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Would def be great. In this particular case we are close to zero risk risk of people being malign impostors etc. Thankfully, I haven't witnessed Mr Fox claiming to be a hot 18 year old lol. From the early days of public Internet, I have found that "virtual" camaraderie can actually carry over to RL exceptionally well. I mean if you have so much in common with people to talk with them basically every day on a range of topics, that's an indication of a pretty strong affinity. I'm down for any such events, including occasional gaming sessions, although a fair warning is in order: I was a pretty competitive FPS gamer prior to taking a necessary leave of absence (that's said I'm using a trackball now, it's part of the addiction therapy). What's pretty cool as well, is that we have been having some "bold" adult side conversations off-topic, which haven't really blown up or in resulted in disappointing knee-jerk moderation, my point here being that NBT>NBR and getting better. Credit to bro @Reciever for keeping his head straight in presence of some of the posts there.

Happy birthday @Mr. Fox!

Intel 'stumbled,' CEO says; shares drop 9.5% as loss forecast Wondering where the cuts will fall first...

I don't say this often on these threads lol, but this is kind of in the right ballpark in terms of the premises, except for the biased conclusions. Politicians really prefer borrowing and kicking the can down the road. Traditionally you would say there is a partisan bias there, but not anymore, certainly not in the UK. The populists who still call themselves "Conservatives' have almost bankrupted the UK a couple of times in the past couple of years as they have been trying to outdo the left in an attempt to steal their base. MrT in the US wasn't very different: tax cuts + big infrastructure projects, instead of tightening things up and reigning borrowing in.

Well, again seems AMD-specific fortunately. In the end, all 3rd party tools rely on the HW manufacturer's drivers/API anyway. If the HW manufacturer decides to limit/cripple/lock down overclocking, that will be it. All we can do is vote with our wallets - Azor-powered AMD is making the vote pretty straightforward on the GPU side.

To be fair Nvidia doesn't cripple anything. In fact on Linux (and maybe Windows, I'm not sure) you can do even more fine grained overclocking, e.g. separate offsets per each of the "performance level", using nvidia-settings command line tool. AMD I guess.

It's surprising overclocking features are not directly available in the Windows control panel. Here is roughly what this looks like on Linux:

Clear Linux - the fastest Ubuntu Mate - one of the lightest and yet nicest WM IMHO

It may be good enough for a laptop, but would urge caution with heavily utilized high-end desktops.

Laptops or desktops? If the former then I would agree, but really it's just a matter of expectations. If you expect a lightweight device to use on the go, then you might find something worthwhile on the market, pricing aside. If you expect an awesome high-end, desktop-beating main driver then at the high end it's a resounding lol

GPU prices are likely to stay elevated for the foreseable future IMHO thanks to demand from big tech and their AIs. (sorry for dbl post)

Lost cause IMHO. The only benefit would be repairability/limited upgradability (which are not really in manufacturers' interest). There is no way top end desktop parts would run in a laptop at stock speeds even. It was difficult to cool that before, now it's impossible, unless heavy power throttling were to be imposed which would kind of defeat the point.

Think of this as filling up a chalice with tears of despair, a path towards freedom and salvation. A few drops won't be enough for people to make the effort to free themselves from the situation, but with enough fine effort, such as demonstrated on this thread, the chalice might finally overflow. Keep it coming guys :)

The monitor is 96cm wide and the feet are 45cm apart, so doesn't really require a huge desk.

Thanks for the tips bro, the Alphacool fans are a bargain, the main downside is probably more noise than Noctua and less than half MTBF. My current setup is push-pull with silent fans. This worked great with the 12900KS, but 13900K uses up 50W more power and pushed this pleasantly quiet design over the edge. I think I will stick the Phanteks T30 where I can and replace the AIO fans with iPPC. If the system is throttling in the winter. I need a lot of cooling headroom, and I f ultimately change to WC, I will just reuse the fans.

Phanteks T30 broken dreams, not enough clearance on the ALF II (since it already has a thicker radiator). Found something a little stronger anyway:

I do enjoy quiet working conditions. With the PC etc. next to the desk, the noise level at my chair is 42dB (this is classified as "quiet library" by the Sound Meter app), goes up to 48dB (quiet library/office flickering) right next to the PC with something like 12 case fans running at full speed (not including GPU fans). I imagine a typical gaming laptop with fans running at full speed and a cooler would be firmly in the high 50s. Noticeably more annoying conditions without the use of noise cancelling headphones, or similar.

I have always been a Noctua fan, however, noise is a consideration for me and the Phanteks T30 apparently move about the same amount of air as Noctua iPPC, while being quieter, in fact almost as quiet as Noctuas NF-A12 on the lower RPM end. Will give them a go, hope they last (which is something reviews, kind of understandably, rarely focus on).

Well, looks like the Arctic fans are not too difficult to beat - it's impressive that the AFII does so well with those on. Surprisingly though, Noctua lost the 120mm fan performance crown! Phanteks T30 is the new king. The price is not ideal, but looking at the test results, just 3 of these on the AIO should bring the temps down enough. The catch of course is that it's a 30mm fan, so need to figure out the radiator screws. M3 are provided in the box. Anyone knows if the radiator screws on the Arctic Freezer II 360 (Rev 2 I believe, 2022 model) are M3 or M4?

Yeah, I don't think a graphite pad is going to cut it. There is one more thing to do which is forgo silence and upgrade fans to 3000 rpm., at least on the AIO... Would prefer to keep the LM card up my sleeve until the last moment.

ET430K. I wouldn't go back to a multi monitor setup now (given the desk space available). This is the best of both worlds - 4 FHD screens in one or a single continuous 4K space if needed, as is often the case. Flat 43 inch is the largest I would use too. 50 inches would need to be curved to be comfortable at arm's length, and the res would need to exceed 4K, otherwise there is no point. The main downsides of that monitor are 60Hz (not much of an issue for productivity), a bit of a temporary burn in (doesn't bother me at all, but it's sometimes noticeable), and wonky HDR.

Makes perfect sense in your case, however, I would be replacing mainly Arctic P12s I believe, so really need something with a major kick. Will also go back and look at Bro @Papusan's earlier power fan posts. I was hoping I could get away with aircooling and silent fans, sadly at least one has to go.

Thanks bro, open to ideas, as I would be looking to replace between 8 and 11 fans myself.

Guys, I need to upgrade fans on my Arctic 360 AIO and possibly elsewhere. What's the best option in the high performance range? Noctua NF-12 iPPC 3000 rpm?

OK, MX-6 doesn't really cut for me. Even if it's reliable, despite being silicone based, the performance out of the gate is insufficient, the CPU throttles under heavy load with a 360 AIO and like 11 fans.. I couldn't resist and ordered the Alphacool Apex, as this seems to be an improved Phobya NGE, with focus on reliability...