1610ftw
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Probably not that much room for improvement compared to other designs and with that kind of power uptake. Yep, would be cool to ask. They seem to be into even numbers these days for screens like 14" and 16" so I would propose an 18 or 19" DTR 😄
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The Legion is perfect for your use from what it looks like and 7 to 9 hours is very nice. If it was bigger and had even better cooling, more memory and more storage options it would probably run almost as long it just wouldn't fit your use case of lower volume for increased portability.
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Some residual brain function obviously is a prerequisite for an informed decision 😄
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By definition a big DTR will take away some sales from laptops of the same brand, no idea why you would dispute that. As for the poor battery performance of DTRs it is a myth and only due to Clevos ineptitude and not by design. Battery life was a lot better on the all socketed MSI WT75 for example and @win32asmguywill be able to confirm that. As for brands not being a thing in the laptop world I invite you to have a look at the forums of HP, Lenovo or MSI and certainly others where there are a lot of brand loyalists. Anyway I have made my point. There is not really too much incentive to continue this as some of us here kicked around a number of good ideas imo but until AMD or Nvidia show some support we will continue to get BGA books with an occasional socketed CPU or GPU but nothing else.
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I am not sure that the issue with a DTR system is not simply that nobody makes any money off it. The issue probably is that companies like to make LOADS of money. Now a DTR poses two issues on the financial side: 1. It probably sells enough to make a small profit, maybe even a relatively handsome one but certainly not huge sums. 2. It shows up the thinner and lighter BGA books that by comparison look weak in multiple aspects and sales will probably be affected negatively. This can be an issue but then if only one company offers a DTR they can also get customers from other brands who will switch brands for a proper DTR.
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In the KM-G I ripped out that silly light strip on the back - hated it 😄
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Think about a motherboard for a BGA-book. Now think about the GPU chip. Make it socketable and I cannot really see why it would not be possible to make it compatible for example with a 3060, 3070 Ti and a 3080 Ti. Power delivery would of course have to be capped according to the capabilities of the board but other than that why not? And yes I can see where this would be a bit more complicated than doing this for a CPU but it would be doable if Nvidia and AMD would HAVE to do it.
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That's what I meant with adaptation period - would be nice if they could go on a socket like CPUs. Not that I expect this to happen but it would be great for serviceability, upgradeability and to keep costs of spare parts down - all good reasons for manufacturers NOT to do it 😄
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Yep, we have zero choice while there are thousands of BGA books - not OK. And if it had to be one or the other I would of course choose socketed 😄 Thinking about it I would strongly prefer if Nvidia and AMD would also sell their graphics chips in the same way that AMD and Intel are selling their CPUs. It could be so much more fun and a lot less electronic waste after an initial adaptation period.
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Not at all - it is just that they should be allowed to exist in the first place. Currently we do not have one fully socketed DTR and the three highest performing 3080Ti machines from Eluktronics, MSI and Asus are BGA only with a maximum weight of ca. 7lbs and a maximum power uptake of 330W which just isn't enough these days.
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There are indeed benefits for that but I do not really have issues with the size or battery of DTRs except for the worst examples that may have about 2 hours battery life. What I find annoying is that some gaming laptops look rather gaudy and not understated enough. With the ability to switch off all RGB and a business like neutral greyish or black exterior I would probably be quite happy with some gaming machines except for the way they have logos on their top cover or with some lighting effects that cannot be switched off.
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USB-C is still only one port if I don't have a hub so when it is taken for display port duties I cannot use it for charging or anything else any more. I used to use these ports on my MSI GT72: power ethernet analog audio stereo headphone or digital optical output mini display port HDMI display port via thunderbolt 5 x USB-A SD-card That is 13 or 14 ports, good luck finding that today in devices that mostly come with a total of maybe 9 or 10 ports if at all despite having a lot more PCI lanes than before.
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Not sure what you mean with this is due to lanes but if you mean the lack of ports then the new HX chips have plenty of lanes that should support at least the same number of ports as before and not less. Making power delivery via USB-C mandatory would probably be a benefit but it should not be an excuse for the higher end chipsets with more lanes than ever before.
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You can apparently get at least the Dell 7770 with the 3080 Ti as a special order. No idea if that was also possible with the 3080 and the 7760 but it seems to be a special deal with Nvidia that they are not very public about, maybe also in order to not publicly piss off other manufacturers (Clevo) that also would have liked to offer such a card. You can read more about it in the 7x70 thread: Less connectors seems to be a trend for years now and it has been years that I saw an array of audio connectors that used to be the norm on older MSI units and to a lesser degree on Clevo units including an optical digital output, same with standard USB connectors that are dying out a lot faster than the devices that still need the connector, used to be up to 5 or 6 and now we can be happy if we get 3. Docking stations used to be an option but now they are a necessity or as an alternative we can use hubs or dongles that often do not work as well as a direct connection or necessitate some testing and trying out to find a good solution that may work well with one manufacturer and less so with another. Good point about the spikes, not sure how much of a thing they are in laptops but it cannot hurt to be able to get a bigger power supply just in case - only that we can't except if we would be willing to import that Eurocom power supply that is not really universal and has its own issues.
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I am not sure I entirely trust those smaller power adapters yet. The smallest and lightest 240W version that I have seen was from HP and it got VERY hot even with moderate power draw, much hotter than an older and bigger 240W adapter from MSI that barely gets hot. Bottom line is some manufacturers seem to overdo it so smaller does mean smaller but also hotter which is probably not what most people would be looking for. It would have helped if power connectors of the adapter and power delivery had been standardized many years ago - much easier for several companies to give us good power adapters in different output classes but with the ever changing connectors that companies come up with this is just not feasible. If I bought an MSI today it would mean that I would have three different power connectors between the three laptop generations I bought over the years with zero interchangeability and it is probably not that much different for other manufacturers with the possible exception of Dell.
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Completely understood, very hypothetically speaking of course and not that I would have any specific vendors in mind 😄
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I have been using a variation of these but found this one a bit better as it folds together which is very nice on the go, plus it has two different height options which is also nice: https://www.ringkestore.com/products/folding-stand-2 I also use it on one laptop at home and it holds up to the MSI GT75 or Clevo P870 if needed. Guess they did not really think it would be used for that kind of laptop size but then I don't do slim and light 😄
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Would be nice to be able to get this as a kit as then it would be possible to get better fans without having to pay for the added fans which I expect to be less than great. It would also enable us to use other fan arrays like for example 2 x 2 or 3 x 2 with 140mm fans or 2 x 1 with 200mm fans.
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Keyboard capabilities for the mech version should be relatively comparable to the MSI GT77 that is said to have a very nice keyboard except for the numpad that apparently is intended for hobbits. I like what they are doing and if storage and memory options are good enough this seems to be the design to beat with regard to pure GPU performance.
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I knew it - not nice of you to be so cruel but you can make up for it by convincing Prema to release his work at some point so that others can get more out or their 12900K 😄
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Yes most of the market wants to go into one direction but if it is because many of them are brainwashed sheep then it is not really a free decision, is it? Nor can I decide at this point that I do not want powerful graphics when there are no really powerful graphics on offer. I cannot even offer that as a manufacturer if I wanted and I assume that the secret Dell deal tells it all - Dell got the socketed 3080 Ti because they have some pull with Nvidia whereas Clevo did get nothing for this generation. It is no free choice when it is accompanied by massive brainwashing and backdoor dealings within the industry that prevents superior products being on offer as they are inconvenient and bad for business. Top of the line BGA books getting shown up is not good for the slim and light business model after all and could show people that not all is good in slim and light land.
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I have watched notebookcheck for years and the constant hate-mongering against anything that is a bit heavier is so annoying. A few weeks ago I called them out on it and suggested that there may be some benefit in reporting on the state of the DTR for a change or even to promote bigger and smarter machines or to inquire with manufacturers why everything in the laptop world currently seems to be going in one (thinner and lighter) direction. Of course the answer was that there was no answer - crickets. As for power supplies I have a bunch of the big 330W bricks here for my laptop "collection" and one of the bricks has the older barrel connector that used to be in pretty much universal use at Dell and others and I have a range of 180, 240 and 330W specimens with that connector and they all work with numerous Dell, MSI and HP laptops. So when I travel with a compatible laptop I can bring any power supply I like ranging in weight (with power cable) from ca. 0.6kg/1.1lbs to ca. 1.5kg/3.3lbs. Will be much easier to do this with laptops that get power via USB once we get the higher 240W power limit that is about to be implemented. At that point even without the infamous Eurocom power supply we would be able to deliver up to 330W via the regular power supply and we can add another 240W via USB-C and if there are two USB-C connectors with power delivery we could ramp it up to two of them and a total of 810W or 480W via UCB-C alone - problem solved. As for that MSI GE77HX it is quite obvious that a 330W power adapter is what is needed and the bigger GE77HX even pulls up to 350W - we used to have solutions with two power bricks for that, too from the manufacturers like for example MSI but not any more I guess - just reduce power by throttling and you'll be fine.
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You're such a tease, get a 12900K already and let us know how far you can take it with the help of @Prema 😄
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With the power envelope of the NH55 I am quite impressed that you are managing to go up to 24K in CB23 and with that roughly double of what Clevo intended to be the target wattage. I also see the issue with the BGA chips and the silicon lottery - it basically comes to buying a unit, running benchmarks on it and then returning it if you are looking for the best of the best. That being said I am not aware of how much variance one has to expect with BGA chips but if it is as much as with the 12900K then the differences in results seem to easily go up to 10% if one hits the silicone lottery. As for the scores I have never seen a CPU or GPU score on notebookcheck or with the usual YouTube reviewers that I couldn't beat quite easily with some tweaking and proper application of thermal paste so when a score is high that is something that I am noticing as usually those scores are always quite low. As an example I believe that their CR23 of the Raptor X15 was only 17K with the 12700K which is silly as I would expect at the least 20K - shows how good they are with this as they only take the out of the box performance which basically guarantees subpar results. So I found that GE67 quite noteworthy as even under these conditions it managed to get such a high score.
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Thanks, curious if you find anything different. What I experience is that the system seems to stall when for example I open up another browser window or an excel worksheet. If a video is running I might also get stuttering. Closing memory hogs like Chrome, Thunderbird or a virtual machine reduces the memory usage enough to get things up to speed again.
