RTX 4000 mobile series officially released.

[ssj92]

22 minutes ago, MyPC8MyBrain said:

 

check your math, not even close to 39% slower!

at best gpu results shown are 25% slower then a 3080Ti @150w, while my previous gen cpu is 25% faster! note that the same 3080Ti @175w highest scores is 14832 which shrinks these perceived percentages further to only 15% overall performance gap with the newer higher cpu core count and a 4080 mobile (i tested and still on stock dell paste mind you and no fan control beside windows power plan, I can easily nudge the top score for my hardware spec way further, I just choose not too I'm good where i am atm),

you should ask yourself is it really all we get for our money from a newer gen cpu and newer gen gpu? only 15% together? also ask... why would anyone want save few bucks in few weeks buying previous gen hardware performing only 15% slower at dirt cheap prices?

 

Let's see....

 

18,427 / 13,256 = 1.390087507543754

 

therefore based on your 3080Ti result vs this persons stock 4080 Mobile result, the 4080 is 39% faster than your 3080Ti from the number above. 

 

Oh and that result is out of the box using stock dell paste as well. 

 

and yes their cpu score is way too low, they're working on seeing what the problem is. 

[MyPC8MyBrain]

13 minutes ago, ssj92 said:

Let's see....

your math is still wrong, you are isolating gpu score while that gpu is also run with a newer cpu so you cant base that sub score alone you should look at the whole bench score as one, comparing a newer component running with other newer components is not a performance indicative for that newer component on its own, 

[ssj92]

14 minutes ago, MyPC8MyBrain said:

your math is still wrong, you are isolating gpu score while that gpu is also run with a newer cpu so you cant base that sub score alone you should look at the whole bench score as one, comparing a newer component running with other newer components is not a performance indicative for that newer component on its own, 

Wow you really have no idea about benchmarking. 

 

Your CPU isn't doing much work at all during the gpu test. That's the point of the gpu test and cpu test being separate, to isolate a bottleneck. Unless you are comparing CPUs 10 generations from each other, the gpu score will hardly be different with CPUs within a few gens of each other. Especially with time spy (a 2560x1440 bench) vs fire strike. 

 

13th gen isn't a magical leap in performance. That 13th gen is performing less than your 12th gen, by your logic if he fixes his cpu score his gpu score will increase, making the gap even further, but it won't change his gpu score because he isn't being bottlenecked by a 10 year old cpu in the gpu test. 

 

My Titan V is 9.8% faster on my 10th gen i9 10980XE system in timespy over my 1st gen Xeon X5675s.

 

18-cores vs 12-cores and an insane amount of IPC increase and clock speed difference between these CPUs. 

 

Yet the GPU score is only 9.8% faster and some of this may be due to me doing 110% power vs 100% power in the run. 

 

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/30263826/spy/25577703

 

Anyways enjoy your 3080Ti but don't spread false info. If we are comparing gpus to gpus, you check gpu score vs gpu score. 

 

 

 

 

[MyPC8MyBrain]

  

12 hours ago, ssj92 said:

Wow you really have no idea about benchmarking

thanks you have a keen eye, you're right i don't have 30 years hands on professional experience 😊

  

12 hours ago, ssj92 said:

you check gpu score vs gpu score

you can do that only if the cpu and rest of the hardware is the same!

 

12 hours ago, ssj92 said:

don't spread false info.

you are the one spreading false info not me!

 

start with the system compared is not a Dell system,
Dell has not release any 40xx models to the public yet,

 

next it is just in one specific bench,
that doesn't make the gpu 38% or whatever precent you deem hyping enough to type true or even close to reality,

in many games the 4090 is showing 2 times the frames with DLSS3 does that makes it 200% better performance than the 3080Ti?

 

btw my current high score ranks 43rd place out of all 4080 laptops benched on 3DMARK 😄
(and some of these "laptop" scores are with full external 4080)

 

 

[ryan]

at any rate the 4090 is a beast and faster than a 3080ti. with frame generation the gap is huge. but will you get a better experience? probably not but getting 120fps in cyberpunk 2077 on a laptop is something else..

 

does anyone know if hp is coming out the gate with a 4090 laptop early?

 

I would like to add, someone said gpus in laptops are not close to desktop counterparts. well it depends on what gpu your talking about. my 3060 is nearly identical in performance to the desktop 3060 average sometimes faster sometimes slower but on average equal. you never know 4090 has early drivers and it will be interesting to see overclocking and new drivers performance.

[Shark00n]

11 hours ago, ssj92 said:

\\Random TS result I found of the m16 with 4080. 

39% faster than the 3080Ti laptop score someone posted of their laptop on page 3. 

 

4090 is an additional 25-30% faster. 

 

 

 

My Legion 7i scores 13k on TimeSpy so it's just 21% slower than those 4080+13th gen scores.

 

It's got a regular 3080, not Ti. 11th gen CPU. And it's going on 2 years. Cost me 2250€.

 

I dont know, your mileage may vary. And with the TDPs manufacturers fancy performance is going to be all over the place.

Color me not so impressed.

[1610ftw]

54 minutes ago, Shark00n said:

 

My Legion 7i scores 13k on TimeSpy so it's just 21% slower than those 4080+13th gen scores.

 

It's got a regular 3080, not Ti. 11th gen CPU. And it's going on 2 years. Cost me 2250€.

 

I dont know, your mileage may vary. And with the TDPs manufacturers fancy performance is going to be all over the place.

Color me not so impressed.

 

Not all laptops are that expensive this generation. The Asus Rog Strix 18 with the 4080, a 13980HX and an 18" display is only 2499:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-strix-18-intel-core-i9-13980hx-16gb-ddr5-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-v12g-graphics-1tb-ssd-eclipse-gray/6531333.p?skuId=6531333&intl=nosplash

 

Looks like a pretty good deal for most if two memory and storage slots are enough.

 

[ryan]

im in a awkward situation. @MyPC8MyBrain helped me tweak my laptop, with his vast knowledge but @ssj92is right about time spy scores. cpu doesn't play a role. in overall score it can be higher with a better cpu but soley the gpu score is 100 percent the work of the gpu. for example when i run my cpu with turbo disabled my gpu score is the same as when its at 4.1ghz....so yeah im going to say try not to argue this....its a uphill battle

 

 

these scores have the lesser cpus with higher scores

https://www.3dmark.com/search?_ga=2.212216593.406634745.1675950827-1517113211.1675950827#advanced?test=fs P&cpuId=&gpuId=1368&gpuCount=0&gpuType=ALL&deviceType=ALL&storageModel=ALL&memoryChannels=0&country=&scoreType=overallScore&hofMode=false&showInvalidResults=false&freeParams=&minGpuCoreClock=&maxGpuCoreClock=&minGpuMemClock=&maxGpuMemClock=&minCpuClock=&maxCpuClock=

[win32asmguy]

2 minutes ago, 1610ftw said:

 

Not all laptops are that expensive this generation. The Asus Rog Strix 18 with the 4080, a 13980HX and an 18" display is only 2499:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-strix-18-intel-core-i9-13980hx-16gb-ddr5-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-v12g-graphics-1tb-ssd-eclipse-gray/6531333.p?skuId=6531333&intl=nosplash

 

Looks like a pretty good deal for most if two memory and storage slots are enough.

 

 

This Alienware m18 config is not a bad deal either, for 13900HX, 4080 and QHD+ panel:

 

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/alienware-m18-gaming-laptop/spd/alienware-m18-r1-laptop/wnm18r1cto010

 

The $400 extra cost gets you better build quality, a mechanical keyboard, vapor chamber? and ability to choose an on site warranty.

[1610ftw]

8 hours ago, MyPC8MyBrain said:

  

thanks you have a keen eye, you're right i don't have 30 years hands on professional experience 😊

  

you can do that only if the cpu and rest of the hardware is the same!

 

you are the one spreading false info not me!

 

start with the system compared is not a Dell system,
Dell has not release any 40xx models to the public yet,

 

next it is just in one specific bench,
that doesn't make the gpu 38% or whatever precent you deem hyping enough to type true or even close to reality,

in many games the 4090 is showing 2 times the frames with DLSS3 does that makes it 200% better performance than the 3080Ti?

 

btw my current high score ranks 43rd place out of all 4080 laptops benched on 3DMARK 😄
(and some of these "laptop" scores are with full external 4080)

 

now without your permission... ill continue to do as i please thank you,

 

I like what you have achieved with your 7770 but you took a wrong turn somewhere.

Why would we not compare Time Spy scores between generations when this is what we have always done?

It really has a nice spearate GPU score which is there so that the CPU will not have much of an influence which is easy to see if for example you disable your turbo altogether.

 

In any case those 4080 scores look like they are from desktop cards that are somehow attached to laptops, here is the 4080 mobile leaderboard as of now, note the (notebook) to designate the mobile GPU:

 

 

Looks like at QHD that 4080 is working extremely well.

[ryan]

20k woah...now thats some serious future proofing. I can game at 4k with my 3060. id imagine the 4090/4080 will be good for the remainder of the new console generation/

[1610ftw]

2 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

 

This Alienware m18 config is not a bad deal either, for 13900HX, 4080 and QHD+ panel:

 

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/alienware-m18-gaming-laptop/spd/alienware-m18-r1-laptop/wnm18r1cto010

 

The $400 extra cost gets you better build quality, a mechanical keyboard, vapor chamber? and ability to choose an on site warranty.

 

Indeed, will have to check the options. The Asus has the advantage of the best laptop GPU and a significantly brighter and faster panel, I think it is something like 500 nits 240Hz vs 300 nits 165 Hz. Personally I am not a fan of the looks of the Asus and i also do not like how they have pared down the connectivity but people get a lot of raw performance and capability for their money.

 

Is it already known how much down the GPU ladder the m18 will still have a vapor chamber? That would be good to know for people who do not really need a 4080.

[1610ftw]

46 minutes ago, ryan said:

20k woah...now thats some serious future proofing. I can game at 4k with my 3060. id imagine the 4090/4080 will be good for the remainder of the new console generation/

 

For 4K gaming you better have a look at Time Spy Extreme where I expect the 4090 to have more of a lead.

Edit: Don't bother, not enough results right now.

 

here are the 4090 Time Spy scores for now, including a score from brother @Prema who currently has the top score with CPU and GPU combined:

 

Rank	Overall score	Graphics score	CPU score	CPU	GPU	CPU clock	GPU core clock	GPU mem clock	User	Date
1	21716	23589	14978	Intel Core i9-13980HX Processor	NVIDIA RTX 4090 (notebook)	5586	2640	2450	神近かおり	Februar 9 2023
2	21734	23352	15607	Intel Core i9-13980HX Processor	NVIDIA RTX 4090 (notebook)	5586	2595	2300	363813766	Februar 9 2023
3	21675	23207	15776	Intel Core i9-13980HX Processor	NVIDIA RTX 4090 (notebook)	5586	2520	2300	XSSER	Februar 9 2023
4	22013	23027	17620	Intel Core i9-13900HX Processor	NVIDIA RTX 4090 (notebook)	4988	2325	2250	Prema	Januar 30 2023
5	21238	22394	16433	Intel Core i9-13980HX Processor	NVIDIA RTX 4090 (notebook)	5586	2355	2250	brainhds	Februar 9 2023
6	19459	20972	13813	Intel Core i9-13980HX Processor	NVIDIA RTX 4090 (notebook)	5586	2340	2275	chungdenny	Februar 9 2023
7	18661	20764	11858	Intel Core i9-13950HX Processor	NVIDIA RTX 4090 (notebook)	5487	2385	2250	panda131506	Februar 9 2023
8	18379	19027	15406	Intel Core i9-13980HX Processor	NVIDIA RTX 4090 (notebook)	5586	2535	2250	nullghost2011	Februar 9 2023

 

 

[ryan]

 

 

 

 

in the second video you can clearly see the top aaa games getting double the performance

[Shark00n]

58 minutes ago, 1610ftw said:

 

Not all laptops are that expensive this generation. The Asus Rog Strix 18 with the 4080, a 13980HX and an 18" display is only 2499:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-strix-18-intel-core-i9-13980hx-16gb-ddr5-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-v12g-graphics-1tb-ssd-eclipse-gray/6531333.p?skuId=6531333&intl=nosplash

 

Looks like a pretty good deal for most if two memory and storage slots are enough.

 

 

Has it ever been in stock?

 

'Cause that laptop costs 3999€ in europe. 4699€ for the 4090 version.

[ryan]

you can legit buy a nice car for 4700 euros///this is ridiculus

[1610ftw]

2 minutes ago, Shark00n said:

 

Has it ever been in stock?

 

'Cause that laptop costs 3999€ in europe. 4699€ for the 4090 version.

 

I think it has been put up like yesterday so that is a bit of a strange question 🙂

Are you sure that you are not talking about the Strix Scar? The regular Strix is usually priced lower.

 

You also have to add VAT in Europe and some other costs seem to be added, too but it should be priced between 2999 and  3199 Euro.

[Shark00n]

1 hour ago, 1610ftw said:

 

I think it has been put up like yesterday so that is a bit of a strange question 🙂

Are you sure that you are not talking about the Strix Scar? The regular Strix is usually priced lower.

 

You also have to add VAT in Europe and some other costs seem to be added, too but it should be priced between 2999 and  3199 Euro.

 

Yeah it's the Strix Scar, but they have the exact same specs as the one you linked.

 

Seems to me quite a useless overlap from Asus's part. The Strix G18 and Strix Scar 18 with the 4080 share everything but the chassis and keyboard RGB.

 

Apparently fancy colors are worth a 1500€ premium, at least in europe 🤣

[MyPC8MyBrain]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

cpu doesn't play a role.

regardless of cpu being benched directly it is always active no matter what happens it is the heart of your system,
though directly the cpu is not being benched it does play a role from its core count bus lanes and speed etc.,
everything the gpu calculates has to arrive to through a pipe from the cpu at some point, to claim that cpu is not part of the bench is incorrect, it is always part of the bench just not heavily leaned on during a gpu bench but it is still very much active 100% of the time, if you watched one of the posts from last week about "cpu" being bound you'd understand that a statement like that is doesn't have a leg to stand on, and again ssj claims are that the 4080 is 38% faster overall from a 3080, it is maybe true for a specific bench improvement not the entirety of the gpu, side note for me DLSS is just trickery and has no merits being benched as a performance indicator,
 

[ryan]

so your saying a 12th gen i7 vs 13th gen i7 will affect the gpu score in timespy? if not and you mean in games then i agree but only in cpu bound titles

[ryan]

37 minutes ago, MyPC8MyBrain said:

regardless of cpu being benched directly it is always active no matter what happens it is the heart of your system,

I was talking about the benchmark! in time spy gpu anything 9th gen and up doesn't affect the score

 

I have to say your kinda die hard man. most peoplpe don't care about losing 10 points in a gpu score. you guys do so in essence your right, but on NBR for the longest time it's been a fact that cpu doesnt matter as much as gpu when both are relatively new. yes if your benching with a 10 yearold cpu it might make a diff but with apples to apples and gpu being higher performance Id say the time spy gpu score is a great gauge.

[MyPC8MyBrain]

2 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

you took a wrong turn somewhere.

from my view these are benches designed to test gaming feature performance not overall system performance,
my objection is when end user is taking a single statistic ignoring everything else,
the 4080 is not 40% faster overall from a 3080Ti it scored 30 some precent higher in a specific gaming bench,
that's an indication that in some games there will be fps gains not that the 4080 is across the board better at the same percentage one end user decided on, 

 

if i had to guess id say the 40xx series is somewhere from 15-20% faster then previous gen overall,

 

  

23 minutes ago, ryan said:

Id say the time spy gpu score is a great gauge.

i agree, and i wasn't arguing that its not or trying to make it sound like the 3080 is king,
just to put things in proportions, it matters to me because other people read these conversation later on and get the wrong idea unless its clarified,

 

[Shark00n]

Here's GizmoSlipTech's laptop list for 2023. Seems to have pretty much every 40 series laptop coming out as well as their specs and release status

 

All 2023 Gaming Laptops Ranked List - GizmoSlipTech by @GizmoSlipTech - Listium

[ryan]

3 minutes ago, MyPC8MyBrain said:

i wasn't arguing that its not or trying to make it sound like the 3080 is king,
just to put things in proportions,

yeah Man for you upgrading would be dumb but then a again you die hards never cease to amaze me. upgrade with everything. fly at her but the only real benefit is dlss 3.0

[MyPC8MyBrain]

7 minutes ago, ryan said:

for you upgrading would be dumb

yea i am not looking to upgrade anytime soon, i am very happy with the 3080 atm,
in the future if the 40xx shows significant gains or efficiency i do have the option to just swap the 3080 out for a 40xx as it is a standalone component in the chassis,