels are offered in laptops used for designing like Apple MacBook Pro, ASUS Flow, MSI Creator, etc.

 

Please share if you know of any competitors offering VRR or G-Sync/FreeSync, 16:10 and over 300 nits in their latest "gaming" lineup.

 

 

[saturnotaku]

3 hours ago, qadhi79 said:

Please share if you know of any competitors offering VRR or G-Sync/FreeSync, 16:10 and over 300 nits in their latest "gaming" lineup.

 

 

 

Lenovo Legion 5 Pro and 7 - 2560x1600 with 500 nits peak brightness. Intel-based models support Advanced Optimus while AMD ones have a manual MUX switch with G-Sync and FreeSync compatibility depending on whether hybrid mode (Optimus) is enabled.

[Talon]

1 hour ago, saturnotaku said:

Lenovo Legion 5 Pro and 7 - 2560x1600 with 500 nits peak brightness. Intel-based models support Advanced Optimus while AMD ones have a manual MUX switch with G-Sync and FreeSync compatibility depending on whether hybrid mode (Optimus) is enabled.

 

This. They're also 16:10 16" options. https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/legion-laptops/legion-5-series/legion-5i-pro-gen-7-(16-inch-intel)/len101g0015?visibleDatas=696%3AIntel® Core™ i7 They don't have all of their options out yet with their higher end GPUs but will soon. 

 

My HP Omen 16.1" is also Advanced Optimus, MUX'd, and has G-Sync at 1440p 165hz. 

 

MSI is just sorta lagging and cheating customers out of options other brands have been offering for awhile now. I'm not saying they need to hit every box, but they should be offering at least some of these new features that other brands are. 

[win32asmguy]

The GE76 240hz QHD panel does support VRR in hybrid mode. It is a 400 nit panel.

 

Sadly the stock 12900HK phase change thermal material still has 10+ degrees core temp differentials under load. Idle temps are 40C which is good. It can be undervolted unlike the 12700H.

[Talon]

1 hour ago, win32asmguy said:

The GE76 240hz QHD panel does support VRR in hybrid mode. It is a 400 nit panel.

 

Sadly the stock 12900HK phase change thermal material still has 10+ degrees core temp differentials under load. Idle temps are 40C which is good. It can be undervolted unlike the 12700H.

 

That is actually good to hear! So you have this laptop? It has the variable refresh option in the Intel iGPU menu? That is definitely good that it has that at least has Optimus VRR, but less than ideal dGPU G-Sync/FreeSync option. My brother just picked up the Asus G14 2022 edition and it has MUX'd FreeSync in dGPU mode which is the ideal way just like GSync. 

[saturnotaku]

4 minutes ago, Talon said:

My brother just picked up the Asus G14 2022 edition and it has MUX'd FreeSync in dGPU mode which is the ideal way just like GSync. 

 

That's another option with a 16:10 screen and AFAIK, a 300-nit panel.

[Talon]

49 minutes ago, saturnotaku said:

 

That's another option with a 16:10 screen and AFAIK, a 300-nit panel.

It’s actually 500nit advertised. It’s crazy bright and color accurate. One of their new “Nebula” displays. I’m actually jealous of it, super compact, well built beastly machine. 

[win32asmguy]

4 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

That is actually good to hear! So you have this laptop? It has the variable refresh option in the Intel iGPU menu? That is definitely good that it has that at least has Optimus VRR, but less than ideal dGPU G-Sync/FreeSync option. My brother just picked up the Asus G14 2022 edition and it has MUX'd FreeSync in dGPU mode which is the ideal way just like GSync. 

Yes. The option is in the Intel igpu command center app.

 

It is odd that gsync is not supported. Not even an explanation of why.

[Talon]

26 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

Yes. The option is in the Intel igpu command center app.

 

It is odd that gsync is not supported. Not even an explanation of why.

 

That is great! Thanks for confirming! I wonder if it's simply a licensing/fee issue with Nvidia. With AMD and Intel offering FreeSync or VRR in laptops, Nvidia is going to need to start offering G-Sync to more laptops similar to how they did on desktop. 

[qadhi79]

7 hours ago, Talon said:

 

This. They're also 16:10 16" options. https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/legion-laptops/legion-5-series/legion-5i-pro-gen-7-(16-inch-intel)/len101g0015?visibleDatas=696%3AIntel® Core™ i7 They don't have all of their options out yet with their higher end GPUs but will soon. 

 

My HP Omen 16.1" is also Advanced Optimus, MUX'd, and has G-Sync at 1440p 165hz. 

 

MSI is just sorta lagging and cheating customers out of options other brands have been offering for awhile now. I'm not saying they need to hit every box, but they should be offering at least some of these new features that other brands are. 

 

Now this is a good looking laptop but a deal killer with the RTX 3050Ti

 

Not enough laptops this year with G-Sync which may be something to do with certification. The G-Sync requires a different BIOS so wonder if they will release new models to cover up.

 

 

 

 

[qadhi79]

7 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

The GE76 240hz QHD panel does support VRR in hybrid mode. It is a 400 nit panel.

 

Sadly the stock 12900HK phase change thermal material still has 10+ degrees core temp differentials under load. Idle temps are 40C which is good. It can be undervolted unlike the 12700H.

 

GentechPC did an unboxing and teardown of GE66 which shows that the CPU paste was not done right.

 

I really wanted the GE76 with 12900HK/3070Ti but unable to find them anywhere.

 

Flying out of US in 2 days so ended up ordering the GE76 12700H/3070Ti from Costco.

 

Without undervolt a re-paste and lower TDP may be the only option for now.

[saturnotaku]

10 hours ago, Talon said:

It’s actually 500nit advertised. It’s crazy bright and color accurate. One of their new “Nebula” displays. I’m actually jealous of it, super compact, well built beastly machine. 

 

With some of the best keyboards available on a gaming laptop. However, IMO, the port layout sucks, and Armoury Crate is multi-sh*t bloatware, worse than Razer Synapse. Further, I don't like how Asus handles power profiles. For example, only in silent mode does the CPU downclock properly when idling or performing basic tasks. Lastly, for whatever reason, whenever I've used an Asus gaming laptop with an external monitor, it's always caused very elevated idle CPU temperatures. Just using the laptop by itself in silent mode would have the processor in the upper 40s but hooked up to my monitor would see those temps soar to 60, even without bypassing the integrated graphics. This is why I've never been able to use an Asus laptop over the long term.

[win32asmguy]

10 hours ago, qadhi79 said:

 

GentechPC did an unboxing and teardown of GE66 which shows that the CPU paste was not done right.

 

I really wanted the GE76 with 12900HK/3070Ti but unable to find them anywhere.

 

Flying out of US in 2 days so ended up ordering the GE76 12700H/3070Ti from Costco.

 

Without undervolt a re-paste and lower TDP may be the only option for now.

Was Costco able to ship your order out promptly?

 

So far I think even a modest -50mv undervolt has helped with fan noise in the default Balanced mode. No fan spikes or pulsing any more and slightly higher all-core turbo speeds possible.

[qadhi79]

2 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

Was Costco able to ship your order out promptly?

 

So far I think even a modest -50mv undervolt has helped with fan noise in the default Balanced mode. No fan spikes or pulsing any more and slightly higher all-core turbo speeds possible.

 

Checked with them before ordering and decided to go for a warehouse pickup. Been checking on other websites to see if the 12900HK shows up but no success.

 

The Costo model will arrive tomorrow in their warehouse where I have asked to collect. Have a flight same day so will review once I am home.

 

 

[DukeCLR]

This looks like the one I want to get to replace my GT73VR, I'm curious to see how it works.

 

[Talon]

5 hours ago, DukeCLR said:

This looks like the one I want to get to replace my GT73VR, I'm curious to see how it works.

 

 

Long time no see! Welcome to the new boards!

[DukeCLR]

Thanks

 

[Shark00n]

Does the version of the GE76 with the 8GB RTX 3080 make any sense in this line-up?

 

3070Ti has practically the same, if not better (in a few games) performance and costs less.

 

Am I missing something?🤨