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Funnily enough, if one buys Lossless Scaling for $7, you can get MFG on any GPU. You can even use the program to bring back the days of SLI/Crossfire with it's dual GPU mode! The software suites locked behind either Nvidia's or AMD's products do not add any value to their products. They're technologies that should and can work on any GPU, proven by this nifty little program. Supposedly Lossless Scaling frame gen also runs better on an AMD card than a Nvidia one. I don't know if that's completely true, but that's what I've heard. It makes sense given AMD cards typically have very good theoretical compute capabilities.

Yep, AMD's performance these days screams. This is the reason I've switched over to only using AMD GPUs. Nvidia's drivers have a CPU side bottleneck that holds your framerate back. My how the tables have turned. This kinda stuff seems cyclical. We had Intel/Nvidia be the go to combo in the past, now it's full AMD. They'll continue leapfrogging each other. The great thing is, we get increasingly more powerful toys! I don't have any brand loyalty, but I sure am a fanboy of whoever has the best stuff at the time.

Bartlett Lake confirmed! Looks like we won't have to go to Xeon CPUs to escape the E-core madness after all! https://wccftech.com/intel-confirms-nova-lake-s-nova-lake-u-p-core-only-bartlett-lake-s-desktops-panther-lake-laptops/

This is the phenomenon of the "Intelligent Idiot". It's a very strange phenomenon where some otherwise intelligent people double down on their position even when they've been proven wrong because they cannot accept that they're wrong. Some highly intelligent individuals are also higly out of touch with reality.

Interesting video. I wonder what causes the drastic differences in 1% lows to flip flop depending on the game. I'm guessing it has something to do with inter-CCD latencies and the fact that not both CCDs have the 3D VCache, which in my opinion is a bad idea. Homogeneous designs yield the highest performance. So looks like for Intel to reclaim the performance crown, they need to do 2 things: 1. Add their own version of 3D Vcache underneath their CPU cores (I believe they have something similar to that, which they call Adamantine cache) 2. Get rid of the stupid E-cores and make all cores P-cores. I don't get the point of the E-cores. All they do is reduce performance for the most part, so I leave them turned off since leaving the E-cores turned off significantly increases my performance in pretty much everything, with games getting the biggest boost. I only had one case when using my 14900KF where they increased performance, and performance didn't increase by that much. Tripling your core count to get only a 17% increase in performance is an insanely bad ROI in relation to the amount of extra cores (yes, I know the core types don't have the same processing power, but even assuming the E-cores are half the processing power of the P-cores, it's still a very bad performance increase in relation to the number of extra cores). Intel's server class Xeon CPUs have all P-cores and they perform great due to not being shackled by E-cores. No weird scheduling shenanigans. Since Intel doesn't seem to want to ditch their E-core idea, we may have to move to their server class CPUs to escape the E-core insanity.

It makes a big difference now if you have Lossless Scaling. You can use one GPU for rendering the game and then a second GPU for frame gen. It's awesome, and is the best $7 I ever spent on any software. We're bringing back the days of SLI and Crossfire with this nifty little program!

Yup, I can attest to this. My DDR4 kit I have in my older desktop (with the super bin 10900K from bro Fox) can do 4400 MHz CL 15 with default XMP subtimings as long as I have my Noctua IPPC fans blowing on the sticks at max RPM (3000 RPM). If I use lesser fans, the sticks aren't stable even with the normal 4000 MHz XMP profile as the RAM can't be kept cool enough to not error out. No wonder the previous owner waterblocked these sticks. The 4000 MHz CL 14 kit costed double what this kit did at the time I bought this kit, so I went with this kit instead and am still satisfied with having the second best. It looks like it can definitely still be pushed further with better cooling. I typically do 4200 MHz as a daily driver speed as that is the best compromise between performance and stability (barring better cooling). A 5% overclock over XMP isn't bad given it was a brute force approach and I'm not experienced with RAM overclocking.

I'd buy one of these if I hadn't already bought a 14900KF from you last November. That thing is awesome. Bro Fox is an awesome seller. You can buy with confidence from him as you will get exactly what you paid for. He will also make sure you get what you paid for. As a result, I scavenge used hardware from him like a vulture when something is available.

Now that's a real laptop! We need Clevo to make something like that.

I'd have to argue against your assertion that the P870's second GPU slot is not of much use nowadays, as dual GPU configs are having quite the revival right now due to Lossless Scaling being able to utilize 2 GPUs to render any game. The caveat is that this pseudo SLI/Crossfire revival is only amongst technical users, not the general public. Additionally, there are productivity workflows that benefit from multi GPU configs such as lightmap baking, scientific computing, and video rendering just to list a few. Admittedly, these tasks are better performed on multi GPU desktops, but a multi GPU laptop is a boon for people like me who want or need all our compute power everywhere we go. For the general public though, your statement does in fact hold true. I'm making an argument on a great degree of technicality here, and it really only applies to a niche set of users. I don't think the general public has really ever been interested in multi GPU configs due to the cost. However, the P870 is definitely a laptop oriented towards more technical users, so I think the multi GPU capability is still very much useful. I believe a dual RTX 3080 MXM laptop would have a little more GPU compute or similar GPU compute to the current top dog RTX 5090 laptop. Having said that, I like the X170 a lot as well. It has the best speakers I've ever heard in a laptop and has VERY good CPU side cooling capabilities. I'd really like multi GPU laptops to make a return to the market. They're awesome. Apparently it may even be possible to get a 40 series core working on a 30 series MXM board according to Khenglish, so it'll be interesting to see where that goes. Dual RTX 4090 P870? That would be a sight to see.

I love blower fan cards! Although they're louder than axial fans, the noise doesn't bother me as it's not a high pitched whine. Blower fan cards also tend to be the cheaper models too (yay!), and they exhaust heat directly out of my case instead of dumping the heat inside. That's the reason I prefer them. Also, blower fan cards are only 2 slots which makes it easier for me to build out multi GPU configurations.

Unfortunately, Doom: The Dark Ages is artificially demanding. It forces ray tracing, and you can't turn it off. If you ask me, it doesn't look any better than Doom Eternal while costing significantly more performance to render. This is a significant regression in their game design as it doesn't make sense to use ray tracing for static environments. Baked shadows would've been much better. The thing is, as a game developer myself, I actually have insight into this kind of stuff unlike regular players, so I know what's really needed and what isn't. I understand the team behind the game wanted to focus resources on making more levels, and that's great, but one of the selling points of Doom games were how easy they were to run despite how good they looked. Optimization went down the toilet with this release. Having said that, I still want to play the game as I'm a big fan of Doom, but now I need more powerful hardware again to reach my framerate target. It doesn't seem necessary for the game to cost so much performance to render though given what they achieved with the previous 2 installments. Hopefully we get a mod that allows us to turn all the raytracing crap off. Seriously, it doesn't take that much effort to bake shadows on levels. It's an automated process, and you just have to let it run its course. Games run much faster with baked shadows. Rasterization will always yield superior performance, which is one of the most important things to consider with realtime interactive software like video games. If you can use baked shadows, you do that. If you have a static environment, use baked shadows. Raytraced shadows only make sense for dynamic environments where you can destroy stuff in the game world. In regards to video game graphics in general, we're at a point of seriously diminishing returns. We need improvements in gameplay a lot more than pushing raytracing in every game.

I saw the posts in that thread. I don't think these cards will work in the X170SM-G, but I'd like to be proven wrong. Looks like we'll need custom heatsinks to start with as the X170 models use the custom bigger Clevo form factor MXM modules rather than the classic MXM type A or type B modules.

How does the Cryofuze compare to Phobya Nanogrease Extreme? Are they about the same? Phobya Nanogrease Extreme is the only paste I've been able to use in laptops without it pumping out.