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Are modern 18 or 19 inch screens even available. And by that i mean not a rarity or expensive. Don't expect anything socketed though cuz i doubt it.

Its like vapor chamber and phase change material. am not sure how much better you can get with those lmao. There is an official legion discord so i could ask if they are pallning to make a DTR or something.

Tbf this is coming from someone who owns a legion 7 with the 5900hx and 3080. I get like 7-9 hours on this and that's cuz I use this thing for school as well. For me I don't mind thickness but I have a concern when it's too thick and can't fit In a computer bag. Cuz I don't put laptops in hand luggages

Ok another issue. What is a "proper DTR" because many people have their own definition of what a DTR is. and the thing is. These thing aren't standardized because many oems have different design philosipihies that conflict with eachother.

The 2nd part eeeh no. Cus battery is still a thing to some people. and DTR's are still weak in that part. And will continue to be that way because desktop cpus were never made for batteries. Especially now were getting laptops with like 5-7 hours of battery so thats something. Also the fact that its a desktop cpu alone means a peformance boost because things like power isnt a concern. But with the HX and amd Dragon range coming out, its not really needed due to 1. being direct die and 2 is nearly or is 1:1 with the desktop version counterpart. Could you still design it to use desktop cpus? Sure, you can. and theres a 3rd reason. Non DTR's are not made to replace desktops compared to actual DTR'S. Because DTR's are always the top of the line product so it will be expensive compared to the lower versions. If it really would steal sales then the x170 would have stolen sales from many other oem laptops but it didnt. Why, cus they dont aim for the same market as laptops as the g14, L5P, mech 15 g3. Laptops and tech cant be sold like cars can. In cars you can make halo products that might be unreachable for many but gives the brand a high image which leads to more sales because they will be impressed by the halo model and want to buy other models buy said companies. Laptops and tech selling doesn't work like that. Since they aren't made to uplift a brand image, especially since laptops are judged model by model. Not brand by brand in cars where brand loyalty is more common.

You can't unless you price it absurdly high for profit margins. For desktops it' works cuz the community is mainly DIY ers and businesses. Laptops is different. DTR's mainly serve professional engineering crews. For professions like those, size, weight, and price doesn't really matter. Said companies that do buy DTRS have non engineering employees who have more than 1 machine per engineer and peripherals for each. Those companies buy a laptop every 3-5 years that is true. But they are replaced on that schedule due to that's when warranties for these businesses normally run out and it lines jp with depreciation based asset write off. Buisness owned machines not paid by user will most likely get physical damage. How many people who buy gaming laptops will actually tune and diy them? Compared to just seeing it works well OOB. It's most likely the latter and will continue to be that way cuz younger people are starting to get gaming laptops. And by young j mean teenagers.

Thing is, who is the one who convinces those that thin n light is better. Since comapnies who purchase DTR's replace the laptop when the warranty runs out. Thats how buisnesses do things. The thing is what would convince them to do dtr's thats not benchmarking points.

Ok another question. What constitutes as "thin and light" cuz thats really vague. Pretend that i'm an big OEM wanting to make a laptop. What justification would their be to make a DTR that would make money or generate profit. Since thats computer companies priority #1. If it doesn't make money or if the amount of money gained doesnt gain enough profit to cover the overall development costs. Then it's seen as unworth or a failure. Rn DTR's are mostly used for engineering market because they don't care about size or weight so they're used for scientific workloads.

OK that's just impossible. Gpus have so much components in them it just doesn't work. With vram, moffsetts and other stuff on a single board. A cpu can be socketed cuz it's more simpler but a gpu. That's something else entirely.

I'm confused by this statement. Since gpus don't have sockets they are soldered but connected to a pcie slot board.

OK one honest question. Is it actually better that DTR'S are basically the only laptops that should exist? Basically gatekeeping the gaming laptop market?

Well rn for example the legion 5 pro has 4 usb A 2 usb-c with display port. 1 usb-c with thunderbolt 4 Ethernet. 3.5mm jack Power is also there along with a camera kill switch slider. Yhe one thing that can dictate how much ports or what ports a laptop will have is how much people will use said ports. Port's aren't standardized in laptops. Actually it can't. Manufacturers follow different design philosophies.

Forgot yo say that usbc is superior and also can do functions like display port and other stuff that having things like mini DP and other stuff kind of not really useful. The only reason why alot of peripherals are still usb-a is because the majority of devices are still usb-a and also that usb-a is cheaper than usb-c to usb-c. Also, what kind of ports are we talking about. Just saying ports is vague. Cus there are tons of ports out there.

This is kinda due to lanes. The more amount of faster ports means it uses a bit more lanes now. Especially with USB-C. Usb-c is starting to get more proffered especially with laws making at least 1 usbc connection mandatory for devices.

i was gonna say cuz 3080ti max is 175w. even if we wnt up like 175+150 cpu combined. thats still around 325. so an oem would just have to use 350. like the x170 stock maxxed out only went up to 368. the p870 needed a huge psu due to sli and the desktop k cpus. The reason why psu's do have headroom is because wattage spikes will happen. Ok so i found something wierd when it comes to modularity. It's a laptop but its a Nuc compute board. Think of it like a cpu board but with its own heatsink. Kinda framework but not.

Well the DTR market it kinda makes sense cuz dtr is a nieche market. That itself is an reason. Laptops that arent made to be dtr's thats harder. Also remember that smartshift can be disabled the same way that dynamic boost can. Ryzen temp limit is actually high, around 100-105c. For Nvidia, its around 87C. Also there is no way you can throw a desktop chip onto an mxm, its impossible. the only thing you get near to that if some company did it for miners. Lets add that thermal density is shrinking. its the reason why amd is hotter than intel. The more closer in nm the semiconductors are the more hot it is. We are also remembering that the 3000 series arent 1:1 specs like 2k series was. Plus people would undervolt gpus cuz thats being seen as a peformance beneift and it actually does.

Can't go higher wattage if the chips are hardlocked. Remember, i said that the 6800m is the only one in the lineup mobile market that doesnt seem to have a wattage limits. since its shown that some have it go up to 171w. Although its hard to tell cuz in hwinfo it shows cpu + gpu power cuz smartshift. Smartshift IMO is better than dynamic boost due to how it communicates with the cpu due to being the same brand. There has to be some legitimate concern for giving it a bigger powerbrick other than hurr durr lets htrow power at it. Lenovo does this but only cuz its cheaper to keep giving its legion 300w bricks. heck you can 5 legion 5 pro's with 3060s with 300w power bricks for some reason.

Well design and asthetics can sell a laptop also add that people younger and younger are getting gaming laptops and weight is a big factor to them. Heck the g14 sold so well due to that fact. With laptop gpus wanting for more efficiency which is what mobile gpus are basing themselves on. it's hard to get oems to just forget the efficiency game and try to pump as much power into it as possible. Unless you think the solution is to gatekeep gaming laptops from the general population which is impossible. It's not as easy as lets say a car because yu can limit an audience by making it manual transmission only(gr yaris/corolla is an exampe.) TL:DR. The market speaks. what people buy tells oems what people want. It's buisness and finances 101.

Considering we have 330w gan now its starting to change peoples view of things.

Well if it says anything. GAMING N SERIES - UNIWILL There's that. 17 inch, battery is lower.than the mech. mechanical keyboard option.

In trying to see if by less deep you mean by more lengthy or. And I just realized something. The issue is that with that implementations. Oems would basically kill some of their own products dance it would become useless. Example legion 5 pro vs 7. The 7 you would get if you wanted 3080ti, all amd system, per key rgb, vapor chamber, bigger battery. The 5 pro can be good enough even with the same design as the 2021 version. If many people just took a l7 3080 and put it into the 5p. The 7 would be linked with the only thing causing it stand is the battery.

I'm trying to imagine this in design but I can't at all.

Because its a workstation. Workstations mxms see kinda sensible cuz workstation/buisness laptops get used for a long time. Gaming laptops are another exception that doesnt fit.

The underlined portion is kinda why mxm kinda died out. The cards weren't really officially sold. So prices were everywhere. Also add that some cards needed inf modding due to vendor id locking which 99% of general users wouldn't know how to do nor look up. Many expect it to just work out of the box with tuning out of the equation. Many would just return it and leave a bad review on how something didn't work. Thats the risk with tunability, someone is going to mess it up and can cause a false review due to ignorance.

well yeah, in some cases the IO itself can interfere since io is now being put on the back of the laptop because there is more space there. example is this. The p15 and p17 mxm gpu is horizontal not verticalits done like that so the gpu card doesnt dig in to the top io. So yes it is possible but if there a design constraint or something blocking it, the shape can change from the standard. And remember. the p15 having mxm was more of a way to save money in manufacturing. as you can make the same mobo and not worry about the gpu.