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It's this one, right? https://www.hidevolution.com/msi-titan-gt77hx-13vi-042us-17-3-uhd-144hz-i9-13980hx-rtx-4090.html Check out the disclaimer: "speeds subject to system capability" Unless you really need 128GB, get the 2x32GB config. 4 DIMM DDR5 dual channel support is a mess. I have a 5600 MHz Kingston kit, and after months of tuning and BIOS updates I managed to run at... wait for it: If you get the 4-stick kit, but you don't need that much RAM, you will just end up taking 2 sticks out and selling them, in order to run the RAM at full speed. Also the RAM is strangely cheap. $400 for 128GB? I would inquire what exact modules are supplied... Might turn out you are better off getting the cheapest config + some better aftermarket RAM.

Too bad Spartan parted ways with us. BTW No way it will run at 5600MHz stable, I think, unless perhaps they configured it with some atrocious > 40CL latencies.

Yeah, that's another advantage of desktop cards - the memory is much more overclockable (in addition to having higher baseline bandwidth). My 2060 Max-Q only goes to +400, maybe +500 stable, whereas with desktop cards you are talking over +1000.

Your mem oc looks pretty conservative. Is that as far as your 3060 goes?

Good question. I have only used it on the CPU so far. I don't really have a major GPU temp issue (around 60C). It would indeed be interesting to see how this material performs on a cooler surface such as GPU. I can confirm it works extremely well with sustained loads at 80C plus. Bear in mind that despite being called a pad, it's extremely thin (0.25mm I believe) and in fact a bit tricky to apply, so not really suitable for use outside of CPU/GPU cooling (PCH/SSD perhaps). Repeating a promising tip from bro @cylix for the record: apparently it's helpful to put the pad in the fridge for a while before application, otherwise it bends/kinks/rips rather easily. I got the first 80x40mm sheet from a local scalper on eBay (good for 2 LGA1700 applications, I ruined the first half while trying to peel off the top-side plastic). He actually sent me a generic 7950 pad despite advertising Honeywell, works great though. I ordered another one via eBay, but that still hasn't arrived. I should get around to getting one more and perhaps the paste from ebuy7, although feeling no pressure given how well the system is performing. There was a brief (several bench/cooldown cycles) "curing" period, it was mesmerizing to observe the power draw slowly go up from initially unimpressive levels to - in my case - record, before my very eyes during the first few CB23 runs.

PTM7950, i.e. the "Honeywell" industrial-grade phase-change TIM. It's been incredible for me so far (almost 2 weeks, which is a period during which most other top pastes significantly degraded or failed on my system).

LOL, what a mess.. Psst... P...T...M...7....

BF4 on a console with a controller. Really hard to spend more than 30 min on that lol

Haha, if I was building a fun gaming system (or if if it was cooled using a custom loop with a chiller or a gigantic external radiator so fan performance doesn't matter), I would probably do the same thing. I initially enjoyed a bit of RGB bling, but then it kind of got boring. I'm now partial to the subdued starry night system look. This is part of the appeal of owning a desktop - you can mix things up and "redecorate", without dropping another $$$ on a whole system. If starry night gets old, there are always ARGB LED strips lol

I wasn't questioning your rationale, laptops have their uses. I was just curious how MSI GT77's ("their 4090") is different. I thought you meant it has some unique features setting it apart from other 4090 laptops. That said, if people spend money on these mobile GPUs, they are voting with their wallets for more marketing shenanigans and castration, but if you need one then what can you do. My guess is NVidia will at some point release less castrated versions of those Ada mobile GPUs as "Ti". They won't be as fast the desktop counterparts of course, but they could conceivably bump the power limits and VRAM bandwidth to where they should have been from the start.

Actually, who knows if that extra power would help, given the severe memory bandwidth limitation. I mean it's a 50% cut vs 3090Ti, so even a bit more vs 4090 desktop. Electronics Mag 17 scored 21.5K in "beast mode"...

Thanks, Prema BIOS seems to add CPU/memory tuning, which makes sense. 21.5k in TS graphics in "Beast mode"... Even if you could increase the GPU power, the slow VRAM would probably bottleneck it anyway. I mean, it's a > 50% cut in bandwidth vs the desktop part. At least the laptop is priced OK, well built, comes with proper BIOS and is configurable. If I was forced to update my laptop now, this would be on my shortlist if available here.

Nice review, thanks for taking the time. 4090 performance along the expectations I guess. Any thermal throttling the WC option might help with, or is it unnecessary?

Does the Prema BIOS allow the laptop to push beyond the 175W GPU power limit?

How is their 4090 different? The issue is the power limit. Maybe that's faster than stock 3090s but not your OCed and chilled one.

Not sure. People have scored 25k with a 3090 alone. The OC doesn't look too extreme, and - if the description is factual - no chilled WC or LN2 was used. Anyway, this is mostly relevant for gamers. The 3090 Ti beats the 4090 mobile soundly on specs, and actually in many games and gaming benchmarks at 4K. https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-4090-Laptop-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.675091.0.html There is no comparison between the two devices really, apart from energy efficiency: 8GB more VRAM, +50% memory bandwidth, some 20% more theoretical FP performance. https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4090-mobile.c3949 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3090-ti.c3829 Nvidia should have allowed at least 20% more power for high-end 4090 laptops.

Thanks, sounds like a great idea, I wish I came up with that. The pad itself was generic and came with no instructions at all. Still going strong after some 10 days, in fact seems like it's holding up really well.

If you are going to put on a water block anyway, then there is no reason to pay for oversized heatsinks, right? I guess BIOS would be another factor, but is there any advantage in using cards from manufacturers other than EVGA (of course now defunct in the video card department)? Will be interesting how this exotic Galax stuff plays out for bro @Papusan. Edit: Missed bro @Mr. Fox's post where he pointed out some AIB cards have better VRMs, which may or may not matter given Ada's energy efficiency. I have to say I am very impressed with the FE so far. This thing is built like a rock. Mounted horizontally, there is virtually no sag, as opposed to a much lighter MSI card I can compare with (the 3090Ti is a little slimmer than the 4090 though - 2.7 slot roughly). Performance has been above baseline too, I hope Micron have treated their Nvidia overlords to good memory chips. Up to +1250 is fairly stable, which would translate to 23GHz, although being generally distrustful of Micron I run it at 22.5GHz. Temps on air inside a somewhat crowded case are around 60C at 200W with fans on auto (~30%, inaudible). On a minor note, I got rid of all the "bling bling" at the time I installed industrial fans throughout, and now the only sources of light inside the case are the white mobo LCD and the subtle white GEFORCE logo, which gives the otherwise all black system a nice mysterious starry night look though the side panel mesh :)

BTW the top TS Graphics score for the 3090 Ti on 3DMark is ...

That's OK sir, good guys don't always win. (I kind of hate this saying, although it is occasionally funny :)

Nice and pretty good price.

Pretty insane. What VRAM did EVGA put in there BTW?

Recently watched Fauda (CSGO fans would def enjoy) and Peaky Blinders (period/crime/British politics).

367W, that's interesting. Less power than the power produced by the GPU alone. Then again, my thermodynamics is a bit rusty lol Awesome setup. Do you have a way to loop a radiator in via a valve or something, or do you just run the chiller all the time?

Feels like this calls for a neologism of a synonymous nature... to elon someone/something (up) Examples: Oh man, we are really eloned now! The company was eloned up beyond repair during the takeover.