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Funny guy who calls the GT77 an imposter: As Clamibot says the X170 could easily sustain well over 200W for the CPU only so to claim that supporting up to 157W for a short while is great is a joke. I will freely admit that for certain workloads the new processors are so good that they wipe the floor even with the mighty 10900K but then one gets a non-upgradable solution with these devices where the main board can never break out of warranty or it will also break the bank to replace it. Cheap and disposable or wait - it is expensive and disposable - what a brilliant idea!

Yep, apparently very little interest to please the few freaks that still care - they probably think that we used to be a pain in the butt and they are happy that they do not have to deal with us any more. There was always this complete disregard for us even from Clevo and MSI which were two companies that supported several generations of MXM based laptops yet they never offered new MXM based GPUs in some kind of kit to end users. It was always a matter of looking everywhere and paying through the nose for something that often needed a bunch of work to make it run again - very far removed from what we know from desktop systems.

Thanks, I can see it now. I hate people making bullshit claims in their posts - most people over here know that the Clevo X170 and others could go beyond 200W on the 10850/10900 processors, I think mine goes up to 230W. So it was possible to support about 50% more peak power than this generation of laptops. It would be very nice to again have modularity that endures for at least three GPU and CPU generations.

I thought it would be the same as with desktop GPUs in so far that there is an Nvidia reference design that manufacturers are supposed to follow. If it only takes a bunch of manufacturers to agree on a new standard then I would propose to create one that supports up to 350W or even 400W for the GPU. With vapor chambers, improved fans and proper liquid metal application I can see that it will be possible to again have laptops that consume up to 500 or even 550W peak. It is not like we did not have this before:

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Nothing wrong with a laptop with Intel CPU and GPU as long as the CPU is LGA and the GPU of the MXM variety with an alternative Nvidia solution ready to be deployed for those who want it. This is what the new X series was all about for me and now this. Nvidia is also at least partly to blame with their apparent refusal to offer a proper MXM form factor version of their latest top of the line card - hard to put one of those in there when it is not available anymore. Let's hope they will make a return to MXM with the 40x0 cards.

By the way, power consumption of the much thicker predecessor of the GT77 from notebookcheck: https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-GT76-Titan-DT-10SGS-Laptop-Review-Late-Game-Exotic-Gear.496571.0.html Of course these days with hardware that does not need that much less we are down to one 330W power brick and a puny combined power envelope of 250W for both CPU and GPU.

The worst thing about it is that at least so far and in this generation no other company is offering more, so this currently is as good as it gets. As we get ready to have CPUs and GPUs that could really make use of more power all the laptops that could supply 400+ watts of power to their CPU and GPU section are all gone. Clamibot has a point about dual USB-C being able to give us 480 watts so I am not worried about where the power is coming from with USB-C but apart from that I feel like those of us who would like top notch performance in a laptop don't matter any more. By the way, here is what the predecessor used to consume, surely more than 350W max between CPU and GPU:

First post on new forum after seeing the X170 "successor" . So I have been looking for something new with a big screen, substantial cooling and power and the capability to take my 4 x 32 RAM sticks. Instead I first read about MSI selling a slimmed down all BGA jokebook as a successor for the mighty titan that only used to be half turdbook before. Reading further I find out that Dell is doing even more proprietary crap with their workstations, HP and Lenovo sizing down to 16" and now Clevo selling out completely. When the trend for slim bezels took hold I was really thinking that somebody could take a form factor that we were used to from 17.3" and big bezels and take it to high refresh QHD or QHD+ 19 or even 19.5" screens depending on the screen aspect ratio. Add some nice cooling, LGA and MXM and a nice keyboard with a normal layout, the ability to take a number of drives and RAM for high end DTR duties and proper non-gimped keyboard and we would have a great enthusiast solution.. Instead we get NONE of that and what is worse is that almost nobody seems to care...