crossshot

1 hour ago, bca009 said:

My laptop will not post black screen no black lights,shut off after 30 seconds

fans spin up,rgb works 

Remove all ram modules and stick only one under the backcover. 

And there is a GPU reset shortcut. But i don't know it. FN+D or ALT+D. Maybe someone know it.

2 hours ago, solidus1983 said:

@crossshot what is the side effects of disabling C-States ?

No uncontrolled shutdowns 😂

I don't feel any difference. Maybe Idle power consumption is higher but who cares 💁‍♂️

It looks like, if found the solution for the uncontrolled shutdowns. I disabled C-State a week ago. Since it's disabled - no shutdown 🙂

1.07.08 is the latest known stock bios and its possible to unlock it

https://my.hidrive.com/share/yze8mg-wf8#$/BIOS and EC Firmware/CLEVO/X_Series/X170KM-G

On 2/23/2023 at 11:21 PM, crossshot said:

CCC 6.012 available
https://download.schenker-tech.de/package/xmg-ultra-17-id-xul17e21/

They are working very hard on it.

6.014 is available

CCC 6.012 available
https://download.schenker-tech.de/package/xmg-ultra-17-id-xul17e21/

I don't use it for gaming. I'm a technical draftsman and use it for 3d drawing and rendering. I need max mobile performance, when i visit my customers.

Only for gaming at home it's useless.

I paid 6000 EUR 1,5 years ago 🥲

Between 2000 and 2500 EUR in my opinion.

But for this money, you can get better notebooks (faster/cooler/quieter/lighter). So, its not easy to sell it.

Greetings from germany 😉

I change something in the bios and activate it also in the device manager. It works from complete shutdown.

Today, it was possible to get wake on lan working. Now i can start the X170KM-G remote from everywhere (from my homeserveR). Thats a really good workaround for me. But i hope the uncontrolled shutdowns will be fixed. I can't sell the notebook with such an issue.

23 hours ago, crossshot said:

I hope for more stability. Mine shut off from time to time without any reason. Maybe the new ACPI bridge driver will help.

Too sad... uncontrolled shutdown still there...

I hope for more stability. Mine shut off from time to time without any reason. Maybe the new ACPI bridge driver will help.

1 minute ago, Sniffy said:

 

How would you describe it?

 

I noticed the auto curve is set too low at idle so I had to set an offset to stop the temperature creeping up. But once it hits a certain temperature (mid 60s?) it's quite loud. My go to at the moment is auto+5% offset at idle (to maintain decent idle temps while web browsing etc), then I switch to manual curve when booting a game.

It start later. The delay to start the fans is bigger in my opinion. So the temperatures from time to time are a little bit higher, but the fans don't start.

3 minutes ago, Sniffy said:

 

Do you mean they adjusted the automatic fan curve?

I would say, yes.

I'll ask XMG. It feels like the fan control is better and it install a new ACPI bridge driver.

New CCC 6.007 available

https://download.schenker-tech.de/package/xmg-ultra-17-id-xul17e21/

45 minutes ago, tennic said:

I have the original Insyde BIOS (I didn't buy the XMG notebook), but when I temporarily tried an XMG BIOS months ago, the problem was there too.
Is the only solution then to uninstall the Control Center?
Maybe I could then install the separate packages (LED and OSD control), I saw them on the Microsoft Store, but I haven't tried if that fixes the problem.

I don't know. I only know, XMG is working on a new CCC.

Clevo X170KM-G and XMG are exactly the same hardware. And XMG tried the best to fix all problems...

1 minute ago, tennic said:

 

Is there any solution? 😓

 

I have the 11th (11900k)

No solution. XMG has considered removing the feature from the BIOS entirely. You can only wait and hope for the custom BIOS.

2 hours ago, Sniffy said:

 

That's great news. May I ask, did you use any custom settings (e.g., custom curve) or was this also with the defaults in the fan app?

All stock - no custom curve.

1 hour ago, tennic said:

 

In my case it's slightly different, crashes (BSOD) only happen if I activate "Overclocking" in the BIOS, and therefore the "Overclocking CPU" tile appears in the "Control Center".
If I don't have the "Overlocking CPU" tile in the "Control Center", everything works fine.
Of course, no overclocking, just enable the feature in the BIOS and the "Control Center" causes a BSOD.

This happens to me with the 3-4 BIOS versions tested so far with the various updates, with various versions of EC, and with various versions of the "Control Center" 😑

That "OC on" BSOD is a known issue. I had it, too.
 

56 minutes ago, ymsv said:

If I remember correctly , it is depending also of which CPU ( Intel 10 or 11 ) is used and how many memory slots are populated ( two or four ) . 

10th Core CPUs looks way more stable.

10 minutes ago, Sniffy said:

 

Wow that is frequent. Any crashing since removal of the fan control app?

No crash without fan control app 🙂

5 minutes ago, Sergey Muratov said:

I continue to understand the problem and analyze the EC firmware (assembler). I think that sudden shutdowns occur due to false triggering of the over-voltage sensor with a constant change in the fan speed.

I'm dealing with the firmware and I can't say when it will be ready. A lot of tests and checks are needed. Let me remind you that I work without having sources. And you have to disassemble the firmware and analyze almost machine code.

Thanks for your work! If you release it, i will pay for it or donate for it🙂
 

2 minutes ago, Sergey Muratov said:

While I am working on the EC firmware, my team continues to refine the bios and tries to optimize the operation of RAM. On the x170, there are clearly some problems with RAM operation and ram overclocking

This is why Prema cancelled the project with XMG.

2 minutes ago, Sergey Muratov said:

Sudden outages are not related to OC. They occur due to incorrect values in the EC firmware.

When will your new firmware available? Do you have more informations about it? I hate this machine every day more and more.

25 minutes ago, Sniffy said:

Interesting. Improper usage of the EC causing it to power the system down? Could be why Windows doesn't know the cause.

 

 

Do you have OC enabled in the bios?

OC is disabled. It tried all. Different BIOS versions, newest EC, different RAM, different CPU, different SSD.

Windows shows only an uncontrolled shutdown. No BSOD.

I also logged all the time with HWINFO. Nothing - no values looked bad. 

On 12/13/2022 at 10:36 AM, Sergey Muratov said:

Hello everyone. After installing Control Center 3.75 on windows, the abrupt shutdowns of the laptop stopped. But on linux with tuxedo control center, the laptop also turns off. You need to take out the battery to turn it on. This problem is somehow related to the fans. When the fan control module is not installed in the system, the laptop works well. But when the fan control module is installed, the laptop is unstable. Has anyone figured out why this is happening and how to solve this problem?
Sorry for the bad English

Interesting post. I still have uncontrolled shutdowns (Win10 and Win11). After i read your post, i've uninstalled the clevo fan control. Since this uninstall, there was no uncontrolled shutdown any more.

I hope this fix the problem. Without fan control, its also more quiet.