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2 hours ago, electrosoft said:
All I want is an 18" laptop with full BIOS control and at least a 5070ti+ with a super beefy cooling system and space to mod.....am I asking too much? 🤣
To be completely honest that is a tough one. I also tested out the Micro Center Raider 18 with 285HX, 5090m and 1600p 240hz. While it does have the advanced bios available I ran into issues with its audio getting distorted under combined loads, very high temperatures (over 110C on the stock system memory) and eventual crashes under load that needed an EC reset to recover. Maybe just a bad sample? Maybe single rank memory would run cooler or just something about the Micron 32GB modules? Although I found many others had similar issues on MSI's Global Forums with 2025 Intel Vector/Raider/Titan models...
Today's project has been turning the media center back into a gaming machine for use on our 4k living room TV for my wife. We picked up one of those Midnight edition 5070 GPU's at Micro Center which seems to perform fine. With the 285K in 200S boost mode with the 48GB memory at 8000 CL40 WoW we are seeing 100fps running around Silvermoon without RT enabled. I need to find a nicer looking ATX case that has space for 3x3.5 inch HDDs and preferably a single 5.25 inch Bluray drive. The Fractal Design Define R7 XL is far too big for the space we have available under the TV.
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7 minutes ago, electrosoft said:
Did you ever give Smokeless a try on your Alienware 18 or Dell Max 18 before sending them back? How much flexibility do you have on your Lenovo? I really wish they had an 18" version of the Hydro. 😞
I'm content with my Alienware 18 275hx/5070ti primarily because it was free so bang for buck is undetermined since buck == 0; 🤣 I haven't had much time to play around with it lately though.
Yeah, UMAF did work with both the A51 18 and Dell Pro Max 18 Plus. Sometimes it would freeze or fail to apply settings though so you have keep trying if something did not stick. Just be aware that with any later bios update Dell may write-protect the EFI setup variable region which effectively disables modifying any hidden settings.
With the Legion 9i SREP worked on the shipping bios but none of the updates. NGU and D2D can be adjusted but on this one memory timing changes always fail to train. Its basically stuck at 5200MT CL38 Dual Rank (the 64GB Kingston Fury kit). M-die also worked at 5600MT but timings were much worse than the Kingston kit.
There will be an 18 inch Uniwill chassis but this year it only gets up to 5070 mobile. Next year its supposed to have better GPU options according to Prema, so Eluktronics should end up carrying it.
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On 3/24/2026 at 11:31 AM, electrosoft said:
Mobile wise, I'm curious to see what 290hx plus brings to the table as it is rumored to have 10-15% more performance than the 275/285hx variants but that will come down to the supporting rig around the engine as always. Difference between the 275hx in my Acer Neo 16s and the 275hx in my Alienware 18 is night and day.
I think its supposed to be 30x NGU and D2D, 40x Ring. My 275HX in the Hydroc G2 can do that easily with Premamod, but the real advantage comes from memory tuning. I have seen a few post sub-80ns AIDA64 scores, but I find heat is a big limitation on combined load stability so realistically for me 85ns is the best it can do on air with reasonable ambient temperatures.
I think the A51 18 could do better temperature wise with the memory as the modules sit on the side opposite of the vapor chamber. You would have to use Smokeless UMAF to modify timings and test. Sadly max MT would be somewhat limited compared to even a mediocre desktop board as you cannot adjust VDD2 up beyond 1.1v (except on the Hydroc G2 with Premamod).
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1 hour ago, MiSJAH said:
Is the 250W limit achievable with the Premamod BIOS and without the hardware shunt mod?
The 250W limit is on the CPU. So far as I know there is no GPU shunt mod on the Eluktronics Hydroc G2 other than the one that was made for Gizmosliptech's youtube video review.
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12 hours ago, PHVM_BR said:
I have tREFI = 24576
To achieve 84ns I have:
NGU = 3.0GHz
D2D = 3.1GHz
Cache = 4.0GHz
For me, overclock the ring to 4.0GHz decreased the latency by ~2ns.
Is it possible to get the Premamod BIOS without an Eluktronics laptop?
I messaged Prema about this, but haven't received a response...
I really want the higher power limit (250W vs 210W), as well as the extra adjustment options.
So far I have found that increasing Cache to 4.0Ghz actually increased latency. There is a VF Curve applied by default, but Cache overclocking only works with VF offset and needs higher voltage to be stable.
I think its only offered for Eluktronics laptops. From what I was told Bootguard is enabled by default with most OEMs so flashing an unsigned bios would not boot regardless. I was even told to not load the XMG bios (while I was waiting for Premamod to become available) as that would fuse Bootguard and lock out any modded bios on that motherboard going forward.
I cannot even take advantage of the 250W limit without the liquid cooling addon, but do appreciate all of the other adjustment options. As it stands I think yours still has better latency number than mine, and I have yet to even approach the sub-80ns range I have seen from Legion 7i Pro G10 users.
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7 hours ago, PHVM_BR said:
I achieved a stable 6400MT/s CL36-39-39-54 at 1.3V.
I tried 6800MT/s at 1.35V but it didn't POST. I stopped there...
With single-rank memory, 7200 or 7600MT/s at 1.35V should be easily achievable.
Out of curiousity what are you running for tREFI at 6400MT to get 84ns in Aida64?
I currently have my 2x16GB A-die kit at 6400 38-40-40-80, tREFI 24k, NGU & D2D 30x, Ring 38x which results in around 88ns in Aida64.
I also have a 2x24GB M-die kit which can do 7200 at similar timings but I have not long term stability tested it in combined loads, especially given that I do not use the watercooling addon so memory temps have been observed up to 87C. It can do a bit better in Aida64, around 85ns.
I did get the final Premamod bios recently so its tuning capabilities are better than the stock bios along with updated microcode and other throttling fixes.
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1 hour ago, electrosoft said:
Nice! Got to play around with it for almost a year and a bit of pocket change for more toys. Can't ask for more than that.
Did you try G4 just to rule out the CPU and focus on the memory and to a degree MB? I did that just to make sure I could lock down the memory as far as the Strix would let me go and it topped out at 9066 G4 but that is what the Strix is rated, so there's that. That was with Memtest, TM5 and OCCT.
I know at first glance those Corsair sticks wouldn't even boot and when I finally got them to boot they were problematic at 8200-8400 till I did what always ends up happening and just meticulously hand tuning them. How were the temps over 8400? That might be entering the land of needing a dedicated RAM cooler or janky 120mm/140mm fan over it to keep temps at bay.
Did you order the epic edition of WoW? I usually pick it up so I can get 2-3 days of play before the unwashed masses come rushing in and gunk things up.
Yeah I do not think I have ever made money on a computer part like that. When I eventually get around to selling the 4x16GB RDIMMs for the Xeon I will probably make some good money on those too.
I cannot remember if I tried G4 but I doubt it. The sticks do not have any extra fans over them although the Apex was supposed to have some kind of ram fan kit that I never installed. I guess with the GPU removed then case temps are probably much better under load now.
What I really want to do is get the RAM tuned in the Hydroc G2 so its sub-80ns but that has been hard as its hit a wall around 84ns regardless of bumping NGU / D2D / Ring. 7200 is the limit when using MsHybrid as the iGPU has glitches above those speeds for some reason. tREFI also has to be at 24k as the memory modules get up to 87C under OCCT combined load stress tests. CL34 works in Windows when adjusted but does not give any noticable improvement in latency when tested.
I have not ordered the epic edition but thought about it. I will miss when the midnight pre-patch event ends as its been a good testing ground to jump into for a raid-like load any time of day. I guess there will always be world bosses and I have far too many alts now after running Legion Remix.
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On 2/20/2026 at 10:31 PM, electrosoft said:
Whoa, you sold your 5090? I guess it makes sense considering you game at 1440p which keeps consistency across your desktop and laptop 1440p displays. In WoW, so much performance is left on the table at 1440p with a 5090. My wife games at 1440p and the 9070xt is near perfect for that at Ultra RT Max, but if given a choice I'd go with a 5070ti depending on price. Hope you got a good price for it.
Did you ever tune and push those V-color 9600 sticks? Those should slot in nicely for Nova....
You're the second to sell off their primary/only 5090 so far. You and @tps3443. I wonder if he kept his Acer laptop or sold that too?
Yeah, got $2900 for it which is about $500 more than I paid a year ago. 1440p was definitely holding it back. For now I will just run my desktop as iGPU only which works fine for what I am actually using it for.
All that I ended up using on the Vcolor kit was 8400 C40 as beyond that was unstable and I could not pinpoint what was causing the issue. iGPU may be an issue now with the higher MT as well.
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23 hours ago, Talon said:
Are you on the latest BIOS? I updated last week and got around to tuning it a bit more. I've found on the latest BIOS, I can now tune VNNAON manually without issue, maybe I always could and never tried. I thought I remember it causing instability when touched around launch and I never tried again. Now latest BIOS, I can push D2D up to max 40x without issue, stable. I just can't use the Asus auto voltage for VNNAON. This sample needs 1.12v instead of auto 1.012v. I had a 285K that could do 40x auto voltage, but P cores were just ever so slightly worse so I kept this 38x-39x auto chip. Now I've been testing and using 40x for a couple days and it's having zero issues. Sure it doesn't amount to much, but more mental wanting to max it out lol.
It's honestly a shame Intel has killed off 1851 entirely and 270K Plus will be all they release. My guess with same crap 40x limitations in place. Panther Lake has a very high D2D apparently and they've fixed the latency issues.
Is that 285K that could do D2D 40x at auto voltage the one you sold me? I have not done much tuning with it sadly and will probably not end stretching it much. But it is still a major uplift compared to the 12900KS I used before especially with encoding jobs. It can even outperform the 24 P-core Xeon 2495X in certain tasks that could not multithread well beyond 8 P-cores. I sold my 5090 a few weeks ago as well as I still do most of my gaming on my laptop (which I am now testing out Prema's bios which has been really fun). I have even tested out my 32GB M-die kit which is XMP 6400 CL32. Obiously not as great as the 48GB M-die which would do 8400 CL40 out of the box. I need to bench my encoding jobs and see if the faster memory speeds them up. Then again if I want Nova Lake later this year the faster memory would probably pair better with it.
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16 hours ago, OneSunOne said:
Thanks! Yes, I have the RTX 4000 Blackwell GPU. I've disabled it but still experience the same issue. Do you think the ACPI.sys error points to a hardware or software issue?
I've attached the LatencyMon results after disabling the Nvidia GPU.
Try enabling "Block S3 Sleep" in the bios and see if that helps. It disables most of the ACPI code pathways for modern standby so if something is getting hung up trying to transition between power states it may help.
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On 1/16/2026 at 1:50 AM, electrosoft said:
Take away? On X3D, WoW doesn't give a crap what speed you run your memory or settings at 4k Ultra....
Fallout on the other hand prefers 8000......
Any difference at 1600p Ultra? Have you tested the 265K with WoW to see if the same holds true? Is this bottleneck usually observable if neither the CPU or GPU are thermal throttling but also not at maxed utilization (or no P-cores at max turbo clocks)? I have seen that happen often on the Legion 9i G10 with memory capped at 5200 CL38.
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19 minutes ago, electrosoft said:
Nice! The wonderful thing is you have a lot left in the tank with that memory for further performance gains / optimizations. 25% more fps is a pretty massive upswing over a 12900ks. How are the 1%/.1%? Did you enable 200S boost only? Have you tried @Talon's manual OC settings on the 285k yet?
25% is comparing the 1% lows. The average and max fps is absurdly high. 300-400 maybe? Its less on the 5090 mobile but does not matter as WoW is enjoyable at 120fps for me as long as it is consistent.
200S boost only last night as I had to first backup data on the Optane drive, then build the Apex + 285K and get it installed, then reinstall W10, apps and WoW.
I do want to try out Talon's settings as well. The power is out today due to high winds / fire risk so may have to wait until tomorrow.
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On 12/15/2025 at 7:28 PM, electrosoft said:
Unfortunately my "local" MC (local = 70min drive) never had them in stock even at the $399.99 price quoted before. 😞
They do have the Z890 Maximus for $399.99 but....eh.....
I'm hoping this $176 Stix-A with all the subsequent BIOS updates will get 'er done. I'll make sure to drop down to G4 just in case it fails in G2 to remove the 265k from the equation if the first stab at G2 fails.
Dream scenario is these 9200 sticks and the strix can do 8600-9000 so I can focus on the CPU and a few potential 265k binning or 270k/290k binning.
If the Strix-A is the problem it will be sent back and I'll have to pick up something a bit stronger....
Sheesh, that took forever but glad it arrived safe and sound. Let us know how it goes.
Ah, there is one in stock at the Denver store (also a 60min drive for me) but it appears to be out of stock at most other locations.
I got the Z890 Apex + 285K swapped today. Enabled 200S boost for now which resulted in around 42k in CBR23 and 71.5ns in AIDA64 (8000 CL40). Also getting over 110fps in heavy raids so it is already outperforming the 12900KS by 25% (90fps), the L9i G10 by 100% (55ps) and Hydroc G2 (D2D 30x, NGU 26x, 6400 CL52 trefi 16k) by 25% (90fps).
I need to run the Hydroc G2 through the same as well to see where it lands.It can be tuned but still no word on the Prema bios being available despite it being 6 months after release.From what I read on OCN the Strix is supposed to be a very good alternative to the Apex.
I need to get an M.2 adapter for my Optane drive so I can attach it to CPU PCIe lanes instead of PCH.
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47 minutes ago, electrosoft said:
I have till Jan 31st to return the Strix. When my new 9200 sticks arrive, I'll be putting the Strix to task asap.
Micro Center also has the Z890 Apex for ~$294. The Unify would be nice but its a lot of trouble to change around boards unless there is a good benefit to it.
The Z890 Apex + 285K I bought from Talon was finally delivered today. Hopefully can test out this evening!
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20 hours ago, electrosoft said:
It will remove memory sticks from the equation basically especially with that Apex and 285k and knowing how high @Talon was able to run it with his 9600 sticks in G2. Tuned 8600 is a massive uplift over 6400.
Yeah. I have been starting to read through the Arrow Lake thread over at OCN. Sounds like G4 is needed over 9000 and its not worth it unless you can really push NGU further. I do not recall what @Talon tested his NGU to clock at but I am guessing 36 should be obtainable. Hopefully all of this can run ok on air only.
A bios update came through on the Legion 9i G10 recently which fixed a few bugs with the shipping bios, but sadly SREP no longer works so tuning D2D is not possible (yet) on that version.
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10 hours ago, Talon said:
LMAO, you’re toast!
I also have the 9600 GSkillz 2x24gb set that was very briefly offered. They’re Gear 4 XMP which is annoying. But I just use the very tuned Apex profile for 8600 CL38. It’s pretty epic as it’s tuned extremely well and no real FAFO needed. I set 1.4 IMC and 1.3v VCCSA as auto is wild high.
Also I’ll be binning some 290Ks, at least a few. How’s your 265K? Can it do 40x D2D? The chip I sent @win32asmguy is a 40x D2D chip.
I picked up the other 9600 kit this seller had after @electrosoft gave me the heads up. I figured it would pair better with the 285k than the 2x16gb 6400 cl32 kit I have now.
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40 minutes ago, electrosoft said:
12900k was a beast. 14900ks in WoW end game form (59/45/50) on the wife's system is beastly too but even it can't handle the load on Dorongal when heavily populated and fps dip down and utilization drops quick even on her 9070xt at 1440p ultra settings rt high. I'll have to watch her raid next time to see how it's performing comparatively with all the new driver and WoW updates that have drastically increased 9070xt performance in WoW from launch where it didn't work at all meaningfully to working very well to now routinely capping out her fps even in Tazevesh 1440p Ultra/RT 165hz display.
Ouch, I'm kicking myself for not picking up a few more of those..... memory wise even your 12900ks probably has more in the tank as my launch 12900k towards the end when tested on some 8000 sticks on an Asrock Z790i Lightning gave up the ghost at 7200. To really get Ultra to shine, you're probably going to need much faster memory at least 8000 but with current pricing? Ugh...
How are the temps on your laptops when gaming at those settings? What specs?
The dips are interesting. Not that the remix raids are particularly challenging as the game mode is pretty broken but its just more enjoyable to have performance consistent.
I could pick up a 2x24GB 8800 CL42 Teamgroup CUDIMM kit from Micro Center for $550. I do have a bunch of laptop memory that may fetch more money now.
Legion 9i G10 - 275HX at 58W and 5090 at 150W combined load, not really overheating as it can go up 300W combined loads. I need to just give it 100W on the 275HX as WoW could probably use more TDP. Its also severly limited on memory compatibility. The Kingston Fury 2x32GB kit is the only performance memory that works, and only up to 5200 CL38. No custom profiles or XMP profiles can post. That results in AIDA64 latency of around 105-110ns with Gear2, boosted D2D and NGU. Not great but still far better than the X580 could do. The Hydroc G2 can do better with memory latency but its also the smaller screen, and much more loud and much hotter palm rest.
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3 hours ago, tps3443 said:
I did not shunt mod it, was going to few months ago but got lazy on the idea, I just flashed it to another 175w 4090 bios . The stock bios was just really weak. Unfortunately with Windows SDR on, it broke my screens brightness controls in Windows and on keyboard. So I have to leave Windows Auto HDR on all the time to control brightness now, since SDR brightness is too dim and turning it up does not work. May have to try another bios. But for the first time ever, auto HDR actually looks useable.
Not really sure why it’s faster. I have been on 581.94 hot fix for a few days now.I have the clevo x370 4090 bios if you would like to try it!
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5 hours ago, electrosoft said:
I know @win32asmguy is just as much into WoW as I am, so I am really curious to see how much smoother the Ultra can handle WoW and how it stacks up against the 9800X3D and 14900KS (wifey's gonna be mad when I "borrow" her rig a few nights to do some testing with the 5090 🙂 ). I know what the 14900KS already brings in Raids and PvP which is a better handling of the .01% especially.
I have done remix raid world tours on the 12900KS + 5090 and it can usually hold 90 fps even in the really heavy fights at QHD. I am guessing it is still CPU limited albeit better than the 2495X could do.
I never picked up that team group 2x24gb kit back when y'all recommended it so I will have to tune my a-die 2x16gb on the 285k instead. Hopefully can find good starting point timings as it only has XMP at 6400 C32. Hoping it can keep a stable 120fps in the 1% lows as that is the refresh rate on a new display with kvm I am testing.
The laptops are all basically a lag fest in the raids at those same settings...
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On 11/27/2025 at 1:13 PM, MyPC8MyBrain said:
You bought a 2025 mobile workstation. A healthy system should bring up PCIe cleanly on the first try and never drop the panel without leaving a proper error trail. This isn’t about drivers or storage population. This is a foundation problem, and the correct path is replacement, not shipping your only unit away for over a week.
I have seen WHEA error 17 on multiple other Arrow Lake systems including the Eluktronics Hydroc G2 and Lenovo Legion 9i Gen 10. Supposedly setting PCIe Power State Management to disabled in the bios could fix this but I have not tested that.
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On 11/23/2025 at 8:20 AM, MyPC8MyBrain said:
Smart move i will most likely follow suit as well!
Given the current market landscape, the Legion 9i Gen 10 really is the only logical replacement for what used to be Dell’s flagship class, and it proves how redundant and outdated ISV only configurations have become.
I’d love to see a proper head-to-head comparison in a non legacy, non OpenGL workflow. Better yet, even bring in a legacy ISV certified task and run them side-by-side. That would make the reality obvious very quickly.
What Dell seems to overlook is that the workstation market has changed.
ISV only configurations made sense 15-20 years ago, but today they’re a niche. Most modern workflows don’t benefit from ISV drivers at all, many are actually slowed down by them.
That’s why systems like the Legion 9i exist: they offer workstation class performance without forcing you into an ISV locked GPU stack that’s irrelevant for 90% of real-world users.
If Dell wants to stay competitive in the high-end mobile space, they need to bring back configuration flexibility, ISV when it’s needed, GeForce when it’s not. Forcing everyone into one certification path doesn’t reflect the reality of today’s workloads.
Good job Dell, the operation was a success, but the patient didn’t survive.I was disappointed when the 5090 mobile GPU option was dropped from the Pro Max Plus lineup. It seems like Nvidia may be the one responsible here as the T16g G3 has not been released yet either so it could be a play to boost 4000/5000 Blackwell mobile sales.
The Legion happened to be the best choice for a consumer model 18 inch for me. Its warranty and repairability is worse than the Pro Max 18 Plus but I would be selling and upgrading before the warranty expires with either machine.
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20 hours ago, Easa said:
Why have you returned the the machine ? Care to elaborate please?
The battery drain under load was a big issue for me. It cannot actually sustain 200W as it needs to draw down the battery at 20W per hour to do so.
I really just wanted an 18 inch version of this years uniwill chassis. As it turns out the legion 9 g10 is much closer to that. It also has even better build quality than the pro max 18 plus along with a 1200p panel mode which works much better for me when docked at my desk.
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19 hours ago, MyPC8MyBrain said:
I have the MB16250, MB18250, AA16250, and AA18250 all spec’d to the max, but I still can’t bring myself to pull the trigger on any of them. Every one of these new units feels compromised in one way or another. The MB16250 is probably the least compromised, but based on past experience its thermals are still weaker than the MB18250—and that one comes with the odd tall screen ratio that I’m not sold on.
I also looked at the AA16250 and AA18250. Hardware baseline is solid, but Dell removed every bit of modularity these platforms used to have. That alone is a huge step backward. And the configuration pages now look unprofessional and borderline insulting. The way they structure component options feels deliberate—almost as if they assume no one notices.
For example, they list a single 16GB or 32GB module supposedly running in “dual-channel,” yet they offer no 2×8GB or 2×16GB options, not even a basic single 8GB stick. Everything is pushed toward unnecessary upgrades and more expensive configurations that absolutely don’t need to be forced.
or they intentionally omit the top Intel CPU options from the AA16250/AA18250 lineup entirely.
How does that make any sense except for ‘going green’ on their cost structure?
What a sad state of affairs. For the first time ever, I’m seriously considering buying the discontinued 7780 instead.
Well if you are going for a Pro Max 16 Plus it might have less of a battery drain issue under load as it is capped at 170W instead of 200W. Then just repaste the cooling system with PTM7950 and better VRAM putty.
I returned the Pro Max 18 Plus and opted for a Legion 9i Gen 10 instead. Its been a great machine and definitely the best 18 inch model I have used. Its a shame they did not offer a 1600p panel option in addition to the dual mode 1200p/2400p as that is what most people would want to use. I can even run 2x32GB at 5200MT CL38 in Gear2 and get close to 100ns memory latency with D2D and NGU overclocks.
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I did not have issues with the micron 3500 512gb SSD included with my Pro max, but I also used W10 so maybe that helped with avoiding the SSD issues posted above.
I also have a 4tb sn8100 which has worked well in the hydroc g2 but I did not test it in the pro Max.
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Actually, after I took the MSI back to micro center they asked if I wanted to exchange for anything so I got one of their open box a51-18 with the 5090.
After I got that one home and a few tools installed I found that it came with dual rank hynix a-die csodimms. I want to see what those sticks can do, maybe even testing them out in the hydroc g2 which is easier to tune memory with. I also can confirm that UMAF still works with the latest 2.xx bios and have had D2D and NGU running at a more proper 30x. The memory modules also peaked at 90C when running OCCT. Much cooler than the MSI raider 18 and closer to what I see with the hydroc using single rank modules.
The midnight dark edition card is definitely a looker. I'd need to get a riser to show it off in the case as well but it may look a bit goofy contrasted with the white pcb z890 apex. Next id probably end up looking for a deal on a z890 unify or something...
I don't know how she can keep up with all of the weekly activities. I barely have time to get my daily knowledge points and try to get enough stuff completed to get some hero track gear.