Ray Tracing on M18xR2 - RTX 3000 MXM Upgrade!

[Jerryzago]

Though I am not sure, if that 970m is a g-sync model, it will throw 8 beeps. It only works in SG mode through the unlocked bios

[emcze]

1 hour ago, Jerryzago said:

if that 970m is a g-sync model,

I'm not shure but one year ago works with Alienware, I tried on m17x r4, second m17x r4 120hz and my m18x r2

 

the same was with M3000M but probably problem was in HP vbios.

 

  

6 hours ago, Maks0098 said:

try SG mode and see if it is detected in the BIOS. if not, then maybe it’s worth trying to reflash the vbios or it’s broken.

 

I afraid that is broken. Is it possible to reflash vbios if card is not detected ?? 

 

 

I hope that RTX3000M will works it is GETEC card ( whatever it is ) 🙂

 

[Maks0098]

29 minutes ago, emcze said:

I afraid that is broken. Is it possible to reflash vbios if card is not detected ?? 

this is only possible with a programmer if it is not detected.

[emcze]

4 hours ago, Maks0098 said:

this is only possible with a programmer

 

One more time thank you very much. 

 

I should have it in friday:

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FABSOK-CH341A-Programmer-Module-Adapter%2Fdp%2FB08HH6CPVF&psig=AOvVaw3fV93envK5kCcmV2Y-i5i1&ust=1717064382898000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBIQjRxqFwoTCKiX8cDRsoYDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE

 

( I'm sure that I can do it 🙂- I earned a degree in electronics and computer hardware 30 years ago... it was IBM XT / AT time and first 386SX / DX and 486 processors ) 

 

Do you know something about MXM-RTX3000/Getec card ??

 

[Maks0098]

8 hours ago, emcze said:

I should have it in friday:

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FABSOK-CH341A-Programmer-Module-Adapter%2Fdp%2FB08HH6CPVF&psig=AOvVaw3fV93envK5kCcmV2Y-i5i1&ust=1717064382898000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBIQjRxqFwoTCKiX8cDRsoYDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE

If you are going to use it to flash not only this 970M, but maybe also your future RTX 3000, then I advise you to take a 1.8 volt adapter, since video cards of the Pascal generation and newer use a 1.8 volt BIOS chip instead of 3.3.

8 hours ago, emcze said:

Do you know something about MXM-RTX3000/Getec card ??

This is it? if not, then I have no idea about this manufacturer at all, I personally dealt with RTX cards from HP, I saw cards from Aetina and Adlink, but not a word about Getec.

[emcze]

1 hour ago, Maks0098 said:

This is it?

 

Yes, looks the same:

 

but in Poland I have two HP card for sell if will be better choice:

 

 

1 hour ago, Maks0098 said:

then I advise you to take a 1.8 volt adapter

 

I checked and I ordered with 1.8V adapter. 

 

1 hour ago, Maks0098 said:

to flash not only this 970M, but maybe also your future RTX 3000

 

Does Aetina/PNY/Adlink and HP card need to be flashed to work with m18x r2 ??

[Maks0098]

21 hours ago, emcze said:

Does Aetina/PNY/Adlink and HP card need to be flashed to work with m18x r2 ??

I think you'll have to flash both unless you buy it as a Dell/Alienware specific one.

 

21 hours ago, emcze said:

 

Yes, looks the same:

I think it's from Aetina. This is a good video card, but I don't know which is better: HP or Aetina. probably from Aetina, since it does not require modifications, such as gluing a new mount to the motherboard in order to screw the HP video card more securely and modifying the video card heatsink. But if HP is cheaper and this matters to you, you can take it.

 

And you can also look for the RTX 4000 - because it sometimes costs a little more, but its performance is much better, the heating is not much more.

 

And if you had a 7970M, then you most likely have an AMD 100-watt radiator. I have the same one, it is suitable for Nvidia video cards and cools extremely well. but you should still look at this, if you have a 75 watt radiator, then this is a bit bad. For the RTX 4000 you will have to take a 100-watt one, but for the RTX 3000 a 75-watt one is enough, although I like to lower temperatures to the maximum and would take a 100-watt one.

[emcze]

12 minutes ago, Maks0098 said:

I think it's from Aetina.

 

Sounds good !

 

14 minutes ago, Maks0098 said:

But if HP is cheaper and this matters to you, you can take it.

 

Aetina 360 USD - HP 400 USD

 

Seller wrote to me:

"Yes, I have a client who installed RTX3000 on the M18X R2 computer and it was successfully upgraded, but I am not sure if you have technical support"

 

notebooktalk will be my tech support 😉

 

The same seller has RTX4000 from HP - 540 USD

 

16 minutes ago, Maks0098 said:

And if you had a 7970M, then you most likely have an AMD 100-watt radiator. I have the same one, it is suitable for Nvidia video cards and cools extremely well. but you should still look at this, if you have a 75 watt radiator, then this is a bit bad. For the RTX 4000 you will have to take a 100-watt one, but for the RTX 3000 a 75-watt one is enough, although I like to lower temperatures to the maximum and would take a 100-watt one.

 

My m18x r2 had GTX680m but I put it to m17x r4 with 120hz 3D display ( my son 680 was burned ). I took hd7970 from second son m17x r4 because was problem with driver Windows 11 and he works now with quadro k4100m 

We play cards 🙂 

 

My originall heatsink sticker is Nvidia 100W

 

 

and works without mods with hd7970 ( Thermal grizzly pads and kryonaut paste, max temp over GPU burner is under 80 C ),  I have second NVGTX 100W for SLI too.

[Jerryzago]

I have both HP and Aetina/PNY RTX 3000. Both of them work out of the box. HP gpu still has the hp vbios and is working a bit cooler than the PNY one.

[emcze]

1 hour ago, Jerryzago said:

Both of them work out of the box.

 

I wait for this info. Only SG mode and .inf... 

but HP need to prepare heatsink in m18x r2. 

[Jerryzago]

8 hours ago, emcze said:

 

I wait for this info. Only SG mode and .inf... 

but HP need to prepare heatsink in m18x r2. 

I currently use the HP one. Modifications are necessary. I got an extra heatsink to chop and hack. Also I added an extra bracket to hold the GPU in place. None of the screws align with the board. Also one of the two MXM latches, needs to be removed. So far it's working like a charm.

 

I tried some vBIOS I found online. I only manage to brick the GPU. So I use the original HP one (or at least, the one that came with).

 

PNY/Aetina variant, though it works with original heatsink without mods, screws in place as it should, it has two mosfets in an area thay the heatsing doesn't cover. I used an aluminium block and thermal pads to transfer heat to the heatsink and the northridge heatsink. But it's temps were higher.

 

When I have the time, I will make a post about the HP install.

[emcze]

1 hour ago, Jerryzago said:

PNY/Aetina variant, though it works with original heatsink without mods, screws in place as it should, it has two mosfets in an area thay the heatsing doesn't cover. I used an aluminium block and thermal pads to transfer heat to the heatsink and the northridge heatsink. But it's temps were higher.

 

I wait for Aetina GPU. I paid 360 USD and don't want to pay another 400 USD for second HP 🙂 

In free time I build tube amplifiers, DACs and streamers and I think I can make some additional heatsink for this mosfet in my workshop.

[Jerryzago]

1 hour ago, emcze said:

 

I wait for Aetina GPU. I paid 360 USD and don't want to pay another 400 USD for second HP 🙂 

In free time I build tube amplifiers, DACs and streamers and I think I can make some additional heatsink for this mosfet in my workshop.

I was lucky. I got the HP for 200 euros and manage to grab the PNY for 100 euros. 

 

It is not hard, you can do this. I used only hand tools to fabricate a bridge to cover that area I needed.

 

My next project will be to install a 980m at the primary slot and the RTX to the secondary and try to boor in PEG mode. 

 

So I will disable the igpu completely, and when I play a game, RTX will take the heavy lifting.

 

Please do provide us feedback and I would like to see your approach during your install

[aldarxt]

On 5/30/2024 at 2:01 PM, emcze said:

 

Sounds good !

 

 

Aetina 360 USD - HP 400 USD

 

Seller wrote to me:

"Yes, I have a client who installed RTX3000 on the M18X R2 computer and it was successfully upgraded, but I am not sure if you have technical support"

 

notebooktalk will be my tech support 😉

 

The same seller has RTX4000 from HP - 540 USD

 

 

My m18x r2 had GTX680m but I put it to m17x r4 with 120hz 3D display ( my son 680 was burned ). I took hd7970 from second son m17x r4 because was problem with driver Windows 11 and he works now with quadro k4100m 

We play cards 🙂 

 

My originall heatsink sticker is Nvidia 100W

 

 

and works without mods with hd7970 ( Thermal grizzly pads and kryonaut paste, max temp over GPU burner is under 80 C ),  I have second NVGTX 100W for SLI too.

The m17x r4 120HZ 3D screen will run with P4000 GPU in pure EUFI  PEG only mode with .inf mod. The RTX 3000 GETEC runs in both m18x r2 and m17x r4 60hz screens in SG mode only. I have 2 RTX 3000 GETEC cards both run great. I had a HP RTX 4000 in the m18x r2 running great but was unable to screw them down and but the card is a little thicker and buldged up the keyboard slightly but not a problem. I cut a piece of rubber to fit at the end of the card to keep it from sliding out but also seemed unnecessary. It worked great till I flashed the vBios then it stopped in the m18x r2 but now works in HP ZBook 17 G6, so the card is good. There should be no need to flash the RTX 3000 GETEC

[aldarxt]

12 hours ago, Jerryzago said:

I was lucky. I got the HP for 200 euros and manage to grab the PNY for 100 euros. 

 

It is not hard, you can do this. I used only hand tools to fabricate a bridge to cover that area I needed.

 

My next project will be to install a 980m at the primary slot and the RTX to the secondary and try to boor in PEG mode. 

 

So I will disable the igpu completely, and when I play a game, RTX will take the heavy lifting.

 

Please do provide us feedback and I would like to see your approach during your install

I would really like to see how this works. If this gets the RTX working in PEG it might be a first

[emcze]

On 5/31/2024 at 6:00 PM, Jerryzago said:

Please do provide us feedback and I would like to see your approach during your install

 

I promise 🙂

 

12 hours ago, aldarxt said:

I have 2 RTX 3000 GETEC cards both run great.

 

This forum is awesome, you all are awesome. 

 

12 hours ago, aldarxt said:

m17x r4 120HZ 3D screen will run with P4000 GPU in pure EUFI  PEG only mode with .inf mod.

 

It is great info for me, this display is not comparable to 60Hz and it would be bad if it was the only one in the home left on GTX6xx/7xx

[ssj92]

On 6/1/2024 at 12:26 AM, emcze said:

 

I promise 🙂

 

 

This forum is awesome, you all are awesome. 

 

 

It is great info for me, this display is not comparable to 60Hz and it would be bad if it was the only one in the home left on GTX6xx/7xx

Any updates on the RTX 3000?

 

  

On 5/31/2024 at 5:50 AM, Jerryzago said:

I currently use the HP one. Modifications are necessary. I got an extra heatsink to chop and hack. Also I added an extra bracket to hold the GPU in place. None of the screws align with the board. Also one of the two MXM latches, needs to be removed. So far it's working like a charm.

 

I tried some vBIOS I found online. I only manage to brick the GPU. So I use the original HP one (or at least, the one that came with).

 

PNY/Aetina variant, though it works with original heatsink without mods, screws in place as it should, it has two mosfets in an area thay the heatsing doesn't cover. I used an aluminium block and thermal pads to transfer heat to the heatsink and the northridge heatsink. But it's temps were higher.

 

When I have the time, I will make a post about the HP install.

Do you have a pic of the area you are talking about that does not get covered by the heatsink? Curious to see what you made. 

[emcze]

48 minutes ago, ssj92 said:

Any updates on the RTX 3000?

 

Hi.

 

Is still on the way. Should be this week. 

Few days ago I pick up 3940XM and triple pipes CPU heatsink. I have liquid metal from ThermalGrizzly. I only wait for RTX3000 to put everything inside ( I don't want to disasembly m18x again and again and... ) 

 

Meanwhile my key "w" from m18x keyboard stop working. In Poland is houndred blue tape keyboard from m17x r1, r2, r3 and m18x r1 but zero with green tape keyboard from m17x r4 / m18x r2. Can anyone help ?

[emcze]

Hi,

 

RTX arrived to Poland but stuck somewhere. I decided to replaced proccesor. Now need help with OC.

 

 

[jonv8944s]

I'm getting this GPU for my alienware m18x r2: https://www.ebay.com/itm/166542231401

 

And I want to make sure I put the right size (thickness) thermal pads on it, using the factory 3 pipe 100W Alienware gpu cooler (mine came with the 680m SLI setup)

 

Any guidance on what thickness pads I should use (seems to use 2 differen thicknesses on the 680m).  I assume it makes sense to buy new ones and not reuse the 680m ones.  

 

Please let me know!

[emcze]

22 hours ago, jonv8944s said:

And I want to make sure I put the right size (thickness) thermal pads on it,

 

I bought for this card :

 

THERMAL GRIZZLY MINUS PAD 8 120x20x1mm thermopad

 

I give you know next week ( still waiting )

[jonv8944s]

Curious, when I take out my second 680m (SLI), do I leave the fan in, and just remove the card the and SLI cable.  Is there anything thats going to actually cause that 2nd GPU fan to kick on?

[emcze]

5 hours ago, jonv8944s said:

Curious, when I take out my second 680m (SLI), do I leave the fan in, and just remove the card the and SLI cable.  Is there anything thats going to actually cause that 2nd GPU fan to kick on?

 

It should be driven by GPU temp but you can disconnect second fan plug for sure. If you don't have plastic adapter in place of GPU 2 better to leave fan to prevent leakage of air flow - but it is only my opinion 🙂

[jonv8944s]

Yeah buy gpu2 will have NO temp, so you think BOTH fans will kick on if Primary GPU shows a rise in temperature?  Not just the ONE FAN that controls that Primary GPU ?

 

I'm trying to get the velociraptor, @ssj92 is working on it for me, so I can put it in spot 2, just didnt know if anything would even kick on fan 2 since no GPU in there, and therefore no GPU temp #2 sensor.  I'll leave it all in.  Would be nice if I could manually/automatically cause fan 2 to turn on when gpu fan 1 turns on.

[jonv8944s]

Shoot, I just thought of something.  I dont have the 'unlock' bios installed yet.  Did I just shoot myself in the foot pulling out the 680SLI setup since my RTX 3000 is coming in.  While I wait, do I need to put the whole computer back together (I hope not, this doesnt sound fun) just to install the unlock bios so the RTX 3000 will work?  Or will it be fine, and go natively to the integrated graphics card?  Or will I get the dreaded BEEPs?