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Nvidia continues to discriminate laptop buyers. Look at VRAM compared to desktop.

6Gb is a big issue for me in Unreal Engine, but also might be in Blender just currently i am just making small projects there. If timespy is something i need to install no chance. You can do the Blender Benchmark no need to install https://opendata.blender.org choose GPU Optix and v.3.3. My value is 2615 with Hwinfo i see it between 110-125w doing the benchmark.

Raytracing, tensor for denoising with Optix. I have the 130w 3060 Laptop and already in some scenes it starts to be a pleasure to work. It is at point where your work starts to feel fluid while in past render time was a break a coffee at best.

I never found a Clevo chassis that lasted in professional conditions more than 3 years. I bought 2 Clevos but recently i have not seen any advantage over other brands regarding everything that was advantageous in the past: price, component choice.

In Blender render benchmark https://opendata.blender.org/benchmarks/query/?compute_type=OPTIX&compute_type=CUDA&compute_type=HIP&compute_type=METAL&compute_type=ONEAPI&group_by=device_name&blender_version=3.3.0 RTX3080 laptop = 3482 points RTX2080 = 2400 points

Well the "declined" Nvidia laptop GPU's are much more capable than the once "might" Nvidia laptop GPU's

I don't use my "gaming" laptop for gaming. Tom's reviews don't help me at all choosing a system. Unfortunately American media is too formatted, too compartmentalised into "market defined" boxes: workstation, gaming, office, entertainment. This is a completely outdated concept if it ever was justified. Tom's might only help not choosing a big lemon, but since Notebookcheck and Ultrabookreview are much superior and can do the same i don't even bother going there. I often commented in Notebookcheck to include more real world tests outside the "industry" castrating compartmentalised definitions and i don't know if i contributed to it but they started to include Blender GPU render performance . Ultrabookreview already did that. You can go to these two places and can discriminate the information you need for your particular case most of the time. Both sites still don't do bench's about video editing so it is an area they can be improved.

I don't see it that way. Ultrabookreview and Notebookcheck.net are much much better reviewing laptops than Toms. With Toms i would not ever been certain of what is better for me. Irresponsible as most hardware reviewers work he like others seems similar to those that want to fit every product in just their restricted class.

I would consider this, but they need to put it also cheaper with lesser CPU's GPU's. I would even consider it as another laptop for office with just iGPU . I have a 15.6 and i always end up in the powerful Lenovo 17.3 because the screen is more comfortable to work with.

I don't think a capped CPU at that level will put his system at 90-100C unless all vents were blocked.

MUX disabling the hybrid mode and with Nvidia only do not works?

Don't think so if that is only cause of snipping tool.

Can you check if the culprit is only the GPU? Latencymon, some GPU tracking app?

The score is the sum of 3 results that show after in the benchmark screen . I forgot to tell you, apologies. That is quite a good result anda big difference form the 3060, makes me envious. the scenes you rendered but not shown by the bench are here along others for testing including simulations etc. https://www.blender.org/download/demo-files/

Can you test Blender Benchmark? no need to install. It tests the tensor, raytracing and Cuda performance. Put it in GPU Optix mode. https://opendata.blender.org In the link you also have a lot of data for comparison. For reference my Legion 5 2021 5800H+3060 13214 in CB23 and 2615 in Blender benchmark.

I am one of those people, i use my Legion 5(2021) 17.3" for 3D work not gaming, it has numeric keypad and looks like business laptop but it is far from aesthetically pleasing as the Dell in this page. it also don't appear internally to have space for 4xNVme , i have only 2 - but have a metal heatsink for each of them. Lots of space is also taken for the cooling system with 4 exhausts. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-Legion-5-17-with-RTX-3060-in-review-Strong-gaming-laptop-with-current-gen-AMD-Ryzen-CPU.603198.0.html

MyPC8MyBrain That implies a bigger weight, size etc than a gaming laptop to have all that including reliability. Your nice looking Dell would not be anymore nice looking, it implies more exhaust, more noise. It would also mean a culture of performance that not exists in corporate world. Aaron44126 My example was not the best because Dell and others usually follow CPU generational upgrades. It is in the between that they stand still. There several fold more gaming individual users than corporate clients for top workstations. I agree that Dell is lacking in this case. But i also see same dumbness in some gaming laptops, or mixed systems.

But a laptop is a much bigger exercise in engineering than a desktop due to its inherent physical limitations. If you want one thing like mobility then you can't have a big system with everything. If the corporate workers emphasis is mobility something is lost from performance, if they imply reliability than another notch is taken from performance budget. Edit: then you have corporate timings. 4 or 5 years or more to buy new systems.

But it is the gaming community that is driving computer performance, so it is natural -also by the market size they have- to have the crown today. You can argue for the almost aristocratic 😄 title of "workstation" privilege but that is not what market has been asking. It is not the workstation that is driving what is the laptop product. Corporate culture is very risk averse, no fail approach. That means also no performance edge and not being in the lead it means it is following.

That might have been true for a brief period in laptop era when they were pretty expensive and only corporations could buy them. That is not true since maybe last 10-15 years. The market size and culture of performance in gaming makes what is now the gaming laptop. Note that you have new laptop series evolution every year from Legions, Razer, Asus ROG, etc. because there is fierce competition for performance there. Lenovo legion from 2021 was updated to Legion of 2022 , the Legion of 2022 have new Intel CPU's, PCI Gen 4 x4 bus for faster NvME SSD's, DDR5 memory. This fast turnaround do no happen in corporate market. It is my opinion that this strong emphasis in performance have not been what corporate clients have been asking for.

Always have been that way. Corporate laptops are made to not give problems so being very reliable, not to be top performant, to give status and protection from litigation. They are conservative products. Note that gaming is a multi billion dollar industry bigger than Hollywood. it is gaming that have been pushing GPU cards to these high levels. Now you have gaming cards doing AI calculations besides rendering and it will get mind-blowing in 10 years what can be achieved regarding the GPU. This multi level shift is what increased the gaming laptop advantage: in one side the gaming growth, makes appear new updated laptops every year, in another the consequence of modern games. Since games are now fully 3D it means the old advantage of specialist cards vanished. You go to a video editing forum like of Blackmagic for Da Vinci Resolve and most professionals there buys gaming cards. In the past they would have be buying some turnkey +$50000 system to do not even 1/10 of what they can do now. Alienware even before being bought by Dell made much more powerful products than Dell. It is not new that top gaming laptops are much more performant than a Dell laptop workstation at speed level. In the past the professional 3D for laptop was mostly for CAD, so performance as long as viewport displayed it correctly and reliably it was okay. rendering was done in desktop render farms. But things changed, GPU rendering appeared, market changed but corporate departments continued like if nothing changed. For me, any powerful laptop system that do not have at least 4 exhausts are to be looked suspiciously 😊

Yeah i already used Samsung while ago, WD have Acronis True Image in their support page that maybe will work for that.

My 5800H Cinebench Multi R23 record. Quite a good number for the CPU. No overclock.

Indeed My 3060 draws 130w and heats to 70ºC My 5800H draws 80w and heats to 95ºC Die size matters, too much concentrated stuff cannot be cooled cheaply.

You forgot: rent only.