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  1. 1610ftw
    Well, this has hundreds of posts, got a link?
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    Which main thread are you talking about?
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    I do not think that I misunderstood. My point was that in stock condition and as intended the x170 is the better laptop due to a number of factors with one very important one being the demise of SLI. Can the P870 be made better with a lot of effort and specialized knowledge? Clearly it can but that does not negate my point about the X170 being a better overall laptop in stock condition. As the P870 already has a thread where this is discussed I suggest we take this discussion there as I think that what you are doing with the P870 chassis is pretty cool.
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    From my experience a setting that works well enough for a ten minute CB R23 will be good enough for stable everyday use. Not that it matters much any more as after all that tweaking I have to activate virtualization again which voids all the nice undervolting I did so it is basically for fun only on my main laptop.
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    That has some crazy potential with a 980W power supply and water cooling but it has to have a bigger screen and a proper keyboard. No idea who gave input on this but with a QHD+ 18" and a proper full keyboard with numpad it would be a much more tempting option. I can understand that they may want to have a mousepad in there and possibly it is difficult to place it in front of the keyboard or it would increase height but in my opinion that is not necessary for what is really a mobile desktop. When you always need a power outlet you should also be able to bring a mouse even if the trackpad cannot be moved down in front of the keyboard. Oh and I wonder about their battery option - would be nice to at least have some one or two hours of battery life and it would probably help with sales.
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    So this is for the ten minute run? That is very impressive!
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    Looking forward to hear how much you can get although MSI is notorious for sometimes having rather useless presets for this. I think that in stock condition my Raider 18 HX did not get much above 30000 and later with some tweaking and for single runs I managed to get around 37000 out of it and a bit more than 39000 when pushing it to the max - big difference. With the 285HX and its seemingly limited undervolting potential I do not expect that much of a difference but I would assume that while you will see around 39K at first you will eventually be able to get closer to 41K.
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    I doubt that you are lacking much with a CB R23 score of almost 41000 without undervolting - that is a huge score: https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-fastest-gaming-laptop-is-now-even-better-thanks-to-300-Hz-mini-LED-XMG-Neo-16-E25-RTX-5090-laptop-review.1016705.0.html
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    It is very impressive that for high performance laptops Uniwill / Tongfang are leading the way in several areas: modularity cooling bios customizeability thanks to working with Prema Intel and AMD option for the CPU To be fair to Clevo they are not exceptionally bad with regard to modularity but they have fallen in line with everybody else and they are still not back at the top when it comes to cooling capacity. Luckily the combination of improved cooling over last gen and a CPU that needs less power will give a lot better results but the 330W power supply already shows that they are not that serious about performance.
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    Not sure what the argument is here. Clearly an desktop GPU board would only fit in the P870 but for using it as is the X170 is a better laptop because the added capability of the P870 to use a second GPU is not of much use any more and does not outweigh the keyboard, sound and lesser CPU cooling. In any case what is holding the P870 back the most is by now the CPU unless maybe you manage to put a 5080 in there for 4K gaming where frame rates will be affected the least.
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    The P870 is a better desktop but it had issues cooling the 9th gen CPUs. The X170 was the better laptop except for the stupid dual power supply construction: much better sound better keyboard better fans unified heatsink I would also have preferred to see those improvements in a slightly bigger chassis with even better cooling but Clevo probably thought it would be overkill. Looking at the size of 5080 and 5090 desktop cards minus the cooler it is indeed a shame that nobody puts them in a laptop. We know it is possible to cool up to 400W of GPU in a laptop as has been shown by SLI designs from Clevo and MSI.
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    The X580 is kind of a return to form after the lackluster X270 and X370 but they did not go all the way like with the X170 that in many aspects was a very good design.
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    Looks very good indeed! There is a reason I wish they'd do an 18" workstation. I know you have been considering to go with a 16" laptop and for your use case this always looked like the strongest option with the TB4 connection, the impressive TDP and the Prema Bios. Glad to hear that the quality is also pretty good now which I am told wasn't always the case. I read up a bit on undervolting of the new Intel chips and it seems to me that the gains are rather limited with values like -50mV. If that was the case then maybe it is not such a big deal if it isn't available as power savings would be pretty small at only -50mV.
  14. 1610ftw
    Cool 🙂 Let us know how things work out with your SSDs!
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    That is very cool as for the last gen nothing changed between 1 and 25! Sent that to MSI as feedback and also the lack of fan blades and this year there are more fan blades and also the fan speed has a bigger range - well done!
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    I think that the fan control is a big relief as pulsing is worse than a certain minimum level of fan noise that can be tolerated. How are the fans controlled this gen - do they actually get more quiet below 25 or is that still the minimum and below that they do not reduce their noise level any further?
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    Not really - only MSI offers the combo of 4 drives, vapor chamber, UHD LED screen and mechanical keyboard. I have asked Schenker about the option to undervolt the X580 as I have done this with all my main laptops for a long time now and there is always some improvement to be had by undervolting.
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    So this week after some more testing I wanted to pull the trigger on the 5070Ti version of the X580 from Schenker and along comes this: https://news.lenovo.com/pressroom/press-releases/forge-tomorrow-the-new-lenovo-legion-9i-18-10-brings-games-to-life-for-gamers-and-developers-from-vision-to-victory/ 18" 4 drives 4 memory slots 2 TB5 So same as in the Clevo which is pretty unbelieveable coming from Lenovo! Crazy specs, and some things that I have been missing in the Clevo: undervolting vapor chamber cooling rated at up to 280W 400W power supply TB5 with 140W power delivery unless something changes dramatically a very nice keyboard with a good cursor key section Not so great and potential downsides: possibly no QHD display which could be a dealbreaker dual sided SSDs are not confirmed as being supported no subwoofer but supposedly a 6 chassis speaker system looks less understated than the Clevo
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    This is all still pretty new so I would simply check temps and performance, they should be easy to check. Plus for workstation use I will mostly use the CPU in my laptops so that already helps with temps.
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    This can actually be a very smart solution as in todays laptops memory, chipsets and the SSDs can get very toasty. So an added fan or two that get(s) the air moving over all those components is a really good idea. More and more manufacturers seem to want to make sure that those areas are cooled and so far we are already seeing that third fan with Asus, TongFang and Gigabyte even has two added fans for that purpose. The Cooling has some TongFang vibes by the way if you look at their latest 16" watercooling design:
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    I doubt it would make much more than a 20 to 30W difference and for CPU only / CPU heavy loads it will probably have very little real world impact. I have waited (very long) for feedback about the 5070Ti and it seems that it is pretty good and not that much worse than the 4080 mobile last year so it looks like I will go with that, looking forward to the 580!
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    I checked a few pics from CES and one of their models looks like a Clevo and another one has a distinct Dell vibe. Looks like they emulate the look of other manufacturers including TongFang. Do you have a link where we can see the inside of the X560? 3 drives is above average for sure and it is still puzzling that Clevo does not go for a vapor chamber in their top model.
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    Surprise surprise: Medion announced its ERAZER Beast 18 X1 and I thought it was another X580 vendor but instead it looks like a TongFang! Sadly without liquid cooling: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/medion-erazer-beast-18-nvidia-rtx-5080-32gb-18-qhd-240hz-intel-ultra-9-27-lap-mdn-04289.html Connectivity is rather sparse and if I had to guess it is 2 NVME and 2 memory slots each. For me this might be the best looking chassis this gen including the keyboard with proper cursor keys and a separate power button.
  24. 1610ftw
    He already ordered a Thinkpad P16 Gen 2 and received it on the 14th of March.
  25. 1610ftw
    I have a MSI GT76 with the 10900K and the 2080 Super, same gen as the X170, and it also can be set up so that it is astonishingly quiet at about 90% of max performance. It also has a very nice fan control called silent option that I am sure you will remember - those were the days... The previous Raider chassis is actually the most stealth and completely black chassis option minus the red accents, at least it is only red and black and nothing else. Had both the Titan and the Raider and very much prefer the Raider as I am much more of a red than a blue guy plus the Raider was a lot less and had the QHD option. All black would of course be much better but then MS probably thinks that this is too boring. The keyboard obviously can be any color you want but I remember you had an issue with RGB at bootup that I imagine could be rather annoying in corporate style meetings... Having lately had the pleasure to check out the CreatorPro 18 this is indeed the one I would want if it wasn't for the fact that it only has two NVME slots which is a really bad joke on behalf of MSI. The chassis is basically a Raider chassis but only in shades of grey / silver and with a bluish-white keyboard and the vapor chamber / 400W power brick that it shares with the Titan. Looks very nice "in person" but the keyboard deck still has more flex than the Titan 18 that is more solid in that area.
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