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Sounds like some really custom tough touchpad there. You could get Panasonic to release the docs, and write your own driver :)

For 13900K AFII 360 AIO with 6 Noctua iPPC is barely enough at stock ratios. The CPU really needs to be delidded and ideally cooled using a custom WC loop. Other than that, it's absolutely awesome.

BTW Apps on Linux app stores are also pretty good already.

To be fair, NGreedia got used to these kind of releases on the desktop side as well. For example, the crypto boom era 3060 12GB performs about the same as 2060S, probably due to much lower memory bandwidth :(

Well, apparently NVidia does sometimes listen to community feedback. On the desktop side they were laughed off with the "4080" 12GB and forced to cancel a launch in progress. In contrast, on the laptop side, the community response we seem to observe a lot is along the lines of "OMG mobile 4090 is awesome, because it can sometimes beat 3090Ti desktop card in games!!". Music to the ears of the crafty marketing folks at NVidia :)

@Papusan Message received loud and clear. It used be the case that for a premium, you'd get a basic high spec desktop performance out of a laptop. The premium is still there, seemingly ever larger, but the performance gap is now glaring. Fair to assume that at least some people who are not married to, deeply in love or simply dependent on laptops will be taking this situation into account and at least reviewing their computing spend strategy, especially if they desire top performance or most bang for their buck.

OK, 35818 without any attempt to tune things for this power level, so assuming that 13980HX is roughly equivalent to 13900K at 200W and can hold it, 36k should indeed be within reach. (Max core temp 77C with fans barely audible at 1500RPM lol)

No one in their right mind would put an air cooler on an 13900K. I have a 360 AIO and 6 Noctua IPPC 3000 RPM fans in push pull, and this is barely enough to cool it at stock frequencies with - 55mV undervolt. I might put a 200W power limit on and see what score I get, just for giggles.

It doesn't really matter in terms of estimating performance in normal use of the CPU. Even if genuine, the result is an outlier based on some silly unstable settings. For the purpose of comparison with desktops, the reference score would be somewhere in 43-44k range for the 13900K and even higher for the KS.

Where do you see the temps on the screenshot again? It just shows CB23, right? Sure, if you impose a power limit on 12900K and 13900K you will get scores which are closer together as well. The max score is 33k which seems more reasonable. No way that guy just scored a whopping 10% more than that on an unmodded laptop platform.

I don't believe it. Looks like an LN2 hack if not bare faced photoshop. Median CB23 score is around 30k for this CPU. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i9-13980HX-Processor-Benchmarks-and-Specs.675757.0.html

You can click "..." in the upper right corner of the post, then "Hide post". Poof!

If they are benching, chances are they can afford aircon too :)

That's reassuring I guess, hopefully I'm barking up the wrong tree with this Micron thing. Of course, we don't know if the card didn't die shortly after the record score was achieved. Have yet to attempt running GPU-Z in Wine etc. Kind of procrastinating on this presumably frustrating endavour lol

Micron developed it, but according to the below, it's also manufactured by Samsung. https://www.techoverwrite.com/gddr6-or-gddr6x-for-gaming/ Curious what my 3090Ti has, not sure how to check in Linux though.

True, but there could be some identifiable biases amongst manufacturers. @Papusanwhich VRAM does your HoF sport?

The link I posted earlier had people hint at durability issues. Again the conservative approach here would be to assume that the skunk hasn't really changed its stripes :) In practice the stripes may have improved, but the 4090 is a relatively new card, will need more time and bold overclockers to guinea pig this and verify the reliability profile over time.

It could be anything, although obviously it doesn't look like a typical VRAM issue. One last thing you could try is blow some air/vacuum clean it robustly in case some piece of debris caused a short or something. Super far fetched of course. I feel like these Amazon deals are often repackaged (sometimes barely) open boxes. Someone may have noticed some worrying symptoms before you and returned it, then you delivered the coup de grace during initial benching. There may have been a short period when it was still there but bleeding out so to speak. All that said I would still be rather careful with Micron memory. Wow, what a card, enjoy! Side note: An LCD display? LOL You've now given up any rights to complain about 'bling bling" bro ;)

Yes, Ubuntu, PopOS or Zorin, might have helpful features like that. USB drives just pop in in File Manager GUIs for most distros I think, I don't know what happens if they are not formatted. I am not sure when The Year of Pure Linux Desktop might arrive. The average person would somewhat struggle using Windows. Clever folks like Jobs recognised that, and developed products like iOS which hide away all the complexity for the average user. That's obviously extremely profitable, as opposed to asking people to read and understand a 50 page booklet before they can effectively use their computer. They would rather pay money AND hand over their personal data in order to avoid the effort.

I know, Micron VRAM was doa on my Turing laptop, Micron makes the slowest DDR5 etc. As for the links, first hit on Google bro, looks like there are more. https://www.overclock.net/threads/rtx-4090-and-memory-chip-degradation.1804008/ The word is that SK Hynix and Samsung memory is better.

Micron VRAM. Nuff said. Sorry to hear, must be annoying, but good thing you ordered from Amazon and it happened within the return period.

Yeah, definitely good to see these enter the market - they have a place. The problem with that game is that it essentially boils down to "who has deepest pockets". You can spend 20-30 grand on a Xeon workstation base (just CPUs, cooling and some RAM) from what I can see, so I guess most folks will be left out of the high end game. Here is an enthusiastic piece by LTT (who can afford that lol): Interestingly, he mentioned the obvious too - HEDT market (TRX4 specifically) got destroyed by the insanely powerful consumer chips. Another interesting fact he mentioned is that the whole Sapphire Rapids architecture is based on 12th gen (minus eCores obviously), so a bit deprecated from the start.

What do you mean "a Xeon"? Dual Xeon or bust ;) On a more serious note, dual Xeon mobos seem to be harder to find, compared to say 5-10Y ago. Again, less rationale given how much the baseline and max single CPU performance have increased. 112 cores on a single CPU is a lot.

If anyone is still not clear on MS having become an even more evil company, just go and watch any interview with the CEO. Luckily using their products is a choice, not a necessity.

LOL. I prefer to think of a PC as a hardware platform. One can certainly go a long way towards avoiding becoming a Public Computer user by using Linux or hacking Windows, as people here tend to do.