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We have started to see them at the lower end for HP atleast, I think it a mix of AMD having less established solutions for enterprises including. Features like V-Pro management, ECC support, plus i always have suspicions Intel try whatever they can to ensure these big brands stick with them. with AMD winning in data centres a lot more enterprise customers are becoming comfortable with AMD so I have hope. However I appreciate its significant Extra work from development to support like drivers to add a second CPU vendor.

Unlikely due to complexity and space constraints inside the laptop but it would be a nice design if the “bulge” only lifted the laptop at the rear when in use and when turned off tucked back into the laptop chassis! I agree it looks large from those pictures but will have to wait for more angles to be sure how much of an issue it is. less USB ports is also a shame but atleast it sound like only one port will be used by the docking station vs 2 by the current WD19 DCS docking station.

Ah good spot would be disappointing if it isn’t better than the Alienware M18 layout. Hope they are going away from the old 7000 series layout where the heat was concentrated at the top left. Even if it was performing fine users would complain about that/ get worried the system was overheating

All very interesting based on previous releases I’m doubting we will actually by able to buy these before mid year but who knows with a leak this early. It would fit with the prediction for high end next gen mobile graphics cards from NVIDIA also. Also very curious about the 3 fan layout, I’ve only really seen it on Alienware systems where IIRC the third fan was significantly smaller. I’m hoping for more innovation here from the ex Precision R&D team

Single thread performance regressed for first gen ultra H series CPUs vs 13th gen core CPUs if you can I would wait, expect to see things announced at CES in January and available not that long after if history is a guide.

Dell went to 165W over a single USB C for the 5680 and 5690 which sorted that issue, and for everything else they have done 130W over USB-C for many years well before the new USB 4 /PD3.1 standard than allows 240W. Nothing to say Dell won’t push it beyond 240W over a single USB-C connector 😉

Intel have only announced 14th generation HX CPUs which lack professional features such as VPro Enterprise and support for ECC memory. Read into that what you will…. https://www.anandtech.com/show/21213/intel-unveils-14th-gen-core-hx-series-processors-raptor-lake-mobile-refresh-with-thunderbolt-5#

Unfortunately not I have a 5680 with RTX 3500 I believe the vapour chamber is reserved for the RTX 5000 only. Performance for a GPU compute task using NVIDIA iRay was about 10% less than in the Precision 7680 with the same card so not too bad for the smaller chassis. No difference for me with the WD19DCS

Good find! if we went with the manual sizes it would be pretty much the same as the 7680 sim model albeit a bit lighter. I also note they don’t quote the weight with the 99.x whr battery only the smaller one which isn’t available at launch. I suspect the 5680 will be more like 2kg with the larger battery still an appreciable amount lighter than the 7680 which would be a bigger thing for us, the 7680 is already pretty compact but quite hefty.

Odd indeed I think when I’ve queried in the past there are some differences between how measurements are reported in different territories but not noticed a difference in owners manual vs spec sheet before. hoping to have my hands on a unit in the next couple of weeks and compare to 7680

Yeh should be tomorrow 🙂 looking forward to testing out a 5680 atleast although it is soldered ram which puts some off but we will just max it out from factory to avoid regrets In future, easier to justify that for a company vs an individual. Think it will be a good option for our marketing team who want a mix of power for adobe suite and portability, will be interesting to compare to the 7680, it’s always hard until you physically hold a decide to really appreciate the size/ weight difference.

It got pushed to the same day as the Precision 5680 launch- 18th of may. you may be able to get a quote on the 5480 from a sales rep now but not on the 5680 last I checked

Unsure whether to post this here or in Tech News section for best visibility https://www.theregister.com/AMP/2023/04/07/msi_cyberattack_bios/ says to beware of third party firmware sources etc due to theft of source code/ tools I don’t use MSI kit but spotted the article on the register which I read daily

+1 for the QHD plus unfortunately still too many bits of software where the experience for 4K is not good particularly at high scaling levels needed for such a small display. 16:10 is spot on for me, my first Precision laptops were the M90/M6300 with 16:10 (17.6 inch?) screen I’ve used a few 4k laptops for a couple of on and off weeks at a time and still not convinced of the benefit at typical viewing distances where as QHD I think is a great balance.

Indeed there is surely space with the size of the 7770/7780 bezels compared to the 7670/7680 screen bezels. I give our team a choice when it comes to replacement time and vast majority still prefer the 17.3 inch form factor pretty sure they wouldn’t turn down a bigger screen! Few more takers for the smaller 7000 series after the switch to 16inch form factor with an improvement in relative performance and screen real estate, but the ratio is more than 9:1 in favour of 17.3 inch form factor! I hope they do keep the larger form factor given HP and Lenovo both dropped it. 16 inch makes more sense for the more portable options like the new 5680, 17.0 perhaps took the size an weight a little beyond that category

Ah yes you are right! Only 2 I must have been thinking 3 inclusive when actually it’s just 2 then we usually get a new chassis on the 7000 series. Given we have purchased every mobile workstation dell have ever had you would think I’d remember! So yeh I’d predict new dock to go alongside the 7690/7790 then we just need to start guessing what the generation after will be named 🙂

Indeed a bit overdue an update for the wd19DC/S would also like to see it able to deliver the full 240W, although this would need a bigger power supply in the input of course. hopefully we won’t have to wait for the refresh of the 7000 series chassis, usually 3 generations so whatever comes after the 7690/7790 (new naming scheme? 🙂 ) The WD19DC/S have been pretty reliable for us after the pain of the TB16 and TB18, I hope that continues with whatever replaces it! we standardised on these despite having a mix of power requirements in Precision 3000, 5000, 7000 + a few latitudes thrown in. Just means anyone can use any desk/meeting room by plugging in 1/2 cables. Nobody has ever complained about performance and combined 100% CPU/GPU loads are rare but would be nice to have the full 240W to know we are getting the best performance.

Hi I was told by my contacts ECC ram was a post launch item with a May timeframe for availability? long term I’m hoping for price parity between CAMM and So-DIMM and ultimately ECC CAMM modules to make the choice easier. For CAE workloads ECC is recommended but then we are limited to 64GB since 7770 generation with SO-DIMM

Thanks for the clarification it’s been unclear on which models actually have vapour chamber meanwhile competitors are making a big thing of it. I’m glad the 5680 has some extra power headroom vs the 5570 and 5770 also. Which cards qualify as high end requiring the vapour chamber?

Good to hear dell pro support have always been excellent for us also a real differentiator and pretty flexible when they can be! However our company has a fleet of 300+ precision laptops so these sort of tweaks aren’t on the agenda really so for us it’s more interesting to see the capabilities out of the factory. I am suspecting from the images the 5680 lacks vapour chamber also 😞

🙂 unfortunately not really an option for us, business values stability and warranty over tweaks like that! The surprise for me was I didn’t see a huge difference between 7770 and 5770 in GPU heavy loads rendering using iRay only saw a 5% difference and similar 5-10% in Open GL pro graphics workloads. This wasn’t the same across the board for instance an RTX a2000 running at 40W In a precision 5570 was more than 20% slower than the same card in a Precision 7670 running at 80W (IIRC) how much difference did you see for various workloads? For me there just seems to be some really efficient points along the power curve but if it’s right at the bottom end you lose more performance. will be interesting to test out for the Ada generation, especially if we get a bigger than 130W power supply to allow for higher sustained lower Regarding the 5680 I haven’t had power supply confirmed yet but some press articles mention power delivery; “Extended Power Range (EPR) technology means more power (165W versus 130W) can be delivered through a universal USB-C connector.” https://develop3d.com/workstations/dell-launches-13th-gen-intel-core-precision-laptops/ So 165W atleast so I’d hope for more like 80W+ graphics power…..if it can cool it.

Yeh that’s what I was meaning the ram and power supplies listed didn’t match the specs that had been shared with me prior to launch, I don’t recall if a graphics power rating was shared but I’d hope for higher than 65W in the old 5770 I found the performance of the RTX A3000 in the 7770 and 5770 were remarkably similar even doing tasks such as GPU rendering which use 100% GPU power. To be frank that challenged my assumptions! These ADA cards have such a wide power range so it will be be interesting to see where the performance and efficiency curve is on these different GPUs. I’ll try and clarify atleast the power supply today along with asking on cooling. I suspect the spec sheets were a little rushed since this model is further out with a may launch date

Unfortunately there is an error on the spec sheets I’ve had it confirmed it’s soldered ram compromise for the small size. maybe CAMM in future versions! Also I believe it is a 180W power supply with the discrete graphics which would make sense for the new up to 5000 series graphics will confirm later as that is based on my memory of briefings we had on this while it was still under NDA. I can confirm it is a ground up design as a precision, also need to confirm if it has Vapor Chamber cooling like the old 17inch version based on the xps 17,

Not sure why Dell were so slow to update the drivers, for a long time i've avoided their recommended ones though! . looks like the same security vulnerabilities were fixed in 517.88 that i have been running for a couple of months now released 20th Dec 2022, see https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5415 for me I stick to the NVIDIA advanced driver search https://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us and then stick to the same branch as is certified for the Pro software we use. Currently that is 515 so i go with the latest starting 51 unless i have an issue then it's just try the latest driver etc.

yeh already they have confused the Desktop Professional cards by releasing the “RTX 6000 Ada Generation” which replaces the RTX A6000 I don’t understand why they can’t just have an L prefix for pro cards. This is what they have done on the data centre side with the new L40 replacing the A40 RTX L2000, L3000, L4000 etc would we easier to distinguish from one generation to another and crucially for me the Professional and Consumer cards which became harder to communicate once the Quadro branding was removed