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I thought he exact same thing watching Jay's video yesterday. Why compare a stock FE 3090 to a FTW 3090ti? He even had a 3090 FTW in hand for size comparison. HWunboxed did a better job too: Testing games TUF vs TUF = ~6-11% faster depending on game:

Price being equal, I'd take a 6900xt over a 2080ti. The 6900xt still manages to beat the 3090ti in a few games and hangs tough overall. It really comes down to what you're going to do with it.

Devalues the 3090 AND in these falling market times makes reselling at best a break even event. Crikeys, KPE 3090 ti has dual 16-pin power connectors.....this thing means business...I like the caps on the back though....all high end for that $2500....

Even stressing both simultaneously in unrealistic synthetics I've never seen the GPU reach anywhere near those levels. Ambient deltas can be accounted for but hitting 95c in Timespy is a major read flag. I agree it is most likely a contact issue. Double check the thermal spread. You can also verify good contact by using a central dollop application versus manual spread to see how the natural pressure of the secured heatsink distributes the thermal compound. If the spread is sound, you could try a copper shim to see if it is still a pairing issue. I also agree to double check the gpu thermal pads to make sure one isn't compromising the pairing pressure.

I'm a firm believer in don't upgrade till you see a need. If your Omen is handling it close to your expectations save your coin and wait for newer models and/or for your laptop to suddenly stop performing to contemplate upgrades/changes. Only reason I upgraded from my P870TMw/ 1060 to an X170SM-G w/ 2080 Super was because WoW Shadowlands suddenly reduced my normally 60-80fps @ Ultra 10 to 20-30fps at level 7 in some areas. A need presented itself and I was left with upgrading the GPU or selling it (parted it out) and replacing the entire thing. Now I'm running around at 144fps just about everywhere. If you are unhappy with the gaming performance your only options are 3070(ti) / 3080(ti). Check out some reviews and see the performance delta between your results and what they are seeing to give you some idea of a baseline and go from there. Your laptop does have a TB4 port so you could contemplate an external GPU when home.

Whoa, those GPU temps are outrageously high. That is the most concerning to me. CPU pegging 91c in TimeSpy stress could use some work but I'd focus on the GPU first. Do you have an overclock running on the GPU or that is stock? I run the same GPU and temps are much lower. I have to do some testing on my X170SM-G to prep for some binning runs between three 10900k's anyhow so I'll rerun TimeSpy for comparison later. @clamibot can you do a full TimeSpy run with a HWinfo screen (all stock) for comparison for control too since we have similar rigs and all three of us are running 2080 Supers.

So the 3090ti is upon us (aka Last of the Money Grabs). Nvidia 3090ti Founders Edition is $2000 so that's the new baseline and all cards go up from there. EVGA queues are open for all their cards (except the lowest spec'd 3090ti FTW3 which is full and closed). EVGA's FTW3 bottom tier card is actually priced the same as the Founders. They continue to offer the best pricing overall versus all other makers along with a killer warranty service. KPE 3090ti queues are open. With the new 3.0 Queue system, you can only queue up for ONE 3090ti model (you are limited to one card per chipset). If you queue up and get a FTW3 you can't get a KPE 3090ti too. K|NGP|N 3090ti: https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=24G-P5-4998-KR I'm expecting the KP 3090ti to clock in at $2499.99. Asus Strix 3090ti LC is actually competitively priced this time $2199.99: https://www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-rog-strix-lc-rtx3090ti-o24g-gaming/p/N82E16814126554?Description=strix 3090ti&cm_re=strix_3090ti-_-14-126-554-_-Product&quicklink=true Overall multi game average difference: Pretty substantial difference between my Strix 3080 10GB and 3090TI. $1000+ worth of difference? Hmmmm.... As predicted, same 3090 vs same 3090ti you're seeing a 5-10% uplift. I expect the KPE 3090ti to offer the same gap at the least.

I use a BenQ 4k panel that is FreeSync compatible and Gsync is enabled but my panel is 60hz so even with it enabled/disabled it can't touch anywhere near the smoothness of my laptop 144hz Gsync panel enabled. For World of Warcraft I find using Gsync enabled works the best albeit I'll reap bigger dividends when I eventually switch to a higher refresh 4k panel or step down to 1440p. One thing I won't sacrifice is color accuracy so my options are limited.

Something is definitely wrong with your GPU cooling somewhere along the chain. I have a 2080 Super and it tops out around 68-73 and fans don't even go to max. That is playing WoW or even running synthetics. That would definitely send your fans into a tizzy. What CPU do you run and how are those temps? Open up HWinfo and see exactly how everything is running after some stress tests (TimeSpy and CB23 for starters). I think this is the official link to the X170SM-G drivers: https://download.schenker-tech.de/package/xmg-ultra-17-idxul17m20/

Newest Asus Z690 D4 BIOS update (1201 -> 1304). Read speeds increased by 7000+ and latency dropped by ~3ns compared to 1201 with the 2x8 G.skill Bdie. This is comparing stock XMP timings for consistency (Pure stock run). I picked up a 980 Pro 1TB to replace my SN850 500GB along with those 2x16GB bdie sticks from @Mr. Fox so that's next up this afternoon to go with a clean install.

If it is a relatively newish D15 (less than 6yrs old) if should have an Intel 115x bracket in there to work.

There's much less talk because our SMs aren't encountering as many issues as the KM which seems to have stalled in issue resolution from the OEMs. True, if you have a stock unit then Prema is not available. You could reach out to Prema and see if a donation of sorts would get a remote upgrade to it but that is your only recourse atm. As for drivers, I'd recommend XMG's set of drivers as they seem to be the most up to date. Those coupled with their BIOS/FW is the most current. Are you having any other issues with your unit besides driver updates? What config are you running?

If I had your system for fun, first thing I would is start swapping parts with my SM to verify each component. I would then take your 10700k and swap it into my desktop motherboard and get an idea of its quality and delid it and map out expected V/F curve and lock down rock solid UV. I'd end up swapping in the 3080 to my SM and then swap in the 2080 Super into the KM just to verify the motherboard is not an issue or culprit. I would also install XMG's newest BIOS and FW too. I have a couple of 10900k's I would be swapping in to test also to compare thermals and characteristics versus SM. I know you're wary, but I would also end up fixing the bent pin(s) too. I've been in your situation where you've just had enough of the problems and you want to wash your hands of the whole thing and just get something different or build out a desktop.

Giving up the battle eh? Make sure to describe any gaming problems or issues you've had too (black screens, etc...) because I can guarantee you if the buyer experiences any of that they will be returning it on your S&H dime. I know the unit has been somewhat problematic for you so being completely open and honest will prevent any open disputes and returns. Make sure to take better pics too especially of the crack. If it shows up in worse shape than pictured, that will get you a potential return also.

Glad it was able to get resolved relatively fast. I'm so paranoid about not having a competent rig I usually keep a backup or two (laptop(s), desktop(s) and parts galore) just in case. We have two gaming PCs in the house now for my wife and I and the one time hers went down due to GPU failure she was not a happy camper. 🙂

That 5 pipe GPU HS is going to make cooling the 860m a breeze even with a monster OC. Looking forward to the results (and seeing the Lone Ranger ride again 😀)

That ATX case looks rather nice! I'll have to add it to my list.

18L and pretty tall to boot (look at it next to some other cases). I'm trying to have it all with good performance but also somewhat portable. I don't want to feel like I'm lugging a desktop with me but I also want at least 280mm support in less than 13L. If you absolutely want 360mm-420mm support there isn't any way to overcome the volumetric realities of their size so even an itx or questionable "sff" case will have to be of some certain size to accommodate their size. If I had problems fitting an AC 420mm in my behemoth of a desktop case and only the front was viable, it makes sense even an mITX case is going to carry some size with it too.

Whoa..... that thing is pretty beefy but I like the glass and silver in the front. It makes your MB almost look like a mATX or m-ITX.

I tried thinking of every reason to take that nice combo off of @Mr. Fox 's hands as it was a great deal. I have so many little build projects, system upgrades and other tests backed up atm due to work and the new WoW patch that the list is growing. Still sealed in box EVGA 3060ti, Asrock mini and itx MB x 2, 3 drives, still sealed 12100f, B-die sticks sitting waiting for installation and testing in the wife's rig, 980 pro `tb on the way, a whole list of projects for the X170KM-G and more... Right now I'm trying to lock down the best bang:buck set of 4000 2x16GB sticks for my Strix D4 as I'm running 2x8GB b-die 4000 atm. @Reciever what is the state of mining atm for you?

As if on cue @Clamibot .... I'm really liking the Dan A4-H20 atm...

That looks like something I could definitely work with...Obsidian Black with a vented side panel would be nice.

I like that but for portability with all its goodies exposed? Hmmm... The sfftime 10L seems it wouldn't handle an AIO but the 14L might. I definitely don't want to do air cooling on a 12th. I'd want at least a 280mm. Here is a review of the P-ATX V2. It is a bit bigger height and width and 10L is a bit misleading since it is lean: With a dual slot and SFF PSU and ITX:

He is extremely annoying. He used to work for AppleInsider and wanted to sensationalize everything and push for clicks clicks clicks! They ended up parting ways over editorial differences it seems and he branched out on his own. He brings that over the top approach to his channel. I'm subbed and watch some of his videos and yeah he is bit "ZOMG! WOW! WHOAZERS! YIKES! ZOINKS!" but the content is solid. In some target apps, the Studio does shine but overall computational power? Still can't beat a 12900k and the GPU shockingly gets trounced by the 3090 no matter what Apple wants us to believe. In terms of performance per watt though it is pretty impressive.

I am looking at ~200w GPU power levels (3060ti) min and 12th gen. The P case looks more portable/protected. I like all that ventilation on it. The Lian Li has a bit too much tempered glass and volume for my idea of something luggable.