VEGGIM Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 A Nvidia leak has revelaed that the rtx mobile series will be very more different than desktop compared to how 30 series was. 4090m ad103 4080TIm ad104 4070m ad106 4060ti/4060m ad107 Meanwhile for AMD, there has been leaks that the top-of-the-line 7000m series gpu is as powerful as a RTX 3090/6950 XT. No specs have been revealed or any power limits. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VEGGIM Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 There is also something else here: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee83 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 21 hours ago, VEGGIM said: There is also something else here: geez, were talking 50-60% of the 4090 desktop cuda cores and that at half to a third of the available TGP. might be performing like a 4070, if not worse... they might as well use the desktop counterpart names to stop confusing customers. but i get it, customer is happier when he has a "higher number" in his machine, even works on a lot of us here in the forum 😅 1 Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-24) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (TG High Perf. IHS) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / Seagate Firecuda 530 4 TB / 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4 TB / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black / Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro X Limited Edition My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-24) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meaker Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 On 10/23/2022 at 10:37 PM, jaybee83 said: geez, were talking 50-60% of the 4090 desktop cuda cores and that at half to a third of the available TGP. might be performing like a 4070, if not worse... they might as well use the desktop counterpart names to stop confusing customers. but i get it, customer is happier when he has a "higher number" in his machine, even works on a lot of us here in the forum 😅 The 4090 is on the ragged edge of scaling, for mobile scaling the TGP back to that point will put it in the efficiency sweet spot. Though the top card should just be a 4070ti mobile in name. 2 Louqe Ghost S1 case (Top hat and bottom extension) Nvidia RTX 4070 MSI twin fan 32" MSI 4k 160HZ IPS display AMD Ryzen 7 7700 cooled via Thermalright 240mm AIO 32GB (2x16) DDR5 6000 CL38 @ 6400 CL38, 1:1 mem controller, 2166Mhz F clock Asrock A620I Lighting motherboard 1TB SM961 nvme SSD + 2TB SN770 nvme 500W Silverstone SFX-L PSU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee83 Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 6 hours ago, Meaker said: The 4090 is on the ragged edge of scaling, for mobile scaling the TGP back to that point will put it in the efficiency sweet spot. Though the top card should just be a 4070ti mobile in name. exactly, they gotta follow the efficiency curve for mobile hardware, thats why its dumb for them to use the desktop naming. better go back to the "M" days or smth along those lines. 1 Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-24) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (TG High Perf. IHS) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / Seagate Firecuda 530 4 TB / 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4 TB / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black / Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro X Limited Edition My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-24) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1610ftw Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 On 11/12/2022 at 7:32 AM, jaybee83 said: exactly, they gotta follow the efficiency curve for mobile hardware, thats why its dumb for them to use the desktop naming. better go back to the "M" days or smth along those lines. Same chip but less power - understandable. Different chip but using the name of the top of the line GPU - disingenuous at best. I think we all agree that names matter and using the name of a GPU that in this generation may end up being twice as fast is getting ridiculous. And I will say again that in general there is a complete lack of ambition with regard to mobile products these days - how they did not even have the guts to up the TDP for this generation is beyond me. Even something like this would have made a nice difference when paired with the chipsets of the desktop cards: 4090 Mobile (AD102): up to 300W 4080 Mobile (AD103): up to 225W 4070 Ti Mobile (AD104): up to 150W No problem dissipating up to 400 or 450W for GPU and CPU in combined workloads with a proper vapor chamber solution and in fact cooling performance like that has been done before by Acer, Asus, Clevo and MSI. That would be more honest and if for some reason manufacturers think they cannot put the AD102 in a laptop they do not have to - in that case just do not offer a mobile 4090. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee83 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 14 hours ago, 1610ftw said: Same chip but less power - understandable. Different chip but using the name of the top of the line GPU - disingenuous at best. I think we all agree that names matter and using the name of a GPU that in this generation may end up being twice as fast is getting ridiculous. And I will say again that in general there is a complete lack of ambition with regard to mobile products these days - how they did not even have the guts to up the TDP for this generation is beyond me. Even something like this would have made a nice difference when paired with the chipsets of the desktop cards: 4090 Mobile (AD102): up to 300W 4080 Mobile (AD103): up to 225W 4070 Ti Mobile (AD104): up to 150W No problem dissipating up to 400 or 450W for GPU and CPU in combined workloads with a proper vapor chamber solution and in fact cooling performance like that has been done before by Acer, Asus, Clevo and MSI. That would be more honest and if for some reason manufacturers think they cannot put the AD102 in a laptop they do not have to - in that case just do not offer a mobile 4090. u forget one very important thing in these calculations: the machine cannot be THIN anymore! and, as we all know, this is the absolute most important aspect of all mobile machines 😛 2 Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-24) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (TG High Perf. IHS) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / Seagate Firecuda 530 4 TB / 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4 TB / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black / Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro X Limited Edition My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-24) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1610ftw Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 4 hours ago, jaybee83 said: u forget one very important thing in these calculations: the machine cannot be THIN anymore! and, as we all know, this is the absolute most important aspect of all mobile machines 😛 Oh no, forrgot about that, let me correct my mistake: 4090 MEGA (AD104): up to 125W 4080 ULTRA (AD105): up to 100W 4070 GIGA (AD106): up to 75W That should do it as long as we add enough RGB 😁 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KING19 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 On 11/15/2022 at 8:06 AM, 1610ftw said: Oh no, forrgot about that, let me correct my mistake: 4090 MEGA (AD104): up to 125W 4080 ULTRA (AD105): up to 100W 4070 GIGA (AD106): up to 75W That should do it as long as we add enough RGB 😁 Perfect calculations! 😁 Dont forget about the soldiered RAM!. Fits well with the future of gaming laptops. Current Laptop: Lenovo Legion 5: AMD Ryzen 7 4800H 2.8Ghz (Boost: 4.2Ghz), 6GB Nvidia Geforce GTX 1660Ti GDDR6 Memory, 15.6" FHD (1920 x 1080) 144Hz IPS display, 32GB 3200MHz DDR4 memory, 512GB M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD, 1 TB Teamgroup MP34 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD, Windows 10 Home 22H2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee83 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 On 11/17/2022 at 11:36 PM, KING19 said: Perfect calculations! 😁 Dont forget about the soldiered RAM!. Fits well with the future of gaming laptops. oh oh, wait! i got another one! - soldered power cable - soldered display connection - soldered keyboard - abandon any and all ports, go fully wireless the future looks grand! /s Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-24) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (TG High Perf. IHS) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / Seagate Firecuda 530 4 TB / 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4 TB / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black / Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro X Limited Edition My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-24) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullit Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 You forgot: rent only. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VEGGIM Posted November 20, 2022 Author Share Posted November 20, 2022 On 11/14/2022 at 1:17 PM, 1610ftw said: Same chip but less power - understandable. Different chip but using the name of the top of the line GPU - disingenuous at best. I think we all agree that names matter and using the name of a GPU that in this generation may end up being twice as fast is getting ridiculous. And I will say again that in general there is a complete lack of ambition with regard to mobile products these days - how they did not even have the guts to up the TDP for this generation is beyond me. Even something like this would have made a nice difference when paired with the chipsets of the desktop cards: 4090 Mobile (AD102): up to 300W 4080 Mobile (AD103): up to 225W 4070 Ti Mobile (AD104): up to 150W No problem dissipating up to 400 or 450W for GPU and CPU in combined workloads with a proper vapor chamber solution and in fact cooling performance like that has been done before by Acer, Asus, Clevo and MSI. That would be more honest and if for some reason manufacturers think they cannot put the AD102 in a laptop they do not have to - in that case just do not offer a mobile 4090. Question. What laptops have existed that put out 300w on a single gpu die. There's a reason why the highest performing laptops back then was SLI. It was easier to manage heat by having 2 die's help with the laptop. At this point for the 300w thing to even work you would need that liquid cooling shenanigan. There is also no standard oems need to follow for least amount of wattage combined on load. Nor on temps and wattage. The way how laptops have different kinds of design dreams for different oems make this impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee83 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Bullit said: You forgot: rent only. aaah yes! basic display with wifi adapter connected to servers that do the actual computing. chomebooks FTW 😄 Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-24) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (TG High Perf. IHS) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / Seagate Firecuda 530 4 TB / 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4 TB / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black / Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro X Limited Edition My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-24) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullit Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 45 minutes ago, VEGGIM said: Question. What laptops have existed that put out 300w on a single gpu die. There's a reason why the highest performing laptops back then was SLI. It was easier to manage heat by having 2 die's help with the laptop. At this point for the 300w thing to even work you would need that liquid cooling shenanigan. There is also no standard oems need to follow for least amount of wattage combined on load. Nor on temps and wattage. The way how laptops have different kinds of design dreams for different oems make this impossible. Indeed My 3060 draws 130w and heats to 70ºC My 5800H draws 80w and heats to 95ºC Die size matters, too much concentrated stuff cannot be cooled cheaply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1610ftw Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 25 minutes ago, VEGGIM said: Question. What laptops have existed that put out 300w on a single gpu die. There's a reason why the highest performing laptops back then was SLI. It was easier to manage heat by having 2 die's help with the laptop. At this point for the 300w thing to even work you would need that liquid cooling shenanigan. There is also no standard oems need to follow for least amount of wattage combined on load. Nor on temps and wattage. The way how laptops have different kinds of design dreams for different oems make this impossible. Wattage for all cards would be max wattage, obviously manufacturers could choose to support less. The 4090 die would scale very well straight up to 300W so if a manufacturer finds a way to make it possible they will come out on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VEGGIM Posted November 21, 2022 Author Share Posted November 21, 2022 2 hours ago, 1610ftw said: Wattage for all cards would be max wattage, obviously manufacturers could choose to support less. The 4090 die would scale very well straight up to 300W so if a manufacturer finds a way to make it possible they will come out on top. If im correct we call that dynamic boost. The issue is the moment we get that thinkness in a laptop is workstation level. But if the thickness gets to the point where you could find an itx console type system thickness, you start to have problems with the exception of not having a battery. No matter what you do you cannot break the laws of therodynamics. They will be obeyed wheter anyone likes it or not. The reason why the thin and light market is starting to exist ore and more cuz alot of programs now that people are using don't need massive amounts of power and arent benchmark obsessed. The only way people would go back to wanting more thicker laptops, if for some strange reason most programs started to become obsessive unefficient power hogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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