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Isn't that Cuz of thin bezels. Bezels being thinner means screens can have larger screens but smaller chassis. My old asus strix scar 17 inch makes my legion 7 look small by comparsion. Unless they go back to thick bezels that isn't happening. technically the screen size that would get it to that chassis size is 20 inch screens. but thats in theory.

I don't think socketed gpus work like that. They are much more complex. They are one board made for different phases and vrms. Unless I'm understanding this wrong.

Please explain what you mean I have no idea what you mean by selling gpus the same as cpus? Since cpus have alot more variants than gpus.

One issue though. whats stopping then said companies by doing things like this. The dgpu upgrade has to be at a price where it would porbably just better to get a new laptop by then. Also theres no standard shape. Its been shown that even if you use a connector, they can change the shape of the card slightly. Making the price of the thing iwlling to the oem. The only connector that won't seem to have this problem is dgff. due to it using pins. Heck for it to become more standard, one would have to be donated to PCI-SIG. 99% with the exception of clevo or eurocom or tongfang or alienware, or not a workstation laptop, 99% of the time socketable gpus would be used mainly for easier manufacturing costs. As you could make the same mobo for the same laptop and not have to make one for each factor. But it would definetly be charged unfairly since upgradability is seen as a premium.

if its anything. This is from a discord

xmg posted a pic of the x370

It sounds like you want all gaming laptops to be de dtr levels of thick. Including the 14 inch ones. No offense, but this sounds like the equivalent of "we need to gatekeep gaming laptops." Also desktop cpus are not made for efficiency curves. By dtr levels of thick i kinda mean between 1-2 inches. Plus are we talking about 250w-300w gpu by itself or combined with the cpu.

I mean the fact that hx and the k/x cpus are technically the same now. So going to desktop cpus isn't the only option if you wanted a 1:1 desktop cpu. The hx series is that solution. You could thicken it anyway regardless of ihs or not. This is the equivalent of asking for more manual transmissions even though they are just a dying breed due to not being marketable. Same thing for lga + mxm. Mxm has been unsupported and lga makes the laptop thick looking which is not really marketable. Especially those who want a balance since gaming laptops, especially 14" ones are being seen as AIO devices. Especially with the handheld market with the steam deck. Try and market the x170smg to the average person and you could not sell.

Ptm is a phase change material. And considering asus had quality issues with lm the first few times. Yeah I don't really trust it. Since if the manufacturer botch the lm, it can cause problems. Reason why lenovo doesn't use liquid metal. But again. Pcm likes direct die cooling more than heatplates. You see more of an effect there. Heck lenovos heatsink are designed around it to the point that if you use anything that isn't ptm. The Temps suffer horrendously.

I really cannot see 300w without watercooling in feasable temps. especially when the cpu and gpu is combined heatsinks for spacing purposes. With the hx series cpu being there, theres now not alot of need to have the desktop cpus in laptops considering they are exactly the same. Also add that if you have the sockets that keep changing the upgradability becomes moot. The 51m is proof of this exact problem. If your upgradability only works for a certation generation or if it requires modifications to get it to work, then for the average user, it's not feasible. Other thing is that laptops seem to like direct die cooling. Unless someone is willing to delid every cpu that comes in, i don't see it happening. PTM7950 for example fails on non direct die cooling. that's it's weakness.

Question is how much of a benefit would it be to even make one to justify the profit margins. Pcs aren't cars where you can make unobtainable halo cars. Plus there would have to be a factor that isn't just benchmarks. Die size is also a thing. If it was still 14nm+ 12nm. It would be easier to cool with what we have today. But with larger thermal density. Uhh I don't know. Plus liquid cooling won't be done because it's a huge liability.

Here is their reasoning: Die size, lower nm, more power is for the gpu than the vram. This means the 4000 series is hotter and more of a power consumer chip wise in a vacuum.

New oasis unit. Both have mechanical per key rgb. https://www.xmg.gg/en/news-new-product-xmg-neo-e23/ This might eb an unfortunate for you or not. But the pipe has slightly changed

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but, the amd legion pro 7 isn't coming to the US or europe.

Some of the new Max-Q tech is Ultra low voltage GDDR6 memory and tri-speed memory controllers. It was also revealed that the 14" form factor is the largest market laptop size. (The advancements of the zephyrus g14 must be responsible for that) . But most were made for basic tasks. The 40 series claims to solve that for greater 14" peformance. sources: NVIDIA announces GeForce RTX 40 Laptop GPU series, RTX 4090 with 9728 CUDAs and 16GB GDDR6 memory - VideoCardz.com NVIDIA Ada Lovelace Breaks Energy-Efficiency Barrier, Supercharges 170+ Laptop Designs | TechPowerUp

Thing is technically it is a laptop. Because if it was a tablet, it would be a bad one Cuz it lacks the things that make a tablet a tablet. A tablet is mainly a larger phone. With the same efficiency, bigger screens, and in most cases faster than phones, but still retain things like cameras, webcams, long battery life, and so on. Thats the reason why the "2 in 1" laptop category exists. Its not a traditional laptop, but its still not enough to fit in the category as a tablet.

If you saw the flow z13 you would have a heart attack. While I agree that they should include the detachable keyboard. There is obviously a market for small tablet like laptops with things like the surface pro for example. Traditional Laptops/DTR's are not the entire world nor will it be the entire world. This is the equivalent of complaining about modern cars not having manual transmissions and having all automatics or cvts.

If im correct we call that dynamic boost. The issue is the moment we get that thinkness in a laptop is workstation level. But if the thickness gets to the point where you could find an itx console type system thickness, you start to have problems with the exception of not having a battery. No matter what you do you cannot break the laws of therodynamics. They will be obeyed wheter anyone likes it or not. The reason why the thin and light market is starting to exist ore and more cuz alot of programs now that people are using don't need massive amounts of power and arent benchmark obsessed. The only way people would go back to wanting more thicker laptops, if for some strange reason most programs started to become obsessive unefficient power hogs.

Question. What laptops have existed that put out 300w on a single gpu die. There's a reason why the highest performing laptops back then was SLI. It was easier to manage heat by having 2 die's help with the laptop. At this point for the 300w thing to even work you would need that liquid cooling shenanigan. There is also no standard oems need to follow for least amount of wattage combined on load. Nor on temps and wattage. The way how laptops have different kinds of design dreams for different oems make this impossible.

There is also something else here:

A Nvidia leak has revelaed that the rtx mobile series will be very more different than desktop compared to how 30 series was. 4090m ad103 4080TIm ad104 4070m ad106 4060ti/4060m ad107 Meanwhile for AMD, there has been leaks that the top-of-the-line 7000m series gpu is as powerful as a RTX 3090/6950 XT. No specs have been revealed or any power limits.

It's more like usb 4 was an option. They just didn't choose it.

For the amd version i will mention that its usb 3 not usb 4. So yeah. Because the usb-c is wired to the dgpu not the igpu.

@1610ftwThis is the laptop that i was talking about. the IDN tongfang chassis.

MECH-17-GP (eluktronics.com) Amd has 6900hx standard while Intel has 12900H standard. Both Support Lpp. Intel version standard price is $2600 Amd version is $2500 Both support LPP. No pre-order. It's buyable now.