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That's true. You could resell it as parts.

Agreed, the SP82 was much better than the SP89. Basically if a chip can hit Intel's baseline criteria of 5.5 x 2 and 5.2 x 8 @ ~261w it can get a 12900ks stamp of approval. So what if it blows up into a 300w+ heat box at 5.3 all core or won't do 5.3 at all? If you're Joe Average user and want to plug and play and get 5.5 x 2 / 5.2 x 8 out of the box guaranteed the 12900ks is a sure hit. I'll be passing on it and with the debacle that is the 5800X3D, I'll be waiting to see what 13th and 6000 series bring to the table. Wow, I didn't know a full size ATX sff case existed, nice!

Ouch, but at least they have one in stock so you can get it back sooner versus later. As for Windows, as long as you had an active Windows account you can transfer the license from the old system to the new one with a Digital License.

Looks like the 12900KS boosts up to 5.5 x 2 and 5.2 x 8. e-cores boost up to 4.0 x 8 (!). PL1 and PL2 are 150w and 260w. So if your 12900k can do 5.5 x 2 and 5.2 x 8 / 4.0 x 8 and keep the total draw to ~260w congrats....you have a 12900ks. Funny, my SP91 hits those numbers exactly when set to 5.2 / 4.0 (261w) at a max of ~82c on the AC LF 420mm when just set to auto (no dialing in). The other 3 chips I tested: #1. Wouldn't boot at 5.2 (SP81) #2. Did 5.2 at 297w 94c (SP82) #3. Did 5.2 at 327w Thermal Throttled (SP89) https://videocardz.com/newz/unreleased-intel-core-i9-12900ks-outperforms-ryzen-9-5950x-in-leaked-single-and-multi-core-cinebench-tests

I've been chopping it up with my bud the last month or so thinking the same thing building out an "ultra portable" mini-itx or micro atx and either a lightweight, compact 17.3"+ display or use a USB powered 17.3" display meaning minimal hassle and only one power outlet required. Couple that with a cherry picked CPU like my 12900k I have now that has lots of headroom but knowing at stock it will pull ~163-170w even under CB23 level loads and build around that. Turn off the e cores and that plummets even more. We've even been thinking of a 3d printed chassis with custom specs but that would be more in line with an actual massive laptop form factor (Think a super thick mALX-19 or Predator 21 size body). Height is determined by the shortest, viable sff PSU. I would think 250w, depending on CPU quality, would afford decent headroom for overclocking except for major all core benching. Depending on AMD's 6000 series and considering cooling and headroom, that would be a possible sff portable build out too. I have an Asrock B660M micro ATX MB to play around with for mock ups at the moment and researching a lot of cases both micro and mini. OR Clevo pulls their head out of the sand and brings us another DTR. I'm fine with Intel or AMD 6000 series.

(Intel launches 11th gen) AMD: Hahahahaha! LOSERS! So desperate! Frankenchip! 🤣🤣🤣 (Intel launches 12th gen ) AMD: 😬😱 (AMD launches 5800X3D) /facepalm Hard pass for me....If I can't OC it I don't want it and the neutered clocks says it all. Plus having used the 5800x before it was hitting a hard wall at 4.7 all core for me and mine was golden @Rage Set 's 5800x was even more golden and hit a bit higher (4.8?) but I'd still like the chance to see where I could take it.

IGOR's lab binning trays of 12900's https://www.igorslab.de/en/looking-for-the-egg-laying-wool-milk-cpu-intel-12th-gen-alder-lake-imc-binning-with-ddr4-ddr5-and-sp-values/

I had the exact same issue (amongst others) with my X170KM. Using performance mode and pushing the 11900k it would sometimes just shut down out of nowhere. Even undervolting and temps being within spec (max 89ish) when running a full CB23 loop it would eventually shut down so it may not be a temp issue only even when I had it pulling at max ~185w.

Robeytech unboxing and installing the unreleased EVGA CLX 360 AIO while building out a Z690 K|NGP|N. Rad looks about the same but pump looks updated at least and new fans (No more screaming eagles?):

Looks like that SP92 is paying dividends. 5.2/4.1 topping out at ~79c and 245w Nice!

Agreed, the icing on the cake was the socket damage. 😞 So in its current state two of the four memory channels work and you still get artifacting externally but not on the internal panel?

Yeah, this is a fantastic deal wow I didn't realize everything that was included.

I'm officially abandoning 4x8GB on the Strix D4. Not only does it top out at 3600 somewhat reliably but I get worse R/W speeds and latency versus 2x8GB using the same timings. (58k vs 54k / 55 vs 54) no matter what I do. I also will get odd little delays and stutters and sometimes the system will hang and decide to use the XMP timings for no reason. I have none of these problems in a 2x8GB config @ 3600. If I drop down to 3200 they go away completely but what's the point of that? 4x configs pushed just aren't there and I'm finding even 3600 tight problematic. On the plus side, CPU only pulls ~165w running CB23 after 1201 update:

I've used numerous sets of cable combs from different vendors but they do come in various types from cheap and rigid to softer and better looking. You can even get different colors to spice up your RGB you love so much! 🙂

I've reached a point where I install all the lighting effects and crud software on another drive I run separately just to set my themes / hardware then boot off my main for normal use. There is no way Asus should take that long to install basic software. Like Bit, I run RGBFusion when able versus their suite BS Gigabyte is now trying to force down users throats. EVGA software is pretty clean but the fact I used to have to run 4 different EVGA apps to control my items (Case, AIO, M/K and GPU) is just ridiculous but I do like the fact they don't cram an all in one solution down your throat. Unlike most of the other GPUs I used, my former KPE 3090 retained its settings even when it lost power and was completely uninstalled which was great. MSI Center isn't innocent either when I ran my Tomahawk x570. Crucial Ballistix software was beyond trash and had to be run everytime at start up to set the lighting. Just bloatware garbage for something so simple as setting RGB effects.

Nice delid shootout of 12900k Stock lid vs Rockit Cool vs Custom DD piece I've never seen before but clearly works LM top and bottom TL;DR: Stock lid was almost equal to RockitCool but DD was the winner far and away easily...

If they purposely hinder any type of enthusiast overclocking it is a hard pass for me. I was going to pick one up and an inexpensive motherboard to play around with but this coupled with STILL existing USB issues makes this DOA IMHO.

Great read! The highlighted line above especially made me chuckle. 🙂

So true. For a fleeting moment there I had both the SM and the KM but having used the SM already for a few months the KM was so locked down and problematic I had to send it back. I figured I'd wait till they worked out some more of the kinks with the BIOS, memory slots and get Prema going but I think they've moved on for the most part which would be a shame if it is left as is. I agree; the icing on the cake would be a last Prema update with 11th gen enabled or a Dsanke level BIOS for the SM and KM.

Buildzoid delving into the SP ratings: Large sample of 12900k and 12600k chips tested (closer to launch). Average over SP = 85. Average P cores = 93. Smile or frown at your current silicon accordingly..... 🙂

De8auer dropped 1400€ for an SP97 binned for testing....yikes:

Many times pins are bent when you: Try to clean excess TIM and snag pins with the cloth/Q-tip Attempt to put the CPU in on an angle and push pins versus a flat mount Accidentally drop the chip when extracting it and it slips Inadvertently drop/hit the pins when the socket is open and vulnerable. ---------------- Did you take any pictures of the socket with the bent pins? Sorry to hear you both had bad encounters with pins. 😞 Hopefully everything turns out well enough in the end.

Sounds about right. Origin was the one known for having slight modifications in their Clevo systems that would cause foreign BIOS flashes to be problematic.

Yep, that type of phrasing will do it. Even that tenuous association between feedback left and getting a working board in that statement will get most negative feedback removed even if you were the clear victim in this transaction. 😢

Didn't want to pony up for the full on 1600w model for future fun? 😁 My last experience with an EVGA 1300 G+ was an open box from Amazon that was clearly used for much time and clearly dead. It went right back.