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  1. AL123
    We shall see, Still waiting on my orders for 7770! Also interesting I ran a couple of rendering applications and with A4500 held at around 100W whether I loaded the CPU or not. When I loaded the CPU and GPU 100% the cpu power limit dropped as low as 35W and the GPU sustained at the same 100W it ran at when I loaded the GPU alone. all of this is reported from HW info
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    Oh dear well hopefully things will start to improve. I just got a 7670 with i7, 64GB ram and A4500 Just run cinebench r23 multi core of approx 14500-15000 it has a 75W PL1 and 157W PL2 but after an initial spike to 100 degrees on some of the P cores it settles to around 2.6GHz at around 75 degrees on p cores and 1.9 GHz and 70 degrees on e cores. Seems like a bit of headroom for a higher power limit. This is in an air conditioned office around 21-22 degrees typically these are commercial systems so we won’t be using things like throttle stop but maybe something in a future BIOS update will allow a bit more headroom given it seems to be there thermally.
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    From what I heard all chassis were affected, but it will interesting to see if different chassis options take longer.we ordered these not long after launch. The explanation I was given is Dell had a batch of chassis that they just weren’t happy with the quality of and therefore all orders were help up, our estimate went up by about a month on all orders but now most look set to beat that by 15-20 days 🙂 Much as the delays have been inconvenient fair play to Dell not sending products out they aren’t happy with the standard of. They seem to be taking extra care on the QA also to make sure what goes out is right and still beating their revised dates, so I’m happy, I hope it will be the same for others.
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    Indeed, I can give some hope! Most orders have shipped. I’m finding they are staying at the “in production” stage for 7 days or more likely due to extra QA checks from speaking with Dell. Most entered production various days w/c 22nd August. Of these 3 orders shipped for 7670 thin, performance and 1 option of 7770 Only order yet to ship is one for the 7770 with i7 and A3000 which entered production a little later on the 29th. another order for 7770 with the i9 and A4500 entered production a few days earlier and shipped already. The earliest order to ship took around 7 days to make it from china to the UK. all these are without ssd door or smart card reader
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    Yeh hopefully not that much given the hassle you have had, I edited my post afterwards as I hadn’t checked if so dimm was live today 🙂
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    So dimm options are showing on the uk configurators albeit with errors I suspect it’s not adding the interposer to the build as it’s saying missing part error. also missing 64 GB ECC option currently which is what I would be going for over CAM. You can have 64GB non ECC however
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    If of interest you may want to see if So-dimms are quotable also they are showing on the UK configurator this morning although it seems a bit broken says missing a part (likely interposed). Hoping the price doesn’t go up for you via your old order 🙂 also the 64GB ECC ram I was hoping for seems to be missing currently
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    🙂 I’ve seen 3 orders enter production too for 7670 thin, performance and 7770, dell must be happy with the quality of the chassis on these now. On the one order that has shipped the eta didn’t improve once it went to “In production” and did take longer in this stage than usual (likely extra QA) But hopefully yours will be the same and beat the current estimate. On my order that have shipped just crossed the previous eta out when my order shipped early and gave a new earlier eta on the tracking link. Never seen issues like this that weren’t covid/ wider supply chain related and some credit to dell for not releasing products they were not 100% happy with the quality.
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    I heard this week so shouldn’t be long to wait at-least for factory builds 🙂 can’t remember the exact day but given dell usually do things on a Tuesday I’d say today or tomorrow most likely
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    Cool I’ve got 64GB and 128GB models coming… eventually! Will run Cinenbench when they arrive and see how they compare. Until some more get tested we don’t really know what is “normal” for these hopefully more people will start receiving them sook . Certainly wouldn’t expect the lower speed 128GB CAMM module to make much difference apart from if there is a specific issue I was told caused the cancellation (should have been a hold but they cancelled it!) It could be your laptop slipped out before they noted the issue, or could have just been a batch of modules with the issue which affected my order. I didn’t place orders till more like mid July due to holidays and since then everything has been slowed down waiting on chassis Dell are happy with the quality. I would rather have it that wa round though! However with Pro support you don’t have any worries In my experience they will do anything it takes to sort issues. Had some early Precision 5750s replaced due to power throttling issue that couldn’t be fixed with firmware and they just replaced them with no fuss 🙂
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    Interesting, 85W power limit sustained isn’t bad, but still seeing low scores is odd. Id like to see higher than 85W with low GPU usage though given the total power budget. . I’ll check my 7760 soon see how it compares for PL1 and PL2 I know that varies the PL1 value when you load up to GPU heavily. couple of other thoughts - Are you still running process lasso during the tests? Maybe worth disabling that. - The other thing is one of our early orders for precision 7770 around mid July with 128GB CAMM got cancelled and the reason given to us was performance issues with the 128GB CAMM. The others with 32GB and 64GB did not. it’s been rebooked now but i don’t know if it was a BIOS/other firmware type fix fix or something else. Worth asking tech if they are aware of anything though. We are yet to recieve any of our 2022 generation machines ordered in July but will certainly do some testing when we recieve either 7670 or 7770 as have ordered a few different specs of each.
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    Without wanting to turn this into a political discussion be aware MicroStar International (MSI) are one for the few PC manufacturers still doing business in/ with Russia. That rules out purchasing anything from them out for me. see https://som.yale.edu/story/2022/over-1000-companies-have-curtailed-operations-russia-some-remain
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    Hi @Dell-Mano_G I think I was too late, was this recorded or will the content be available some other way/ be repeated, I wasn’t aware of the client community let alone this webcast!
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    yeh I’ll have to do some testing again but definitely saw the reported values in hwinfo atleast one of the change when I hammered the GPU with a ray tracing workload (NVIDIA iRay) on one of the systems I was testing recently, pretty sure it was my 7760. This corresponded to a cpu speed reduction also but that could have been thermal related also. Generally for that particular workflow as it doesn’t hugely benefit from cpu cores I tend to run it solely on the GPU as performance gains are usually marginal and if you have cpu cores free you can work on other things. I some systems I’ve actually found it slower or perhaps more prone to errors due to software balancing between the two types of cores. I also noted an article on notebook check saying Lenovo posted GPU TGP for the P16 it would be good if Dell produced info for like this for comparison. @Dell-Mano_G Hp also tend to post more power info on their specs. However I tend to find for the most part Dell still outperform both historically. See https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_P16_Gen_1/ThinkPad_P16_Gen_1_Spec.html?ver=48dd0cb9-2a22-49b9-8196-88dd94aa5784 not much on the CPUs However
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    Excellent while I’m more focused on professional engineering workflows it will be great to se me your feedback on the new chassis, performance and thermals. I would like to see the PL1 and PL2 values, through hwinfo although I’ve noted them Change depending on workflow on my 7760 if the GPU is also running intensively it seems to dynamically drop the power limits. So it would be nice to see maximum power values for cpu and GPU when running mainly cpu and purely GPU based tasks. we won’t get our first 7670 and 7770 units with pro cards (a2000, a3000 and a4500) until august thanks again for all the info you post and this review I advance!
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    Yeh we do the same with ours even try to keep to 1 larger ssd as IT find setting up bitlocker easier as for graphics Looks like ansys have tested the RTX A series, understandably not the A4500/a5500 laptop cards yet but they are just changes of cores/memory so should be fine see https://www.ansys.com/content/dam/it-solutions/platform-support/graphical-display-graphics-cards-tested-2022-r1.pdf I know solidworks have also as I run a 7760 with a4000 with all SOlidWorks apps and they will be testing the 7670/7770 asap. As for the 4k if you tested older versions last time it could be that also I know a lot was fixed In recent SolidWorks versions for sure. Most of the issue now relate to multiple different screens with different resolutions/ scaling. If you move windows between them it doesn’t rescale correctly currently.
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    It depends, and certainly the blurring of product lines isn’t too helpful. When they got rid of the Quadro brand it caused even more confusion with similar sounding cards e.g GeForce Rtx 3060 vs the pro RTX A3000 I’ve had to deal with the fallout from unsupported hardware purchases so I know first hand it can lead to some awkward conversations if the issue isn’t replicable on a certified system with a pro card you can be in a difficult place! if you are doing it for a living I wouldn’t risk using a card not certified/ supported by a software vendor. Most software will still run on the consumer card but you are more venerable to an update in either software, OS or drivers breaking things the software vendors work hard with NVIDIA pro graphics team to test and hopefully avoid this! plus I tested a medium size dataset In SolidWorks recently on an rtx 3080 the assembly had about 6000 parts and rotation/ zoom was around 5-6fps in shaded with edges mode 1920x1080 on an rtx a4000 desktop it was over 60fps so huge noticeable difference in day to day work. Given the pricing is also much closer these days it is a smaller compromise although I appreciate it hurts getting less Cores etc for the same/ more money if your productivity and livelihood depends on it then pro all the way. If you aren’t using applications In that way the I can see why the GeForce is tempting!
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    Most core Solidworks stuff will run fairly well on 4k so long as you are running a recent version however I would highly recommend a pro card like the rtx a4500, the consumer cards are not supported/ certified for Solidworks and I would imagine the same for Ansys, for Solidworks view manipulation will be slower on consumer cards, you may miss some graphics features and the support you get In event of any issues will be limited
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    For Solidworks only pro cards are certified and supported, it will run on consumer cards but generally with complex data sets the speed of rotation, zoom etc will be significantly slower. Also if you run into an issue that is specific to a consumer card then only best efforts will be made to workaround/ fix whereas if you have a pro card the developers will work with NVIDIA to resolve. So yeh for professional apps it’s worth checking support for sure
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    Another vote for pro support we buy hundreds of these and well basic support cost more than the difference in wasted time so we switched to pro support maybe 8 years ago and always get great service. dell never seem to quibble even had items reaching the end of warranty replaced with the a laptop from the latest generation if they couldn’t get the parts to fix the old one!
  21. AL123
    Yep I’m pretty sure you are correct. even though Xeon and windows pro for workstations is gone Microsoft are still going to squeeze a bit more out of customers if they want the top CPUS 😞 It is the same on the 12th gen Precision 3660 desktops when you switch to the i9-12900k you have to Pay more, though not as steep as when it was pro for workstations 6 cores plus. im hoping those lead times the configurator is giving out are accurate as leading up to launch I was warned of early to mid September being more likely estimate even when a June launch was due. Anyway glad we are finally seeing progress I’ve still had no confirmation that these are launching for order on time but the configurator appearing is a pretty sure sign!!
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    Not heard any updates yet other than it was delayed again on Friday 😞
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    Yeh that’s what I meant by being unsure if the values quoted were the minimum (base) values or the maximum Boost, hard to know we can only go on the published documentation until someone gets one and reports back. What model do you have? checking what the documentation says for your model would also be useful as a guide.I don’t have direct experience of Lenovo mobile workstations but was surprised by these listed power ratings for the new models. It would be ideal if all manufacturers listed the range especially as tech savvy people can see it as soon as they get their hands on one. i did however test a 15 inch HP Z book a couple of generations ago with quadro rtx 3000 and it was clocked so low a NVIDIA T2000 out performed it for most tasks, and way lower clocked than the equivalent Dell precision which had about a third faster clocks if memory serves.
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    Also of interest is that Lenovo quote a maximum power of 80W for all of the GPUS making the high end ones pretty irrelevant for me and a rather low sounding 35W for the A1000/A2000 https://thinkstation-specs.com/thinkpad/p16-gen-1/ Same for HP (page 19) https://h20195.www2.hp.com/v2/getpdf.aspx/c08160125.pdf Unsure if either model can boost above that. this Also says 4 x m.2 ssd for the HP which does seem at odds with the spec sheet unless it is 2x4TB and 2x 2TB due to thickness or something like that. I believe CAMM memory is helping Dell already with space for cooling and storage. it would be interesting if @Dell-Mano_G could give comparable figures for the Dell Precison 7670 and 7770 worst case and boost. I think the numbers he gave were combined with CPU. For me most of our workloads are either GPU or CPU intensive rare to pin all cores and the GPU at the same time My experience of Dell vs other brands is they tend to under promise and over deliver. I have a tiny precision 3260 compact workstation on test currently with a 65W i7-12700 dell even list 65W it on the configurator /quote and yet the PL1 and PL2 both show as 100W and happily sits well above its base speed for long periods of high load.
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    Yeh I heard similar, 7770 might be a little earlier but I was even told 28th for the Precision 7670 is an earliest date so it could slip further.
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