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3 hours ago, Nowan said:

i didnt think there was no restrictions of power adapters over 240w is possible for m6800 maybe m6600 n m6700 also? it can be any dell 330w adapters?

You can use a 330W adapter and it will work (any Dell adapter with the right connector on the end), but it is not going to pull the full 330W. Just like how you can plug one of the Precision 240Ws into a Latitude with integrated GPU and it will "work", but it won't pull nearly 240W.

Past experiments with this era of systems have shown that it doesn't really give you any "benefit" over 240W. It might be helpful if you are using one of these >100W aftermarket GPU upgrades, if there isn't something in the system that would cap the power going to the card. It would be interesting to have some comparison benchmarks.

3 hours ago, Ionising_Radiation said:

My fans on my 7560 are rattling badly. I clean them semi-regularly (~3-4 months), and replace the paste, but this rattle is very new. Oddly enough, it goes away when the fan RPM goes up. 

I may need a new heatsink assembly.

I'm still using the 7560 at work.

I also started to have rattling fans at certain RPMs. Fortunately, I was just before the three-year warranty cutoff when it started so I just had them ship a new heatsink out. That did take care of it.

5 hours ago, DynamiteZerg said:

What's the fastest mxm card we can deploy in a M6800 LVDS setup without the mux limiting the performance of the mxm card?

3 hours ago, SuperMG said:

M5000M and 980M

Yes, those are the ones. I don't know if you could fit a full fat 980 in (without the "M"), IIRC is it a weird shape and requires an extra power connector. Everything newer than that is eDP only.

[Edit]

This is the GeForce 980 (no "M").

Any M.2 PCIe Wi-Fi card should work fine. I upgraded my Precision 7530 to Wi-Fi 6 (Intel AX210 card). Just sure the card is PCIe and not CNVi / CNVio.

New Precision systems announced. We have "Pro Precision 5" and "Pro Precision 7", each with a 14" and 16" version. I am guessing that the flagship workstation will be "Pro Precision 9" which is not announced yet.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-unveils-Dell-Pro-Precision-5-Series-14-and-16-with-Intel-Panther-Lake-and-LPCAMM-memory.1251264.0.html

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Super-powerful-Dell-Pro-Precision-7-14-and-Pro-Precision-7-16-workstation-laptops-are-now-official.1251730.0.html

2 hours ago, mdllctln said:

Would a lesser GPU be able to fit? The 7560 I'm eyeing currently has the RTX A2000 and I'm looking at an A3000 from a 7760 on eBay.

Check the GPU shape/dimensions using photos. If it is not the same as a 7560 GPU, you're going to have issues. As far as I know, all 7760 GPUs are the same size, but I am not completely sure about that.

10 minutes ago, Annihilator said:

 

uhhh, so the m6800 is a massive step forward 😄 

I was referring to M4700/M6700 here. These systems can only use iGPU with an LVDS panel.

3 hours ago, mdllctln said:

Hello all, I'm planning to get a Dell Precision 7560. I was wondering if it was at all possible to use the GPU from a 7760 and use it on the 7560? Thank you.

See: 

The 7760 GPU is physically larger and will require physical mods in order to "make it fit".

iGPU can't be used with eDP displays in this system, only LVDS.

Just install the current Windows 10 driver from NVIDIA's web site.

It is no surprise that there is no Windows 11 driver. Windows 11 is not "supported" on any system that came with this GPU. NVIDIA had also ended driver support for it before Windows 11 was released.

If you have hesitations, I recommend sticking to officially supported GPUs. Users installing unsupported GPUs should be ready to deal with extra steps installing drivers, potentially unexpected issues, etc.

If you do go with an "unsupported" GPU...

You will need a heatsink mod to install a Maxwell or Pascal GPU. You have to cut off a protruding piece so you will need a Dremel or similar tool. You can reuse the existing thermal pads.

NVCleanstall can handle driver installation nowadays. You don't need to manually muck with the driver INF file. You would have to use NVCleanstall with every driver update.

2 hours ago, aleksandar said:

Thank you in advance and best regards.

A failing/failed GPU seems most likely, but it's going to require some actual (physical) troubleshooting to figure out.

Removing and reseating the GPU is not a bad idea. I personally think the chances of this actually fixing anything are near-zero. But you aren't "out" anything other than your time and some thermal paste.

Resetting the BIOS settings is also something that I would try. I don't necessarily expect that this will fix anything either, but I would still try it before moving on to more steps. (You could use the option to reset from inside the BIOS setup, or you could just disconnect the power and the coin cell battery for a few moments.) Do be sure to note what settings that you have so that you can put them back.

We're looking at a hardware issue if neither of those help. Then the question is: is it the GPU (most likely) or something on the motherboard that is preventing the GPU from being recognized (less likely but also possible)? And the only way to figure that out is to replace one of them and see if it fixes the problem.

It looks like you can get a replacement K3100M from eBay for around $30, or maybe think about using this as an opportunity to upgrade...

1 hour ago, ygohome said:

Based on recent posts, is this Dell Pro Max a good system?  Or is this something I should maybe not consider due to issues I'm reading about?

I have not used one personally. However, I haven't heard from anyone who seems to have an overall good impression. 😕

1 hour ago, ygohome said:

If not the Max Pro, what is another next best? *doesn't even have to be Dell but I'd like it to be a professional series.

I mean, really the only options in this category are Dell, HP, and Lenovo. At my office, we have switched from Dell Precision to Lenovo P16 for dev workstations. I have not used of the Lenovos myself personally, though, either. I passed on the "upgrade" and I am going to be switching to MacBook Pro for work as soon as I can.

I'm also worried about physical damage. The "normal" behavior for when a GPU upgrade causes fan misbehavior is just that the fans will not turn on, report 0 RPM, and will behave when manually adjusted with a tool like this. (I seem to remember usually hearing about this when it comes to AMD GPU upgrades, though.)

8 hours ago, Nrml Man said:

Need your help.I want to buy new ssd (m2),i choise between PCIe 4.0 and 3.0 disks with a similar price (~100 usd).Will PCIe-4's speed work on 7730?

No, the drive will run at PCIe 3 speed in that system. If the price is the same, though, you could pick it up with the thought of maybe using it in a newer system in the future.

4 hours ago, synclear said:

The M4800 + M2000M was installed and the driver was installed normally.
However, GPU FAN is not working.
Running diagnostics causes a 20000-0511 error.

After removing the FAN, it was confirmed that the FAN operates normally when power is supplied from the outside.
Is there any way to solve this issue or anything else I need to check?

I look forward to your kind reply.

Tools like SpeedFan or HWiNFO64 can manually control the fan in this system. If you use one of those, can you get the fan to turn on?

1 hour ago, aleksandar said:

Can someone guide me on installing a Wi-Fi 6 or 7 card?

Intel AX200 should be fine. I had one of those in my Precision M6700, with an M.2 adapter, and it worked great. I would think BE200 would also be fine but I haven't tried that one. I think you can even get AX200 in mPCIe form factor (might be harder to find) so you wouldn't need an M.2 adapter.

The M.2 adapter that you linked to won't work. You need an A or E key adapter, and that one is B key. (I made this mistake too.)

Note that you will need adapters for the antenna cables as well. Look for "U.FL to MHF4" adapters.

When I installed a M.2 Wi-Fi card in my M6700 with an adapter, at one point I pressed down too hard and it ended up causing a scratch on the motherboard, which broke a trace and led to me having to replace the motherboard. Be careful with the install. I recommend putting some electrical tape *under* the adapter, between the adapter and the motherboard, just to reduce the chance of damage to the motherboard.

Here's some that I think must be laptops because of the 14 and 16, but, probably not the high-end flagship.

Dell Pro Precision 7 14 PW714260

Dell Pro Precision 7 16 PW716260

4 minutes ago, JadeRover said:

That screen is compatible if you have :

- RGB-MB (goes from motherboard to interposer board) cable for the premier color LCD

- eDP to LVDS premier colo interposer board

- RGB-LCD (goes from interposer to LCD) cable

nevermind you have all that, hadn't seen your prior message

 

To be honest it is less of a hassle to get the 3D cable that is actually a standard 40 pin eDP cable + buying a 40 pin lcd, can be 1080p 120hz, 1440p 165hz or even 4k 60hz/120hz. Not to mention that these screens will be better than the premier color 1080p 60hz LCD

You can put a "standard" eDP display in (like a 16:9 4K panel) but these will take a bit of work to get to "fit", the M6700 was released before the "standard" form factor for these panels had materialized (which Dell started using in Precision 7710). It's possible to fit one in, though. I'm not sure what it takes exactly, but I know that @TheQuentincc had a 4K panel working in the M6700 at one point.

The 120 Hz glossy "3D" panel that originally shipped in this system can be fit in without such worries. Sorry, I don't have the model number.

11 hours ago, Annihilator said:

P5200 vs. P4200

This seems a bit flaky to me. They don't give details of the system that these tests were run on. There are anomalies like P4200 actually winning their Vulkan test.

I'll admit to not digging into the tests here too much, because I already know how it's going to shake out. I've been closely following this line of systems for 15+ years and this is something that has come up for discussion and testing, over and over and over again. There was a lot of chatter about this on NotebookReview at the time of the launch of these systems. Users who had the systems in hand tried different things. P4200 and P5200 were barely different in most cases.

This really started to get a lot of attention with the Pascal generation as it started to become clear around that time how NVIDIA was putting very power-constrained desktop-class chips that could "use" a lot more power into laptops, and the power limit was the limiting factor on their performance. But the same has held true with every generation since then, comparing 4000- and 5000- series GPUs from NVIDIA in mobile workstations. It makes sense, given that the architecture and the power limit are the same. Spreading out the load over more cores is going to help with efficiency, but not to the tune of >10% performance. You're welcome to check yourself if you get one in hand.

1 hour ago, Annihilator said:

14% difference i not would call it nearly same performance(both at 100W)

Every benchmark that I saw when these launched put the difference at <5% if there was not VRAM pressure.

1 hour ago, Xpb4me said:

Howdy, I’ve had an m6700 for about 5 years now

• GPU ... GeForce 980M or Quadro M5000M are the best options for "hassle-free" upgrades in this system. (They perform about the same.)
• CPU ... only you can decide if it is "worth" the upgrade, but going from 3740 to 3840 is going to be pretty negligible in terms of performance boost, I wouldn't spend a lot on it. If you can get the better cooler for cheap, that's a good upgrade to do, these CPUs will max at 100 °C and thermal throttle under load so anything you can do to help with the thermals will increase performance a little bit.
• Display ... From what I recall, the original RGB IPS LCD display panel has been pretty much impossible to source for years now. You could get the 120 Hz display (Samsung I think?). It was marketed as the "3D" panel, but the 3D functionality won't work with a Maxwell GPU installed. It will still work as a nice 120 Hz 1080p panel. Note that it is glossy, not matte. It doesn't need a replacement lid or the interposer board, it just needs the "3D" eDP cable. (You will probably have to do a BIOS reset to get it to work after replacing a LVDS display.)

Cards from the Precision 7740 can be used, but as is typical with this sort of cross-generation upgrade, you will need an INF mod to load the NVIDIA driver under Windows and that can mess with a small number of games that are particular about driver signatures for anti-cheat purposes.

I'm not sure about the heatsink. I don't think a swap is needed but I can't confirm. Carefully check photos of the cards and make sure that screw holes and VRMs are in the same position.

Because of the power cap, performance of P4200 and P5200 will be nearly identical in this system. The only reason to upgrade would be if you can make use of the extra VRAM.

I've had it fail exactly once. Dell Precision 7560. Dell replaced the motherboard and I ran the BIOS update tool to get it up to the then-current BIOS. It appeared to complete successfully, but it never booted up again after that, it just showed a black screen forever. Dell had to replace the motherboard a second time.