PCP RTX A4500 MXM

[ssj92]

8 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

I thought the Hassy Alienware 18's only used LVDS in optimus. Am I wrong?

All 18s are LVDS. I was told by someone that even in Optimus the MXM card needs either LVDS support OR eDP support in order to work in Optimus mode. Might make sense since this is the first MXM card without eDP support that I’ve tried. 

[MS-16L13]

15 hours ago, ssj92 said:

So when I flash the HP/Dell vBIOS it posts fine because vBIOS has eDP definition but core is not wired? That’s why it has code 43 error? 
 

or I still need to modify original vBIOS for eDP definition because HP/Dell vBIOS is too different? 
 

 

In fact, starting from this generation of Pascal, nvidia's VB are encrypted and no one can edit them. At best, the power consumption can only be modified. And in the Pascal after the core even modify the power consumption can not be.
Not to mention modifying the VB display channel, someone once tried to add a display output to the VB of the P106 finally failed.
This type of MXM graphics card to play the driver code 43, there is a special situation that few people know.
The ZBOX en series of zotac I don't know if you've heard of them, their graphics cards use zotac custom 1060 1070 1080 mxm graphics cards, of which there are two versions of 1080, one of the CPU slot is LGA, when someone modified the bios for it so that it can support intel 9 generation Core.
Finally it worked, we managed to use the i9 9900 in ZBOX en1080, but something strange happened, the graphics card appeared 43, no matter how to install the driver to change the inf is code 43.The solution is to flash it into a MSI 1080MXM graphics card VB. nvidia does not want a MXM graphics card to be used on different machines, so there is some kind of hardware whitelist restriction between the driver and VB on some machines.
The MXM to PCIE adapter board I mentioned above can ignore this restriction. It can install any MXM graphics card without modifying the inf, you can directly install the driver to use.

Finally, you can try to test this A4500 card using a machine like the P15X SM/A GT60 (16F3 /16F4) that relies on the output of the integrated graphics card. Such machines can even use P106MXM and ZRT's 2070 desktop core MXM graphics cards.

 

[ssj92]

4 hours ago, MS-16L13 said:

In fact, starting from this generation of Pascal, nvidia's VB are encrypted and no one can edit them. At best, the power consumption can only be modified. And in the Pascal after the core even modify the power consumption can not be.
Not to mention modifying the VB display channel, someone once tried to add a display output to the VB of the P106 finally failed.
This type of MXM graphics card to play the driver code 43, there is a special situation that few people know.
The ZBOX en series of zotac I don't know if you've heard of them, their graphics cards use zotac custom 1060 1070 1080 mxm graphics cards, of which there are two versions of 1080, one of the CPU slot is LGA, when someone modified the bios for it so that it can support intel 9 generation Core.
Finally it worked, we managed to use the i9 9900 in ZBOX en1080, but something strange happened, the graphics card appeared 43, no matter how to install the driver to change the inf is code 43.The solution is to flash it into a MSI 1080MXM graphics card VB. nvidia does not want a MXM graphics card to be used on different machines, so there is some kind of hardware whitelist restriction between the driver and VB on some machines.
The MXM to PCIE adapter board I mentioned above can ignore this restriction. It can install any MXM graphics card without modifying the inf, you can directly install the driver to use.

Finally, you can try to test this A4500 card using a machine like the P15X SM/A GT60 (16F3 /16F4) that relies on the output of the integrated graphics card. Such machines can even use P106MXM and ZRT's 2070 desktop core MXM graphics cards.

 

The computers I am testing with support GP106 mxm card because they also do video output through integrated graphics. 
 

I wonder if in this case I should try flashing A4500 as RTX 3070Ti from Alienware vBIOS? 
 

I will also test card in Clevo P870DM as well. 
 

I cannot find any mxm pcie x16 cards on eBay, only the x1 model. 

[MS-16L13]

19 hours ago, ssj92 said:

The computers I am testing with support GP106 mxm card because they also do video output through integrated graphics. 
 

I wonder if in this case I should try flashing A4500 as RTX 3070Ti from Alienware vBIOS? 
 

I will also test card in Clevo P870DM as well. 
 

I cannot find any mxm pcie x16 cards on eBay, only the x1 model. 

You can't flash 3070Ti VB for the A4500.The two cards don't have the same VRAM configuration, and the A4500's memory support ECC. After I flashed the ZRT desktop core 2070 into the laptop core 2070Vbios, it didn't even work properly.

[MS-16L13]

19 hours ago, ssj92 said:

The computers I am testing with support GP106 mxm card because they also do video output through integrated graphics. 
 

I wonder if in this case I should try flashing A4500 as RTX 3070Ti from Alienware vBIOS? 
 

I will also test card in Clevo P870DM as well. 
 

I cannot find any mxm pcie x16 cards on eBay, only the x1 model. 

MXM to PCIE X16 version adapter boards are available for sale on aliexpress(https://pt.aliexpress.com/item/1005004569389235.html).This black version is not too compatible and easy to break,

the green one is the nv official cooperation production, compatibility is very good and good quality. But few stores sell them, and now you can only see people selling them on China's ebay (闲鱼).

[aldarxt]

2 minutes ago, MS-16L13 said:

You can't flash 3070Ti VB for the A4500.The two cards don't have the same VRAM configuration, and the A4500's memory support ECC. After I flashed the ZRT desktop core 2070 into the laptop core 2070Vbios, it didn't even work properly.

I was going to tell@ssj92 to be careful and make sure about this flash, so many variables like warranty and crippling the card. I like the ability of mounting it to a desktop for testing, thats a great option. Its really disturbing Nvidia encrypts the vBios and extends their tentacles into the masses machines

[ssj92]

3 hours ago, MS-16L13 said:

MXM to PCIE X16 version adapter boards are available for sale on aliexpress(https://pt.aliexpress.com/item/1005004569389235.html).This black version is not too compatible and easy to break,

the green one is the nv official cooperation production, compatibility is very good and good quality. But few stores sell them, and now you can only see people selling them on China's ebay (闲鱼).

Do you have link to Chinese ebay listing for that green card? I will ask my Chinese friend to see if they can order for me. 
 

i also found this “v1.3” looks similar to aliexpress version, it should work? 
 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/115574944707?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=_LxgfDnLRKa&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=ZgSh7VW9Rem&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[MS-16L13]

9 hours ago, ssj92 said:

Do you have link to Chinese ebay listing for that green card? I will ask my Chinese friend to see if they can order for me. 
 

i also found this “v1.3” looks similar to aliexpress version, it should work? 
 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/115574944707?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=_LxgfDnLRKa&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=ZgSh7VW9Rem&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

This black version and the green version are the same, with the green version slightly earlier than the black version. The developer of this board is my acquaintance, the price can be really expensive, he himself in China to sell the price is less than a hundred dollars.This one is also available on (闲鱼).The big green board this person is sellinghttps://m.tb.cn/h.URbjyYs?tk=zviMddd2uBS

[ssj92]

1 hour ago, MS-16L13 said:

This black version and the green version are the same, with the green version slightly earlier than the black version. The developer of this board is my acquaintance, the price can be really expensive, he himself in China to sell the price is less than a hundred dollars.This one is also available on (闲鱼).The big green board this person is sellinghttps://m.tb.cn/h.URbjyYs?tk=zviMddd2uBS

The black aliexpress one is easiest to buy and price isn't too bad. it should work with a4500?

[MS-16L13]

1 minute ago, ssj92 said:

The black aliexpress one is easiest to buy and price isn't too bad. it should work with a4500?

2252303331@qq.com

This is the email of the developer of the X16 adapter board on ebay and  aliexpress, you can ask him directly.

[ssj92]

On 11/30/2022 at 10:33 PM, MS-16L13 said:

2252303331@qq.com

This is the email of the developer of the X16 adapter board on ebay and  aliexpress, you can ask him directly.

Do you have the information on what resistor must be changed to allow eDP output on A4500? 

 

If I can find someone local in US I can show them what must be done and see if this allows it to work in laptop 

[MS-16L13]

53 minutes ago, ssj92 said:

Do you have the information on what resistor must be changed to allow eDP output on A4500? 

 

If I can find someone local in US I can show them what must be done and see if this allows it to work in laptop 

You have to ask the developer of the adapter board to know this question. Only he knows the way to make MXM graphics card forced output edp.

[ssj92]

19 minutes ago, MS-16L13 said:

You have to ask the developer of the adapter board to know this question. Only he knows the way to make MXM graphics card forced output edp.

The MXM to PCIe developer is the one that knows? 

[MS-16L13]

1 hour ago, ssj92 said:

The MXM to PCIe developer is the one that knows? 

The first to get the 5500XT to output an edp signal was the developer of that adapter board.

[ssj92]

12 hours ago, MS-16L13 said:

The first to get the 5500XT to output an edp signal was the developer of that adapter board.

Ah I messaged him yesterday to his email but still no reply. 

[Rengsey R. H. Jr.]

On 11/23/2022 at 3:27 AM, MS-16L13 said:

There is another extreme case here, and that is the use of desktop core MXM graphics cards. Two examples are the 2060S and 2070 cards produced by ZRT. This type of graphics card is certainly not have edp display output, which is determined by its core.、
To make it output edp signal on the laptop can only replace the N19E mobile core, and then the hardware modification to do.

If do not carry out the core transplantation and other hardware modifications, directly installed in the laptop will appear and your similar situation.

Another option is to use the MXM to PCIE adapter board.It is compatible with any MXM graphics card, whether it is CLEVO MSI HP DELL or aetina and ZRT.

Where can you purchase the PCI-E to MXM board ?

[ssj92]

4 hours ago, Rengsey R. H. Jr. said:

Where can you purchase the PCI-E to MXM board ?

cheap one:

 

US $169.99 | For PCIE to MXM converter board, laptop to desktop graphics card, compatible with RTX, GTX, AMD graphics card
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mPjMcIe

 

nvidia certified one:

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/125664268501?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=_LxgfDnLRKa&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=ZgSh7VW9Rem&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[ssj92]

On 12/12/2022 at 1:30 AM, MS-16L13 said:

The first to get the 5500XT to output an edp signal was the developer of that adapter board.

I never receive reply from the developer. Does he read/write english? If not I can ask my chinese friend to submit email in chinese. 

[MS-16L13]

On 12/20/2022 at 12:02 PM, ssj92 said:

I never receive reply from the developer. Does he read/write english? If not I can ask my chinese friend to submit email in chinese. 

Maybe your email was blocked by his Chinese email. You can ask that MXM to nvme developer, he can also contact that MXM to PCIE developer.

[win32asmguy]

Attached is the Thinkpad P16 A4500 vbios.

p16a4500.zip

[ssj92]

Lenovo one is last hope. Interesting the chip sku is same as stock. (955-0 vs 955-1 on HP/Dell ones). The clocks are also a lot closer. This is the last chance. 

 

 

[win32asmguy]

I am unsure if the Lenovo A4500 module was some kind of MXM card, it does have an edge connector but obviously not the right form factor. The base TDP was 115W and dynamic boost was up to 130W.

 

[ssj92]

Didn't work , oh well. yes that is MXM just in a weird format. 

I will send card back .