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Clevo X580 TBA at CES 2025 - 18", 4+4 drives and memory, 2xTB5
Sniffy replied to 1610ftw's topic in Sager & Clevo
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 Gaming Laptop with Intel Core Ultra 9 275HX LN155605 - 3XS16PL5090 | SCAN UK X560 230W AC X580 330W AC X560 is 355.8(W) x 271(D) x 19.9(H) mm / 2.3kg with an 80WHr battery. TGP of the 5090 is 150W same as the X580 -
Clevo X580 TBA at CES 2025 - 18", 4+4 drives and memory, 2xTB5
Sniffy replied to 1610ftw's topic in Sager & Clevo
Weight and Z-height look like X370 which was 3.44KG and 25mm (according to NotebookCheck). I hope they've done more than just add LEDs. -
Glad you're enjoying it. It's a great machine and sadly the last of its kind. It's getting harder to justify unfortunately, as newer thin and lights are faster now. The sudden shutdowns that people were experiencing seemed isolated to heavy loads, and yeah, some people were affected worse than others while others didn't have issues at all. There were some theories that it related to fan control and such. One thing I'm not sure about is whether people with 10900Ks in the KM-G were also affected, or if it's a Rocket Lake issue only.
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Aah yes I meant it's looking less likely this upgradable notebook will be Clevo or Tongfang. What gives me hope is that they announced only a few models so hopefully there is more to come. If Clevo or Tongfang aren't releasing an upgradable notebook I'm not sure who else on that list it would be. Dellienware seems unlikely so you're left with Lenovo? More upgradeable models from Framework? My other guess would have been MSI but they've already announced. Would be sad if Jarrod has just misheard or been fed bad info...
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XMG have announced some BGA stuff too. Only a few models so hopefully more to come, but looking less likely to be Clevo or TongFang.
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Possibly a few options too!! Curious about which vendors have decided to do this. He basically says that upgradable CPUs and GPUs in laptops could be making a return and stuff will be announced at Computex (next week). Just a 10 second mention after he talks about the Framework 16.
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The 16GB VRAM is important for some work. I use Matlab and other statistical tools on big data for some of my work, and I can fill it up pretty easily. For work, 3080 >>> 2080. For gaming it could be useful as well. I had a 2080 laptop before this one and I think the speed difference is more like 10-20% (not the 8% I always see quoted). It's way more if you like turning RT on in games. Sounds like a problem with the OS. I'd just reinstall if that's an option?
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There's definitely some cool use cases with multiple GPUs. I often need to use my GPU for work (offloading tasks in Matlab which are too slow on a CPU) and it completely ties up the GPU and uses most of its VRAM. I'd love a second to do other things on at the same time. Would also be quite cool to use the host OS on one and virtualize the other and pass it to a VM.
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Looks like Metabox don't list them on their website. You could try contact them? Unsure how I would dump my files. What issues are you having that you think the XMG bios is causing? I also had the slow Thunderbolt controller boot with Linux. For undervolting, maybe try something like this? How far back did you go to enable the LED Keyboard app? I'm using 3.55 which is what Metabox ship with.
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Linux works OK for me with 1.07.08TMB BIOS and 1.07.04TMB EC which is what it came from Metabox with. As solidus mentioned, there are Thunderbolt issues that cause a 2ish minute boot delay (it does boot eventually though), which I think is resolved through a BIOS setting. Fan control and lots of other stuff worked for me using Tuxedo Control Center which is an easy install on any Ubuntu based distro: https://github.com/tuxedocomputers/tuxedo-control-center System76 and Tuxedo both released Linux versions of the X170 and they have submitted patches to the kernel to fix any issues, so it should be one of the better laptops out there for hardware compatibility. Ironically, the only thing I can't get working is the LED Keyboard app in the Clevo Control Center in Windows. No version of CCC seems to fix this, not sure what the problem is.
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What EC are you on? I think problems when using all 4 DIMMs is a long standing issue. I remember reading others dropping back to 64GB (2x32) for that reason.
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I didn't know System76 had done this with the X370. How does Coreboot + open source EC change things for you? Compared to say a other Clevo's with the Tuxedo software installed for fan control, etc? Sounds interesting.
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Am I correct in saying the PCH is cooled by a metal plate under the casing? Just noticed the thermal pad. Did the pad come with the machine or did you place it there?
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I think this has a lot to do with BIOS and EC firmware being a lot better now. Mine shipped with latest and I haven't had any issues yet. Updating to the latest versions hasn't fixed everyones issue, but I wonder if that's due to leftover from older firmwares that aren't resolved by flashing to the latest. Prema has said on the XMG Discord that the hardware itself is all good.
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My worry is that now they've discontinued LGA and MXM laptops, it will be harder to bring them back. IIRC one of the reasons the X170 continued while the Area-51M and GT76 went away is that Clevo had very established channels through which they received support from Intel to implement LGA in laptops because of Clevo's long history of doing so. If that goes away, it might be too much work to get it going again. Plus, in their marketing Intel and some reviewers also have referred to HX as 'desktop processors in a laptop', even though they clearly aren't. This seems to be the path Intel is headed. On their Discord XMG have pretty much said RIP XMG Ultra and moved on. Edit: to answer the OP's question, I don't think Clevo are interested in swappable components anymore. But I hope I'm wrong.
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Mine uses 60-70W while idle. It jumps up alot as soon as I do anything as Rocket Lake is very power hungry. RTX 3080 uses 22-25W when idling. So you're still looking at 40W or so without the dGPU (more if you're running anything) on a 97WHr battery. The whole platform is power hungry and its probably a combination of Clevo not caring so much about power on this machine, and the fact its a desktop platform missing all the mobile optimizations.
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I am looking at total system power in Hwinfo which includes everything in the system. My CPU also idles at 10-15W.
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I looked at idle power draw again today and dunno where I got 30-40W from. It's more like 60-70W with C-states enabled and nothing running, which is about desktop level and is 1.5x my M1 Max MacBook Pro at full tilt.
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So WoL has been working perfectly except a few times in the last few days the NIC becomes unarmed after some time in Shutdown. I realised it has happened each time I’ve tried to reinstall the LED Keyboard app that mysteriously disappeared from CC. Each time I’ve tried and failed to reinstall it (says my PC isn’t supported), my shutdown PC disappears from the network after a short time in shutdown. I think it’s causing the EC to crash and power to be removed from the NIC. Testing this theory now but so far it seems to be it. edit3: I'm an idiot. WoL working fine, this other app to wake the machine I was using was the problem. The usual app from my phone is waking it reliably.
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Also worth trying an external monitor
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Anyone able to confirm fan control works in Linux using Tuxedo Control Center for the X170? edit: The answer is it works great. Using all the tuxedo packages, Linux is flawless. The Tuxedo Control Center functionality is all there even without Tuxedo firmware. There is one thing that slows the boot process down massively (I think it is Thunderbolt related), but there is a workaround I have yet to try.
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I've been using FlexiCharger in the BIOS to keep my battery between 50-60%. My Total System Power is also 30w+ when idle and jumps up much higher even when just watching videos in a web browser. The battery in this fills more of a UPS role than anything else by those numbers.
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I've noticed my 11900KF actually uses quite a lot of power even while idling (8-10W minimum). It is downclocking normally, and I've seen data from reviews that shows this is normal for Rocket Lake. With an iGPU I imagine this would only be higher. Are you sure yours is using only 3-6W? By comparison, my old 9900K could idle as low as 1-2W.
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Awesome. What a beast!
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If you mean me, I'm a bad example as I always prefer thick notebooks with LGA CPUs. I bought my GT76 a few months before the X170SM-G was announced (only other DTR options were Area-51M which had GPUs blowing up, and P775 which was old and to be replaced). If I had my time over I would have waited. When I decided to upgrade my GT76 I was spooked by the issues stability issues of the KM-G. So I bought the GT77 which died within a few months and because there was zero stock I risked it and used the full refund to buy a KM-G as it is going to be the last of its kind. No stability issues so was a great choice. But I didn't like how thin the GT77 was and I really hate mobile CPUs. Most people don't care though. Anyway, I guess things have changed because Intel are innovating way quicker than they used to, but thick DTRs haven't been replaced. 12th and 13th gen have been huge steps up in peformance, and 14th gen will probably obsolete Raptor Lake too.
