*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Stupid is the new normal. We used to have pity for people that were extremely stupid. Now there are national holidays to celebrate their stupidity. We need one for the tech ignoramuses. What makes no sense is there are no holidays to celebrate being normal,  or being better than average. I thought everyone was supposed to get a trophy for participation. Apparently not. Only if you're messed up.

Spot on. And there is no cure for it. Sad to see the decline in intelligence☹️

 

 

[Raiderman]

6 hours ago, ryan said:

10165

 

1st but an offline result, bummer

 

 

9th with desktops

 

i scored higher once but with artifacts a few times

 

alot of times people score higher but they are getting artifacts, so if your 30 or so you could technically be number one as far as high score and stable go. 

Looks as though you could not validate online either. So I'm assuming their server was/is down.

[ryan]

yeah it was down, its 1st but not by much. measley 65 points. I hate to say it but 3d mark isn't very good. like I think heaven or valley are better benchmarks, they scale well with overclocking and cpus that are faster tend to help the framerates. nice when cpu and gpu are thrown into account. also exciting news lol, cops are at my back door again, the citys worst move into this building always trouble for this nerd

 

me in 2 days

 

also we shouldn't be dumb with angry people(lol)/ being dumb isn't a choice but common sense is becoming more uncommon. 

[GIGABYTE Enjoyer]

Hello! My name is Justin, I wanted to get started over clocking and I just did my first CINEBENCH R23 test.

I have a AMD Ryzen 9 7900X

32 gigs of ddr5 memory running at 4800mhz

rtx 3070 Gigabyte

samsung ssd 970 Evo plus 2tb

[Mr. Fox]

On 6/7/2024 at 5:34 PM, Raiderman said:

I guess that's a saving grace when living in "hell on earth", you can get nice cold temps with the chiller, and no condensation 🤣

Today is 111°F (44°C) and 5% relative humidity with a dew point of 26°F (-3°C) so condensation is not even a concern with the chiller this time of year. It cannot keep the system cold enough for condensation to form when the dew point is below freezing point. @tps3443 would like that with his chiller running 24/7.

The forum is crazy slow right now. Borderline unusable at the moment.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The forum is crazy slow right now. Borderline unusable at the moment.

 

Now it's seems the forum is very fast🙂 @Reciever @Hiew🙂

 

18 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Stupid is the new normal.

 

sweepersc - GeForce GTX 1070 (Mobile) @ 1799/2477MHz - 188605 marks 3DMark03

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

sweepersc - GeForce GTX 1070 (Mobile) @ 1799/2477MHz - 188605 marks 3DMark03

One thing we can always count on when it comes to being stupid is that stupid people don't know what they don't know. Their words and actions provide irrefutable evidence of their morbid stupidity.

[Raiderman]

UL server was down yesterday. Pulled up my saved scores, and validated instantly. Haven't hit legendary yet, but will keep pushing.

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Now it's seems the forum is very fast🙂 @Reciever 

@Hiew🙂

Did you jinx it? Does not seem like it lasted long. 😶

[Mr. Fox]

13 hours ago, GIGABYTE Enjoyer said:

Hello! My name is Justin, I wanted to get started over clocking and I just did my first CINEBENCH R23 test.

I have a AMD Ryzen 9 7900X

32 gigs of ddr5 memory running at 4800mhz

rtx 3070 Gigabyte

samsung ssd 970 Evo plus 2tb

Welcome to the forum. We're glad you joined us. I swear your post was not there or not visible at the time I posted following your post. I'm not sure if it was because your new account wasn't approved and it was hidden or something else. I didn't want you to think you were being ignored.

[Papusan]

11 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Did you jinx it? Does not seem like it lasted long. 😶

 

Still quite fast here. Not sure what's up. 

 

On 12/5/2022 at 1:23 AM, Papusan said:

 @Mr. Fox Elite/fab benchers have binned Cpu's, MB, ram and graphics cards. On top they get own custom firmware where they also have the signing key to tune Sbios/vBios further. They even get special threatments for PSUs as well. As you can se, we all compete on same level and in same play yard, LOOL

 

So if you want to compete on same level, just forget it. You caan only do so much....

 

And now the elite will have their a bite of the cake as well. But you will never ever get real customized firmware as the choosen ones get.

Off means off: Splave Edition PSU has no residual power, discharges as soon as you flick the switch

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Still quite fast here. Not sure what's up. 

 

 

And now the elite will have their a bite of the cake as well. But you will never ever get real customized firmware as the choosen ones get.

Off means off: Splave Edition PSU has no residual power, discharges as soon as you flick the switch

That's why I no longer make the effort on HWBOT. It's pointless and rigged where current hardware is concerned.

 

Yeah, forum seems normal again. When I posted last night it was malfunctioning.

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Edit: OK, now it is running super slow again, LOL.

 

A technology company telling lies? No... really? Say it isn't so! (They are all liars. All of them.)

 

Will a new motherboard/chipset be needed to benefit from Ryzen 9000? If so, then probably no point in buying the new CPU if you're staying with the same motherboard.

Wonder if that is debris or bent pins?

[Talon]

43 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

That's why I no longer make the effort on HWBOT. It's pointless and rigged where current hardware is concerned.

 

Yeah, forum seems normal again. When I posted last night it was malfunctioning.

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Edit: OK, now it is running super slow again, LOL.

 

A technology company telling lies? No... really? Say it isn't so! (They are all liars. All of them.)

 

Will a new motherboard/chipset be needed to benefit from Ryzen 9000? If so, then probably no point in buying the new CPU if you're staying with the same motherboard.

Wonder if that is debris or bent pins?

 

 

AMD's claims of a Zen 3 part, lower clocked at that beating out a 13700K is an absolute joke. Unfortunately some were eating this up. If Intel had done this, they would have had every outlets ripping them apart, but this HWU gloves on video is a joke. "This is very bad by AMD, it's very misleading". You think? 

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amds-ryzen-9000-wont-beat-the-previous-gen-x3d-models-in-gaming-but-theyll-be-close-improved-3d-v-cache-coming-too

 

As I expected looking at AMD's charts at Computex, they won't even beat out the 7800X3D for gaming. The new motherboards won't be available at launch (not until September). Everything about this from AMD screams they are rushing it out to get some sales before Arrow Lake given the performance were seeing. 

[Raiderman]

9 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

 

AMD's claims of a Zen 3 part, lower clocked at that beating out a 13700K is an absolute joke. Unfortunately some were eating this up. If Intel had done this, they would have had every outlets ripping them apart, but this HWU gloves on video is a joke. "This is very bad by AMD, it's very misleading". You think? 

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amds-ryzen-9000-wont-beat-the-previous-gen-x3d-models-in-gaming-but-theyll-be-close-improved-3d-v-cache-coming-too

 

As I expected looking at AMD's charts at Computex, they won't even beat out the 7800X3D for gaming. The new motherboards won't be available at launch (not until September). Everything about this from AMD screams they are rushing it out to get some sales before Arrow Lake given the performance were seeing. 

That is because they are not the x3d sku they are comparing. My 7950x will not beat the 7800x3d in gaming either, but it will smoke it in multi threaded work loads. The X architecture cannot overcome the cache advantage of the X3D in gaming, even in the newer generation.

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

(They are all liars. All of them.)

There isn't an honest bone in any of their bodies. AMD, Intel, NVIDIA, ASUS, MSI, etc. are all liars that say what they think will make them more money.

[Talon]

2 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

That is because they are not the x3d sku they are comparing. My 7950x will not beat the 7800x3d in gaming either, but it will smoke it in multi threaded work loads. The X architecture cannot overcome the cache advantage of the X3D in gaming, even in the newer generation.

 

 

Right and I totally get that, but my point was, AMD does seem to be rushing these out. Intel 13th/14th gen CPUs already essentially match and sometimes lose/beat 7800X3D. Depends on the game, and config used by tester. An 8000+ DDR5 14th gen will do much better than a 6000MTs test used by some outlets. 

 

If AMD is admitting they won't beat the X3D 7000 parts, then they will just match the 14th gen Intel chips in gaming, yet they claimed 10% better? Something is not adding up here for them. Maybe they're sandbagging though. Both of them do seem to be very quiet this launch. 

 

But not having the new boards ready to go, no mention of pricing from AMD seems odd. If they're not going to beat out 14th gen Intel in gaming, at least by any reasonable margin, how will they compete against Arrow Lake? Unless ARL is a total flop or goes backwards, ARL should offer superior gaming and multithreaded use. So it will make selling these non-3d parts more difficult unless priced competitively, again they're being quiet about price though. 

 

AMD X3D should be good for gaming and offer a nice bump. This gen certainly seems like it's going to be a lot more competitive. 

[ryan]

I swear if that kid kicks in my door it will be this//

 

 

 

also this forum feels unusually fast now, everything loads without lag. any news on an eta for 5090 laptop or desktop?

 

lol this came on after tony scene

 

[Raiderman]

33 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Right and I totally get that, but my point was, AMD does seem to be rushing these out. Intel 13th/14th gen CPUs already essentially match and sometimes lose/beat 7800X3D. Depends on the game, and config used by tester. An 8000+ DDR5 14th gen will do much better than a 6000MTs test used by some outlets. 

 

If AMD is admitting they won't beat the X3D 7000 parts, then they will just match the 14th gen Intel chips in gaming, yet they claimed 10% better? Something is not adding up here for them. Maybe they're sandbagging though. Both of them do seem to be very quiet this launch. 

 

But not having the new boards ready to go, no mention of pricing from AMD seems odd. If they're not going to beat out 14th gen Intel in gaming, at least by any reasonable margin, how will they compete against Arrow Lake? Unless ARL is a total flop or goes backwards, ARL should offer superior gaming and multithreaded use. So it will make selling these non-3d parts more difficult unless priced competitively, again they're being quiet about price though. 

 

AMD X3D should be good for gaming and offer a nice bump. This gen certainly seems like it's going to be a lot more competitive. 

I agree, on the boards not being ready by launch, but what's going to be new? USB 4? Some already have that, and this gen's boards already have pcie 5 also.

I take all this pre-launch hype with a huge grain of salt nowadays. I do get caught up from time to time, though. To say I'm not excited about the 9950X would be a lie. My inner geek is ready for some more benching.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

That is because they are not the x3d sku they are comparing. My 7950x will not beat the 7800x3d in gaming either, but it will smoke it in multi threaded work loads. The X architecture cannot overcome the cache advantage of the X3D in gaming, even in the newer generation.

 

 

What if you disable one of the chiplets and use only the one with the 3D Cashe?

 

Edit. Forgot you had the the vanilla Ryzen🙂

 

52 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

I agree, on the boards not being ready by launch, but what's going to be new? USB 4? Some already have that, and this gen's boards already have pcie 5 also.

 

Slight improved signal quality for the mem traces (Same as with Intel with Z790 over Z690). And same will happen with every new upgrade.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

Right and I totally get that, but my point was, AMD does seem to be rushing these out. Intel 13th/14th gen CPUs already essentially match and sometimes lose/beat 7800X3D. Depends on the game, and config used by tester. An 8000+ DDR5 14th gen will do much better than a 6000MTs test used by some outlets. 

 

If AMD is admitting they won't beat the X3D 7000 parts, then they will just match the 14th gen Intel chips in gaming, yet they claimed 10% better? Something is not adding up here for them. Maybe they're sandbagging though. Both of them do seem to be very quiet this launch. 

 

But not having the new boards ready to go, no mention of pricing from AMD seems odd. If they're not going to beat out 14th gen Intel in gaming, at least by any reasonable margin, how will they compete against Arrow Lake? Unless ARL is a total flop or goes backwards, ARL should offer superior gaming and multithreaded use. So it will make selling these non-3d parts more difficult unless priced competitively, again they're being quiet about price though. 

 

AMD X3D should be good for gaming and offer a nice bump. This gen certainly seems like it's going to be a lot more competitive. 

 

Tuned 12th beat down 5800X3D.

7800X3D trumps stock 13th/14th gen

Tuned 13th/14th gen can go toe to toe with tuned 7800X3D depending on games

 

"Gear 4" on 7000 is basically a bandwidth e-peen contest at this point with no, real tangible gains on the level of Intel in the same boat.  After testing those sweet 8000 sticks I bought from @Raiderman for a month I sold them as they really didn't do much in regards to tangible performance uplift in real world usage for my case usage.

 

After testing both side by side for over a month (during and after I got my MSI X670E Carbon back from MSI for RMA), I was perfectly fine with either. Only thing was Intel sucked down a lot more power to achieve competitive results.

 

Seeing as 9000 series as is won't beat the 7800X3D (Unlike 7000 vs 5000 where the 7600x is basically on par with the 5800X3D), I'll wait for Arrow Lake and the X3D parts to drop and hold steady while @Raiderman and @jaybee83 snatch up 9950X3D's to give us some up close and personal results especially as @Raiderman plans to uograde to an X870e Taichi along with it so I'm looking forward to those results.

 

If down the road I end up getting a 9950X3D, I'm going to move my 7950X3D into my daughter's rig or upgrade the wife's 12900k rig.

🙂

 

 

16 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

What if you disable one of the chiplets and use only the one with the 3D Cashe?

 

Edit. Forgot you had the the vanilla Ryzen🙂

 

 

That's exactly what I do. I go into the BIOS and turn off the non X3D chiplet when testing for gaming and sometimes for gaming outright because even with PL and GB, WoW will still drift onto the non-X3D cores and in raids and PvP, that induces an immediate lag spike/stutter.

 

There is a part of WoW where you fly through a cavern and with both CCDs enabled, it stutters and lags at the very same spot. Enable only the X3D chiplet and there is no lag/stutter in that spot.

 

I would very much like to see a 9950X3D with 3D cache on both CCDs as the rumors are saying AMD is bringing many refinements and enhancements to the X3D process this time around versus the "slapping it on" with the 5000 and 7000 series.....

 

.....of course AMD also lead us to believe the 7900XTX was going to have double the count of CUs versus actually only having double the count of FP so we will see (I'm still salty about that lol)

 

 

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

A technology company telling lies? No... really? Say it isn't so! (They are all liars. All of them.)

 

Will a new motherboard/chipset be needed to benefit from Ryzen 9000? If so, then probably no point in buying

 

Intel fires back on AMD.

Intel corrects AMD's Turin vs. Emerald Rapids benchmarks

A benchmark correction just a few days after publication? That first happened with AMD vs. Nvidia, now comes part 2: AMD vs. Intel.

 

 

Intel Refutes AMD's Xeon AI Performance Compare Vs EPYC Turin

Application performance obviously uses hardware speed as a baseline, but software optimizations are ultimately where the real gains are gotten.

 

 

Software optimization over improved hardware means more and more. I'm sure older hardware could be improved with software if they really wanted do so. But that won't sell new hardware. 

 

 

Unreal Engine 5 isn't running any game at native 4K due to a major limitation

 

More specifically, Sutton said there is no Unreal Engine 5-powered game that can run native 4K with acceptable performance because developers are essentially forced to use these upscaling technologies to hit their desired framerates.

 

[electrosoft]

EVGA X670E Classified ES board....*sigh* what could have been before they basically abandoned their entire MB and GPU divisions.... 😞

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/evga-x670e-classified.1811115/

 

[Talon]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Tuned 12th beat down 5800X3D.

7800X3D trumps stock 13th/14th gen

Tuned 13th/14th gen can go toe to toe with tuned 7800X3D depending on games

 

"Gear 4" on 7000 is basically a bandwidth e-peen contest at this point with no, real tangible gains on the level of Intel in the same boat.  After testing those sweet 8000 sticks I bought from @Raiderman for a month I sold them as they really didn't do much in regards to tangible performance uplift in real world usage for my case usage.

 

After testing both side by side for over a month (during and after I got my MSI X670E Carbon back from MSI for RMA), I was perfectly fine with either. Only thing was Intel sucked down a lot more power to achieve competitive results.

 

Seeing as 9000 series as is won't beat the 7800X3D (Unlike 7000 vs 5000 where the 7600x is basically on par with the 5800X3D), I'll wait for Arrow Lake and the X3D parts to drop and hold steady while @Raiderman and @jaybee83 snatch up 9950X3D's to give us some up close and personal results especially as @Raiderman plans to uograde to an X870e Taichi along with it so I'm looking forward to those results.

 

If down the road I end up getting a 9950X3D, I'm going to move my 7950X3D into my daughter's rig or upgrade the wife's 12900k rig.

🙂

 

 

 

 

That's exactly what I do. I go into the BIOS and turn off the non X3D chiplet when testing for gaming and sometimes for gaming outright because even with PL and GB, WoW will still drift onto the non-X3D cores and in raids and PvP, that induces an immediate lag spike/stutter.

 

There is a part of WoW where you fly through a cavern and with both CCDs enabled, it stutters and lags at the very same spot. Enable only the X3D chiplet and there is no lag/stutter in that spot.

 

I would very much like to see a 9950X3D with 3D cache on both CCDs as the rumors are saying AMD is bringing many refinements and enhancements to the X3D process this time around versus the "slapping it on" with the 5000 and 7000 series.....

 

.....of course AMD also lead us to believe the 7900XTX was going to have double the count of CUs versus actually only having double the count of FP so we will see (I'm still salty about that lol)

 

 

 

I actually have every intention of getting an X870E board and X3D when it drops. I want to compare myself. Looks like I'll be waiting a bit for those, the non X3D parts just do no interest me given they seem to be nothing really new in terms of gaming performance. And I definitely won't be buying an X670E for the price of the new shiny they're holding back. 

[Raiderman]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

I actually have every intention of getting an X870E board and X3D when it drops. I want to compare myself. Looks like I'll be waiting a bit for those, the non X3D parts just do no interest me given they seem to be nothing really new in terms of gaming performance. And I definitely won't be buying an X670E for the price of the new shiny they're holding back. 

I'm just the opposite, as the gaming side doesn't interest me as much as the multi threading of the X series. I prefer benching cpu intensive tasks more than 3dmark feces. I don't game as much as I used to, so it doesn't interest me as much.

[Papusan]

15 hours ago, Talon said:

 

I actually have every intention of getting an X870E board and X3D when it drops. I want to compare myself. Looks like I'll be waiting a bit for those, the non X3D parts just do no interest me given they seem to be nothing really new in terms of gaming performance. And I definitely won't be buying an X670E for the price of the new shiny they're holding back. 

 

You're going the wrong route bro @Talon😁

 

The new gen hardcore gamers (those that learned computing and gaming via smartphones) has voted with their wallets. 

B650 Chipset and Micro-ATX Form-factor Dominate Socket AM5 Motherboard Sales: Research

A market research of AMD Socket AM5 motherboards sold in South Korea by Danawa, provide some interesting insights on how gamers approach the platform. This research is confined to Korea, but can be extrapolated to other similar markets. The research studies the chipset model, and form-factor of Socket AM5 motherboards sold in the market. The most interesting finding of the research is that the AMD B650 is by far the most popular chipset for the platform, dwarfing even the entry-level A620 chipset by a factor of 8. A staggering 80% of the Socket AM5 motherboards being sold are based on the B650.

It's important to note here, that this figure does not include the B650E, which is separately shown making up just 2% of the volumes. The B650 (non-E) has nearly all platform features, with motherboards based on the chipset providing at least one Gen 5 M.2 NVMe slot that doesn't eat into the lanes of the x16 PEG slot; and with the current generation of GPUs not featuring the PCIe Gen 5 host interface, customers seem more than happy with the Gen 4 x16 PEG slot provided by B650 motherboards. What's more, you get CPU overclocking and memory overclocking on this mid-range chipset, so it appeals to a very wide demographic. The B650E, on the other hand, provides a Gen 5 x16 PEG slot, and motherboards based on this chipset tend to offer premium I/O features, such as a high-end onboard audio solution, premium wireless networking, among others.

 

Yep, we live in modern times with modern tech.