7 hours ago, tps3443 said:

hey man, a KS is a KS!!! Direct die and roll on. 

I couldn’t get anything more out of even an SP117 13900KS. So, I’m really wondering what’s the point? KS is just good either way! 

Did you test this with custom cooling/AIO or just your chiller? If it was the chiller I can see this is about correct. But not with an AIO that will push the chips above +90C and stability problems. 

Going with an SP117 will clearly help if you are on a weaker cooling (if leakage is about the same for both chips). 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5245045_papusan_3dmark03_geforce_rtx_3070_342249_marks

https://hwbot.org/submission/5245047_papusan_3dmark05_geforce_rtx_3070_101462_marks?recalculate=true

Edit. The Double in 3DM Vantage for RTX3070 🙂

https://hwbot.org/submission/5245056_papusan_3dmark_vantage___performance_geforce_rtx_3070_142981_marks?recalculate=true

https://hwbot.org/submission/5245058_papusan_3dmark_vantage___extreme_geforce_rtx_3070_94356_marks?recalculate=true

35 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thanks. I posted in that thread and asked them to reopen my case and send me the new parts. I would love to be able to use it. It is beautiful but does not work as intended.

 

What makes this a bad reflection on them is that they never contacted me with the solution. I am having to find the information without their help (thanks to your help) and ask them to reopen my support case and fix the problem for me. They should have proactively contacted me to inform me that they have a solution to my issue instead of me having to pursue them.

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/ek-velocity-2-direct-die-problems.1804920/page-4#post-29169460

 

 

I was an early adopter and one of the first to receive the new defective product, had lots of communication with them about it starting more than a month ago. They ended with a "we're sorry" email and now I am having to come back and ask them to make things right again. Would have been much better for them to have contacted me with "we have a solution and we are making this right" email. I sent them numerous videos and information. I should have been one of the first they contacted proactively and nothing.
 

 

 

 

 

You're welcome my friend. Just sad you need to hunt down info when the manufacturer could offer a fix. Or it could be they wasn't avare that it was a major problem when you returned the block. They should have made a press release on theirown web page about this. As well posted a short video on their own YouTube channel. But I expect they will try avoid bad press and save some costs. Yep, todays tech and QC, sucks.

On 3/27/2023 at 8:28 PM, Mr. Fox said:

The EKWB Velocity2 direct die kit left a lot to be desired in terms of results. It was built like a Swiss watch, with impeccable precision and quality. But, the cooling results just were not there.

@Mr. Fox Here is the culprit for your bad experience with EK Direct Die kit. Their QC is shrinking - stinking for both for GPU and Cpu blocks. And I expect this is why some reviewers (paid shills) got OK results from the direct Die kit while others not so good (variable quality). But do they post or make a press release about it? Nope. This is bad from a big company. And it's bad that no big tech YouTube channel talk about it. Date of the post... April 3, 2023. I wonder how many that have bought the EK kit and accepted the thermal results and moved on. They will never know that they was screwed by EKs awful QC.

29 minutes ago, Ashtrix said:

If you watch Buildzoid video, it's not just the mobo, the LGA1700 socket is the main culprit. He mentions that DDR5 8000 is a mess on his side with multiple CPUs and multiple boards. The issue is about the Socket Pressure and LGA pin contacts. So maybe before getting rid of it, try to re-install the contact frame and the processor, then see how it works.

Asus boards SP rating is prone to fail if the socket mounting pressure is wrong. If the pressure is more correct the SP rating works as intended. Aka you get the memory speed to expect from the board. 

The uneven MB mem traces quality is awful on Z690 Asus Apex boards. This improved with the Z790 but also there you aren't given to get a golden "Easter" egg in their expensive HW lottery. 

19 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

Socket fail for sure, although looks like newer boards come with a better variant. No potentially destructive contact frame gimmick required. 

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

The question is, did Asus physically change anything between the 2021 and 2022 models? Asus won't come out and say they changed some things but you never know. 

The only Manufacturer I know thats honest about this is Gigabyte. They always list new revision numbers. And bet on it. This will always happens. The first batch HW is always flawed from Gigabyte, LOOL

I doubt Asus changed it physically, they just delivered better batches of bords later in the cycle.  The sad part... All firmware, features optimization done by engineers/in house overclockers is done on good boards.

Here is one more that is honest. Maybe on the higher side but 3 stars is more correct than the inflated 4.5/5 stars many of the reviewers out there have given this half-baked gaming Cpu from AMD. Yep, some can complain about what GPU this Cpu is paired with in the review but the 3 stars is still valid. But the fan boys in the comment section is damn angry, LOOL

$450 for a 8 cores Cpu is so "Intel" a few years ago when they hadn't competition. But charge this prices in 2023 where 8 cores is bare minimum is disgusting. 

1 hour ago, ryan said:

 

bah print screen is glitchy with this power book lol. like man im suprised it hasnt caught fire. 95c for an i3 yikes talk about great engineering almost a feat being this bad

 

@MyPC8MyBrain told me to buy this laptop for 4k/120 gaming and well at 4k and grid autosport ultra low im only getting 37fps avg whats going on do i have a defective laptop lol

There is reason the Engineers crippled the CPU and put in PROCHOT max temp 92C. Try see if you can change it to the native 100C with offset in TS Options. You may smell some electronic odur but you have already paid for the warranty when you bougth the laptop🙂 Nasty Asus. They crippled Intels specs to use cheaper cooling and power delivery. Yep, very nasty. Or better say....

3 hours ago, ryan said:

Im into mid class hardware typically with like maybe 2 exceptions in 10 years. but yes its performance is great for a i3 10th gen.

 

lol there is no scrnshot button on the keyboard does anyone have a work around>?

 

Geekbench6 - Multi Core

2709 points (0pts)

Rankings

first bench. this is looking good. typically this i3 scores 2200 Im getting 2895 in geek bench multi

Don't forget add in the links bro Ryan in your sig. Same as me but just add the links😎

Double in Hwbot Ungine Heaven with 3070😎

https://hwbot.org/submission/5244260_papusan_unigine_heaven___basic_geforce_rtx_3070_14108.6_dx9_marks?recalculate=true

https://hwbot.org/submission/5244267_papusan_unigine_heaven___xtreme_geforce_rtx_3070_11732.29_dx11_marks?recalculate=true

And after near 5 months. I finally opened the package with the new monitor (ASUS ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitor), LOOL

PS, this is a weird combination. i5-11600KF  paird with an 4090. This just has to be an real Cpu bottleneck even in 4K. Why not just buy the cheapest AMD board and 5800X3D? Or equal cheap 13600K and Z690? https://pc-builds.com/bottleneck-calculator/result/16J1ci/2g/cyberpunk-2077/3840x2160/

https://hwbot.org/submission/5243890_mcflipplenipps_3dmark___time_spy_extreme_geforce_rtx_4090_13779_marks

25 minutes ago, ryan said:

just bought this

https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/asus-vivobook-15-x515-156-laptop-intel-core-i3-1005g1-x515ja-wb31-cb-slate-grey/6000205465899?skuId=6000205465900&offerId=6000205465900

 

funny your ram costs more than my new laptop. hole e smokes this thing is awful and its sad because it was the best walmart laptop for 500. waiting on my 3060 omen

Congrats. And have fun 🙂 Please post results. Put those two links below in your sig so we and you can compare or see if it performs as intended Intel Core i3-1005G1 Laptop Processor (Ice Lake)

 https://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i3_1005g1/

Happy benching bro Ryan🙂

Edit. Forgot.... To you all🙂

2 hours ago, Etern4l said:

One more thing: there was a time when some strategic purchasing of AMD CPUs was kind of required to maintain the balance of power... well, this time around I would say the good folks at Intel need all the help they can get 🙂

Not so sure about that. Look at this mess. Reviewers tried to oc the 8 core gaming chips with BCLK clock. 90°C despite a 480 mm radiator and max allowed stock voltage. Imagine this kids toy with 300W load and unlocked voltage to male it possible. This X3D chips would boil to steam within a couple of seconds and you would smell a nasty electronic smell if not the chips have died directly when you dialed in the needed voltage. We talk about 120-150W power and even a 480mm ain't enough to cool it. This is not the tech I want.

18 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Played around with that, and people elsewhere seem to recommend, but I don't need it. Best results so far with just straight up voltage overrides, not really seeing temps above 80C unless in CB23. Not ideal for single core use though, which I don't care about.

The $290 13600K offer 6-10% more application performance. And the 7800X3D is locked. You can still get +5% more performance from the 13600K  with undervolt/oc'ing. Undervolt an 7800X3D won't gain you more clock speed. You are stuck with what you already have at +100$ USD more. For me... A very bad value. And not a fun chips play with (I don't talk about thinkering for gaming).

7 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Well, that's kind of what Intel chips do as well, rigtt? They will try to achieve max boost freq, unless ratios are dialed down. Is it not possible to reduce max turbo clocks on the Ryzen platform?

I'm not very well into Ryzen platform. But both Intel and AMD chips is meant to max out boost close to thermal limits. You can use Dell's way to cripple the chips. Use TCC Offset. You don't lose much with stock clocks and cap it at 90C. 

8 cores Ryzen chips with 360mm AIO and max fans.

37 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Unless daily driver is meant to primarily drive gaming, a CPU with more cores would be of benefit, says Steve: 

 

 

Looks like the oversized cache works well just in gaming, and seemingly little else, where the precious die space is much better spent on extra cores.

 

  

 

That's just how I feel about the latest laptop offerings lol

 

  

 

Right, but would I be able to significantly UV an AMD chip?

13600K for $300 USD and the cheapest platform you can find. All way. The X3D chips can't be bird and fish. Just one of them (an expensive gaming chips). In short... The 7800X3D should be priced between an 13600K and 13700K. Not a cent above.

You can undervolt the Ryzen chips but they will try reach max boost all time before you get significant power reduction. 

Edit... Then you have this.... The usual from AMD (buggy software/drivers and firmware. it just works, LOOL

Specifically with X3D I ran into another issue. After swapping from the 7950X3D to the 7800X3D I assumed that it would just work after installing the new chipset drivers. Nope.. while benchmarks like Cinebench showed the proper numbers, games were running slower than expected. Not "stutter" slow, still very fast, but "only" at levels comparable to the 7950X3D—the 7800X3D must be faster though. After some digging I found out that several CPU cores get parked during gaming, for no apparent reason. Uninstalling the AMD chipset drivers, reinstalling the newest ones, resetting power settings, copying the power plan from another PC all made no difference—I was missing around 10% in gaming performance. In their reviewer's guide AMD recommends to start with a fresh Windows installation when switching from the 7950X3D to the 7900X3D: ".. may encounter low scores when switching directly from the 7950X3D to the 7800X3D without reinstalling a fresh version of Windows OS. This is likely a result of the AMD PPM provisioning file driver still being applied to the 7800X3D processor, which was not its intended use. This performance issue is not a typical end user scenario and is only a result of switching CPUs without installing a fresh version of Windows OS." So I invested a few hours to reinstall Windows and set up my benchmarks, and oh surprise, performance numbers were in-line with expectations.

While I can understand that such things might happen, especially with a new release, it's completely unacceptable to ship a driver package that can't be fully uninstalled or that changes the OS in a permanent way, so that a fresh installation is required. I hope AMD can figure out what's going on and that they will provide updated drivers and proper guidance how to detect and fix the problem.

1 hour ago, cylix said:

Well they are testing stock vs stock. I  know you can undervolt the intels, but in my opinion thats not ok to have on a desktop where you have room for every cooling possible.

My son's i9 spend most of its time in low 50C in 1440P gaming. 

1 hour ago, Reciever said:

 

I game at 1080p144hz, been debating a 1440p144hz but havent pulled the trigger on anything.

1440P is in raise on Steam. Up near 9% since last survey. And it will continue grow. 

And if you go with 4K. You trade in 4-5 more FPS for worse or lacklustre content creation performance. Not so sure this is a great deal. And this with an 4090 that most gamers don't have. Most of them will get an 4060/4070 cards forwards.

+50% less performance for 4 FPS. Not so sure this deal would be so very appealing for bro @Mr. Fox <if> he still wanted a full AMD setup. 

2 hours ago, Etern4l said:

A 13900K after tuning is an unrecognisable beast scoring 40K+ in CB23 at 85C or so (OK, with a slightly spruced up AIO lol) 

You would need an proper AIO also if you went for an 7950/7950X3D. It would still run +90C in full load. But none of these chips run this sorts temps in games. 

2 hours ago, Etern4l said:

Intel will probably address the voltage issues by re-enabling the new voltage regulator in RPL (such that things run better out of the box, although the potential for gains from manual tuning will likely be reduced) and calling it a groundbreaking 2023 refresh 🙂

Yep. Intel can't do much in gaming vs the new v-cashe chips from AMD. The Raptor refresh for Z690/790 boards is meant to reduce market shares loss. Nothing more. But how many game in 1080P nowadays? And then you have... How many will benefits from the new Ryzen X3D chips with 3000 series mid tier cards or coming 4050 and 4070? 

How will this looks like if you pair the new 7800X3D with etc 4060/4070? 

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Btw. Going with AMD... Expect bugs.

See below.

2 hours ago, Etern4l said:

I do wonder though how many "average gamers" really game on desktop PCs as opposed to consoles, and frankly laptops. Just by the fact that someone built their own PC, they are no longer an average gamer in my book, even if they mostly use the PC for gaming. 

But what is the Ryzen 7 7800X3D actually? An explicit gaming CPU with a luxury premium for the 8 cores wrapped up by the huge stack cache "or maybe" even a smart all-rounder that can do gaming excellently, but not only (email/web browsing and social media)? When used outside of the gaming universe, partial dropouts did occur from time to time and the CPU repeatedly showed itself like a Janus head with two faces. 

The X3D chips is the Console equals but for those gamers that want desktops. Then you have the 3rd type gamers... The laptop jockey's. The  gaming on smartphones is when the gamers waqnt some free time from the desktops/laptops and consoles.

21 minutes ago, cylix said:

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Review with Gaming and Workstation – Ultra-fast gaming with half the fuel of a Core i9-13900K

 

https://www.igorslab.de/en/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-in-gaming-and-workstation-test-ultra-fast-gaming-in-a-different-energy-dimension/12/

6 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

If this turns out like the 5800X3D vs tuned/un-tuned 12900k, a fully tuned 13900k will still beat it outright but for PnP simplicity, the 7800X3D will be better for gaming overall.

 

 

Yep, as I said the new X3D gaming chips is the  computer worlds "console" replacement. And I don't only talk about the 7800X3D. All v-cashe chips is in short gamer chips.. The only difference between them is the price point.

Exacly the the way the average Joe/gamer Joe want it... Plug and play. Exactly as with a Console 🙂 Just more expensive.

4 hours ago, Rage Set said:

Hmmmmmm. Long story, short. Don't buy the 7950X3D nor 7900X3D (should be obvious). Also, don't buy the 7800X3D if you need to do other things besides gaming.

 

AMD really handicapped this CPU to ensure the 7950X3D/7900X3D were not too far behind and yet the 7800X3D made those CPUs and others obsolete. This is such a confusing launch of CPUs.

Hmmmmmm. Long story, short.... All you get is a gamer chips. Equal as a console. For one purpose only🙂

Btw. Going with AMD... Expect bugs. And expect they put all the works in the new and shiny. Exactly as bro Fox see with RDNA2. 

3 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

It is full path tracing....bro, the optimizations will come as new generations of cards. And I mean, generations of cards to enjoy full path tracing at 60fps.

Yep, nowadays cards is fast as hell, but Nvidia need features to u-sell new gen cards. Just look at Nvidia's new gen laptop cards. Not much of a raw performance increase, but latest gen DLSS save the day.

Nvidia’s next goal is fully enabled path-tracing and fake frame feature v4. When current gen cards is more than fast enough for years forwards, they need find other ways to push you over on next gen graphics cards. And the game developers will be paid well to help make games harder to run. What a monkey business. 
 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx-4090-16fps-cyberpunk-2077-overdrive
 

RTX 4090 Gets Just 16 FPS in Cyberpunk 2077 RT Overdrive Preview

44 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

OK, so I made a Macrium image of my crash dummy OS installation so I can test the new driver without having to clean up a mess after the fact.

 

Speaking of "dummy" check out this idiot troll trying hard to derail my thread at OC.net. Too funny that there are still losers like this nitwit on that once great forum. It's becoming overrun by emotards like this fart, LOL.

https://www.overclock.net/threads/rtx-3090-k-ngp-n-hydro-copper-block.1805258/post-29168372

 

Here is an example of the bug I am trying to avoid. Maybe the new driver will fix it. Otherwise, I will keep using the driver from October 2021 that doesn't have the issue.

 

 

Have you tested all drivers for RDNA2 before AMD released RDNA3 ? It seems AMD don't want fix problems for the older cards. All works is for 7000 series cards. I expect AMD only try make the games works properly with older cards with newer drivers. Bugs as you mention above is totally forgotten. 

This is the love AMD have given older cards the last months. Almost nothing! This is something you haven't seen from NVIDIA.

https://wccftech.com/amd-has-not-released-a-new-radeon-driver-for-rdna-2-radeon-rx-6000-gpus-in-2-months/

More from 3070 🙂

https://hwbot.org/submission/5243489_papusan_unigine_superposition___1080p_xtreme_geforce_rtx_3070_10554_points

https://hwbot.org/submission/5243496_papusan_unigine_superposition___8k_optimized_geforce_rtx_3070_5999_points

https://hwbot.org/submission/5243483_papusan_3dmark___port_royal_geforce_rtx_3070_9636_marks

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

The King has many GPU's though. Every other day you are benching a different card 🤪

Still no 3060😁 Most of them ain't very new. I'm a slow jumping on the newest cards, LOOL

But here's a new gold😎

https://hwbot.org/submission/5243465_papusan_3dmark___speed_way_geforce_rtx_3070_4005_marks

8 hours ago, ryan said:

your majesty, would A poor peasant request you test your gracious talents on a 3060

Sorry bro Ryan.  The King have no 3060. But here is a new gold from 3070😎

https://hwbot.org/submission/5243415_papusan_3dmark2001_se_geforce_rtx_3070_207158_marks?recalculate=true

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Since gaming is not very important to me, and I don't play the games mentioned in the release notes, I think I will pass. The December 2021 driver seems to have resolved my Micro$lop Office text rendering problems and it benches well, so newer drivers probably won't do anything special for me. Newer drivers for anything seldom makes me happy, so I will just stay where I am now and enjoy having things working as intended.

 

The notion that lowering 3DMark scores is going to be OK seems laughable to me. That's not a good option as far as I am concerned. Playing "Meet Your Maker" and "The Last of Us: Part 1" must be really important to some people.

I thought the new driver could work for you in  for 3DMark but not for the gamers who try figuring out why their shiny Red cards bench3ed as garbage. Remember what not works for other may offer more for those that seeek awesome🙂

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Among my favorite songs...

 

Her's a brand new driver you can play with. Bringing performance enhancements and addressing several issues😁 No crashes but 3DMark is a no go. Maybe try your luck.

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More Gold for @PremaMod Team😎

https://hwbot.org/submission/5242842_papusan_3dmark11___performance_geforce_rtx_3070_50566_marks?recalculate=true

https://hwbot.org/submission/5242846_papusan_3dmark11___entry_geforce_rtx_3070_65874_marks?recalculate=true

https://hwbot.org/submission/5242849_papusan_3dmark11___extreme_geforce_rtx_3070_22144_marks?recalculate=true

Edit. Got this one today. Reached Level 10 on Hwbot Overclockers League🙂 Now I'm The King, LOOL

Double😎

Finally got 40.000 in 3DM Fire Strike with 3070

https://hwbot.org/submission/5242802_papusan_3dmark___fire_strike_geforce_rtx_3070_40000_marks?recalculate=true

https://hwbot.org/submission/5242791_papusan_3dmark___fire_strike_extreme_geforce_rtx_3070_19979_marks

Edit...

https://hwbot.org/submission/5242823_papusan_3dmark___time_spy_geforce_rtx_3070_16897_marks?recalculate=true

Edit. Forgot enable all cores for 3DM Time Spy and Time Spy Extreme, LOOL