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I am one of those people, i use my Legion 5(2021) 17.3" for 3D work not gaming, it has numeric keypad and looks like business laptop but it is far from aesthetically pleasing as the Dell in this page. it also don't appear internally to have space for 4xNVme , i have only 2 - but have a metal heatsink for each of them. Lots of space is also taken for the cooling system with 4 exhausts. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-Legion-5-17-with-RTX-3060-in-review-Strong-gaming-laptop-with-current-gen-AMD-Ryzen-CPU.603198.0.html

MyPC8MyBrain That implies a bigger weight, size etc than a gaming laptop to have all that including reliability. Your nice looking Dell would not be anymore nice looking, it implies more exhaust, more noise. It would also mean a culture of performance that not exists in corporate world. Aaron44126 My example was not the best because Dell and others usually follow CPU generational upgrades. It is in the between that they stand still. There several fold more gaming individual users than corporate clients for top workstations. I agree that Dell is lacking in this case. But i also see same dumbness in some gaming laptops, or mixed systems.

But a laptop is a much bigger exercise in engineering than a desktop due to its inherent physical limitations. If you want one thing like mobility then you can't have a big system with everything. If the corporate workers emphasis is mobility something is lost from performance, if they imply reliability than another notch is taken from performance budget. Edit: then you have corporate timings. 4 or 5 years or more to buy new systems.

But it is the gaming community that is driving computer performance, so it is natural -also by the market size they have- to have the crown today. You can argue for the almost aristocratic 😄 title of "workstation" privilege but that is not what market has been asking. It is not the workstation that is driving what is the laptop product. Corporate culture is very risk averse, no fail approach. That means also no performance edge and not being in the lead it means it is following.

That might have been true for a brief period in laptop era when they were pretty expensive and only corporations could buy them. That is not true since maybe last 10-15 years. The market size and culture of performance in gaming makes what is now the gaming laptop. Note that you have new laptop series evolution every year from Legions, Razer, Asus ROG, etc. because there is fierce competition for performance there. Lenovo legion from 2021 was updated to Legion of 2022 , the Legion of 2022 have new Intel CPU's, PCI Gen 4 x4 bus for faster NvME SSD's, DDR5 memory. This fast turnaround do no happen in corporate market. It is my opinion that this strong emphasis in performance have not been what corporate clients have been asking for.

Always have been that way. Corporate laptops are made to not give problems so being very reliable, not to be top performant, to give status and protection from litigation. They are conservative products. Note that gaming is a multi billion dollar industry bigger than Hollywood. it is gaming that have been pushing GPU cards to these high levels. Now you have gaming cards doing AI calculations besides rendering and it will get mind-blowing in 10 years what can be achieved regarding the GPU. This multi level shift is what increased the gaming laptop advantage: in one side the gaming growth, makes appear new updated laptops every year, in another the consequence of modern games. Since games are now fully 3D it means the old advantage of specialist cards vanished. You go to a video editing forum like of Blackmagic for Da Vinci Resolve and most professionals there buys gaming cards. In the past they would have be buying some turnkey +$50000 system to do not even 1/10 of what they can do now. Alienware even before being bought by Dell made much more powerful products than Dell. It is not new that top gaming laptops are much more performant than a Dell laptop workstation at speed level. In the past the professional 3D for laptop was mostly for CAD, so performance as long as viewport displayed it correctly and reliably it was okay. rendering was done in desktop render farms. But things changed, GPU rendering appeared, market changed but corporate departments continued like if nothing changed. For me, any powerful laptop system that do not have at least 4 exhausts are to be looked suspiciously 😊

Yeah i already used Samsung while ago, WD have Acronis True Image in their support page that maybe will work for that.

My 5800H Cinebench Multi R23 record. Quite a good number for the CPU. No overclock.

Indeed My 3060 draws 130w and heats to 70ºC My 5800H draws 80w and heats to 95ºC Die size matters, too much concentrated stuff cannot be cooled cheaply.

You forgot: rent only.

Benchmark results. SN770 is the faster one, i was not expecting to be that much.

Do you know a good clone app? is it able to swap itself?

Lenovo Legion 5(2021) C drive is original Samsung PM991A 512Gb D drive is WD SN770 1Tb Attached files show the benchmark results, i guess the Samsung being OS drive and at 89% full might have an impact in test results, but it seems too much for only be circumstantial so i decided to change the OS to the WD 770. So i want to exchange the drive letters how to achieve that without taking out a drive physically? If i install OS in D drive i think it will be problem then changing the OS drive to C. drive afterwards, or am i wrong.

Will add a WD 770SN and replace the 2x8Gb with 2x16Gb.

Got the SN770 what to move the W10 Pro that is in 512Gb drive to it, It seems the WD do not have an app for the propose like Samsung, any good option around?

Well SN770 show better results than others.

But SN770 do not have DRAM cache.

Just saw a review that say KC3000 consumes quite a bit on idle https://www.techadvisor.com/article/723356/best-ssd.html https://www.techpowerup.com/review/wd-black-sn770-1-tb/ https://www.techpowerup.com/review/kingston-kc3000/ In most tests the KC3000 don't seem to be faster than SN770 despite the PCIe difference

It is bit more expensive than SN770 but being able to be transferred to the next laptop might be a consideration depending when PCIe 5 appears. They seem to come with heatsink but to install into a Legion will have to take it off?

I am also considering the WD 770, it basically that or the EVO plus.

Correct jaybee83, i am in Europe and haven't access to a bunch of SSD makers. I have the first Samsung Evo model in 2013 a SATA 128Gb still going in the older laptop, the WD HDD that also came with it already died. One more data point to show the SSD advantage over HDD's...

Hello, Looking to add a 1TB NVMe SDD to my Lenovo Legion 2021 (PCIe 3.0 4x) that already have the 512Gb that came with. I am seeing some SSD coming with heatsinks - like Corsair Force - so i would want to avoid SSD's that get too hot. I have listed these all with 5 years warranty KIOXIA Exceria Plus G2 1TB 3D TLC NVMe 120 euro WD Black SN770 1TB PCIe Gen4 NVMe SSD 109.58 euro Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB PCIe Gen3 NVMe SSD 125 euro it is old released in 2019 it seems but still have good results specially very low latency. (Storage review website) Excluded Crucial P5 Plus CT1000P5PSSD8 1TB ( this is a PCIe 4.0 SSD, 3D NAND ) reason: said to have high power consumption idle so not ideal for laptops, some latency issues too (Storage review website) Western Digital Black SN750 1TB 3D NAND NVMe reason: performance Crucial P3 Plus reason: performance ------------ I am sure i am missing several other, what other models i should look into?

I am the unhappy owner of an office propose HP 15 Bp109np laptop. This laptop had the worse HDD i have encountered, thankfully replaced by a Crucial SSD. But i can't replace or just make it non existent... the discrete GPU AMD R5 M330 that never worked well that even in W10 i disabled in Device Manager. I installed W11 but nevertheless now with 22H2 it crashes the update due to the R5 330. So my question, how can i make the 22H2 install ignore it?

Thanks.

Why i would have asked if not? In Unreal Engine it is easy to get there.