*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

@Papusan how do you like the icky new smartphone crap look of HWBOT? I submitted this and almost threw up in my mouth a little bit. Part of me wants to send a PM to Roman (der8aer) at oc.net and ask him why he allowed that. Everything is so big and bloated and ugly now. Things on the web page take up about 200% more browser space that necessary. Super idiotic.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5685453_

 

 

I have posted in the Hwbot new GUI feedback thread. The new GUI is all too modern for my taste. I tried to help so they can make some changes for what being final GUI. Because Hwbot won't go back to the old and better design. It will be too late later if no one/few come up with suggestions for better changes in the near future. 

 

Btw. Intel could do an Nvidia. New chips then forget support the old one. This is a trend we will see more of. Last time Intel did something similar for the 12th gen chips. It may or may not work properly with previous gen. Because they want to offer something new for the new. That's sad.

[Mr. Fox]

13 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

I have posted in the Hwbot new GUI feedback thread. The new GUI is all too modern for my taste. I tried to help so they can make some changes for what being final GUI. Because Hwbot won't go back to the old and better design. It will be too late later if no one/few come up with suggestions for better changes in the near future. 

 

Btw. Intel could do an Nvidia. New chips then forget support the old one. This is a trend we will see more of. Last time Intel did something similar for the 12th gen chips. It may or may not work properly with previous gen. Because they want to offer something new for the new. That's sad.

I was pretty blunt in my response about how ugly it looks.

https://community.hwbot.org/topic/239385-hwbot-new-gui-feedback-thread/?do=findComment&comment=680164

[Talon]

Alrighty guys. I got the AM5 rig built and running yesterday. 
 

9800X3D — SP113

Asus X870E Hero

6000 2x32gb GSkills C30 running at 6200. 
win11 24h2 26100.2161

 

Can’t figure out why my latency is so bad. It’s using the tuned timings and I’m at 75ns. That seems really high for tighter timings. What could I be missing? I thought AMD didn’t need tuning to get low latency? It was 80ns before tuning timings. 
 

Need some help since I’m not AMD proficient yet. @electrosoft

[Mr. Fox]

3 minutes ago, Talon said:

Alrighty guys. I got the AM5 rig built and running yesterday. 
 

9800X3D — SP113

Asus X870E Hero

6000 2x32gb GSkills C30 running at 6200. 
win11 24h2 26100.2161

 

Can’t figure out why my latency is so bad. It’s using the tuned timings and I’m at 75ns. That seems really high for tighter timings. What could I be missing? I thought AMD didn’t need tuning to get low latency? It was 80ns before tuning timings. 
 

Need some help since I’m not AMD proficient yet. @electrosoft

Maybe Brother @chew can give us some pointers. My latency is lower than that but still very high. This seems a whole lot more convoluted that what I am used to. I think all the sliders and knobs have to be just right or it behaves badly, LOL. I getting closer to finding out where the sliders and knobs belong. Little by little.

 

I think I am going to test my TeamGroup Xtreme 8200 48GB kit on this. No idea why the motherboard will not even try to boot with the G.SKILL 8000 48GB kit. It doesn't even try to boot. Just stops abruptly after about 1 second with Q-code 15 and CPU and RAM LEDs on.

[electrosoft]

49 minutes ago, Talon said:

Alrighty guys. I got the AM5 rig built and running yesterday. 
 

9800X3D — SP113

Asus X870E Hero

6000 2x32gb GSkills C30 running at 6200. 
win11 24h2 26100.2161

 

Can’t figure out why my latency is so bad. It’s using the tuned timings and I’m at 75ns. That seems really high for tighter timings. What could I be missing? I thought AMD didn’t need tuning to get low latency? It was 80ns before tuning timings. 
 

Need some help since I’m not AMD proficient yet. @electrosoft

 

AMD has higher latency overall than Intel on average but do you have a Zen Timings and Aida screen shot? I ran 2x32GB but at 6000 CL28 and tightened up and was in the low 60's IIRC.

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

Alrighty guys. I got the AM5 rig built and running yesterday. 
 

9800X3D — SP113

Asus X870E Hero

6000 2x32gb GSkills C30 running at 6200. 
win11 24h2 26100.2161

 

Can’t figure out why my latency is so bad. It’s using the tuned timings and I’m at 75ns. That seems really high for tighter timings. What could I be missing? I thought AMD didn’t need tuning to get low latency? It was 80ns before tuning timings. 
 

Need some help since I’m not AMD proficient yet. @electrosoft

 

11 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

AMD has higher latency overall than Intel on average but do you have a Zen Timings and Aida screen shot? I ran 2x32GB but at 6000 CL28 and tightened up and was in the low 60's IIRC.

 

 

 

 

Maybe this will help. Still not great considering what we are used to, but a MASSIVE improvement over where I started last night. That was pretty scary how bad it was. I've seen people that are ignorant about memory tuning with latency this bad on Intel. I'm pretty sure I can do better than this. Just now getting started in the process. Nothing works the same as Intel. Shake the Etch-A-Sketch and start over. Besides the latency, 8000 is comparatively very slow read/write/copy speeds on Ryzen.

 

[jaybee83]

27 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

Maybe this will help. Still not great considering what we are used to, but a MASSIVE improvement over where I started last night. That was pretty scary how bad it was. I've seen people that are ignorant about memory tuning with latency this bad on Intel. I'm pretty sure I can do better than this. Just now getting started in the process. Nothing works the same as Intel. Shake the Etch-A-Sketch and start over. Besides the latency, 8000 is comparatively very slow read/write/copy speeds on Ryzen.

 

 

thats pretty good for just 2 days of tuning bro Fox! once u manage to get all timings tuned u should end up around mid/high 50s for latency, roughly 100GB/s+ on Read/Write and 90+ on Copy.

 

as for DDR5-8000, thats highly motherboard dependent it seems. 7600 should be doable on all boards, 8000 on about half, and only the RAM champs can do 8200-8600.

[Mr. Fox]

7 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

thats pretty good for just 2 days of tuning bro Fox! once u manage to get all timings tuned u should end up around mid/high 50s for latency, roughly 100GB/s+ on Read/Write and 90+ on Copy.

 

as for DDR5-8000, thats highly motherboard dependent it seems. 7600 should be doable on all boards, 8000 on about half, and only the RAM champs can do 8200-8600.

Thank you. I've having to relearn everything that is for sure. I think I am getting way better results using fixed all core and manual voltage than PBO, which is actually exactly the same for me on Intel. eTVB and opportunistic core boost truly sucks.

 

Here's my best so far... This is with the EK CR360 AIO. I am going to have to get the Heatkiller block on it until I buy a der8auer delid tool and Mycro bare die block.

 

 

Brother @cylix it is the G.SKILL 8000 sticks that my Ryzen setup does not like. I put in the TeamGroup Xtreme 48GB kit and it boots and runs 8200 like a champ. Interesting. There must be something in the G.SKILL 8000 SPD default settings that causes it to fail to POST on Ryzen.

 

 

What makes it ever more odd is the G.SKILL sticks run identical to the TeamGroup Xtreme in the Apex Encore. No differences in performance, settings or voltage. I just put the G.SKILL memory on the Apex Encore and *BOOM* there it is! The G.SKILL 8000 kits (both of them) have always worked fantastic. I only bought the TGX because it has no RGB and they're covered up with waterblocks so RGB may as well not exist.

 

 

[Talon]

45 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

Maybe this will help. Still not great considering what we are used to, but a MASSIVE improvement over where I started last night. That was pretty scary how bad it was. I've seen people that are ignorant about memory tuning with latency this bad on Intel. I'm pretty sure I can do better than this. Just now getting started in the process. Nothing works the same as Intel. Shake the Etch-A-Sketch and start over. Besides the latency, 8000 is comparatively very slow read/write/copy speeds on Ryzen.

 

 

Thanks brother will try that tonight. 

 

https://benchmark.unigine.com/leaderboards/superposition/1.x/720p-low/single-gpu/page-1

 

A largely forgotten benchmark but 720p low shows the CPU strength. Even with my terrible latency, I'm in 5th place with a 4070 Super FE lol. Hanging out with the 4090s on the leaderboard. Eye that first place price, I will get there once I swap in my 4090 and fix the latency. 

[jaybee83]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thank you. I've having to relearn everything that is for sure. I think I am getting way better results using fixed all core and manual voltage than PBO, which is actually exactly the same for me on Intel. eTVB and opportunistic core boost truly sucks.

 

Here's my best so far... This is with the EK CR360 AIO. I am going to have to get the Heatkiller block on it until I buy a der8auer delid tool and Mycro bare die block.

 

 

Brother @cylix it is the G.SKILL 8000 sticks that my Ryzen setup does not like. I put in the TeamGroup Xtreme 48GB kit and it boots and runs 8200 like a champ. Interesting. There must be something in the G.SKILL 8000 SPD default settings that causes it to fail to POST on Ryzen.

 

 

What makes it ever more odd is the G.SKILL sticks run identical to the TeamGroup Xtreme in the Apex Encore. No differences in performance, settings or voltage. I just put the G.SKILL memory on the Apex Encore and *BOOM* there it is! The G.SKILL 8000 kits (both of them) have always worked fantastic. I only bought the TGX because it has no RGB and they're covered up with waterblocks so RGB may as well not exist.

 

 

 

noice, good to see theres still some wiggle room in going with different sticks 🙂 fixed voltage FTW for multicore benches, but once u want the max single thread performance theres no way around PBO shenanigans unfortunately.

[Mr. Fox]

21 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

noice, good to see theres still some wiggle room in going with different sticks 🙂 fixed voltage FTW for multicore benches, but once u want the max single thread performance theres no way around PBO shenanigans unfortunately.

I guess that is lucky for me that I don't really care much about single core performance. That is the main reason I gave 9950X a try.  Otherwise the 285K would have been the better choice. It is a downgrade from everything else I own with not enough multi-thread mojo on top of being new with bugs that need to be ironed out first. 

 

I think I may have run single core Cinebench less than 10 times in my whole life, LoL. 

[Raiderman]

58 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thank you. I've having to relearn everything that is for sure. I think I am getting way better results using fixed all core and manual voltage than PBO, which is actually exactly the same for me on Intel. eTVB and opportunistic core boost truly sucks.

 

Here's my best so far... This is with the EK CR360 AIO. I am going to have to get the Heatkiller block on it until I buy a der8auer delid tool and Mycro bare die block.

 

 

Brother @cylix it is the G.SKILL 8000 sticks that my Ryzen setup does not like. I put in the TeamGroup Xtreme 48GB kit and it boots and runs 8200 like a champ. Interesting. There must be something in the G.SKILL 8000 SPD default settings that causes it to fail to POST on Ryzen.

 

 

What makes it ever more odd is the G.SKILL sticks run identical to the TeamGroup Xtreme in the Apex Encore. No differences in performance, settings or voltage. I just put the G.SKILL memory on the Apex Encore and *BOOM* there it is! The G.SKILL 8000 kits (both of them) have always worked fantastic. I only bought the TGX because it has no RGB and they're covered up with waterblocks so RGB may as well not exist.

 

 

Already better then what I've been able to do with my limited time.

[Mr. Fox]

21 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Already better then what I've been able to do with my limited time.

Once things slow down and you have time to play with it I am sure you will give me a run for the money. 

 

I am having some funky epiphany/aha moments now thinking about all of the whining and crying gamerboys did about 13th and 14th Gen Intel CPUs running too hot and drawing too much power and this red beast isn't much better than the blue beast in that respect. Maybe a little bit, but hard to say  since it's not overclocked as far yet and isn't getting as many volts dumped on it yet. It will be interesting to see how hot it gets and how much power it gulps if I can get it to 5.8-6.0GHz all core. I am betting that it will be just as hot and power-hungry.

 

I guess the kiddies just need something to whine about, LOL. Of course, I guess people that overclock like us old-school diehards are rare now. All of the kiddos are trying to overclock by undervolting because that's what their friends on Facepoot and the YouBoob influencers tell them they should do.

[Talon]

So my high latency is from the MCLK not being 1:1 with UCLK. It was running 1:2. Unfortunately this AM5 setup can’t run 1:1 with dual ranked it seems. That kinda sucks but not entirely unexpected as even Intel does 1:2. But the latency is about 20ns higher on AM5 compared to Intel. 
 

They do work at 6400 C32 1:2. I’ll see if I can drop that to C30 and then move on to single rank. 
 

I’m going to try out some 2x16gb A-Die sticks and see how high I can get them 1:1. Then some M-Dies. 

[Talon]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Once things slow down and you have time to play with it I am sure you will give me a run for the money. 

 

I am having some funky epiphany/aha moments now thinking about all of the whining and crying gamerboys did about 13th and 14th Gen Intel CPUs running too hot and drawing too much power and this red beast isn't much better than the blue beast in that respect. Maybe a little bit, but hard to say  since it's not overclocked as far yet and isn't getting as many volts dumped on it yet. It will be interesting to see how hot it gets and how much power it gulps if I can get it to 5.8-6.0GHz all core. I am betting that it will be just as hot and power-hungry.

 

I guess the kiddies just need something to whine about, LOL. Of course, I guess people that overclock like us old-school diehards are rare now. All of the kiddos are trying to overclock by undervolting because that's what their friends on Facepoot and the YouBoob influencers tell them they should do.

 

Have to fully agree on power draw. Been testing this 9800X3D with PBO +200 and -15 C0 and in BF2042 and 1080p low for max fps, it's pulling 135-140w package with temps hitting 75-85c. That is a heater compared to my 24 core 285K chip that pulls the same power, nearly exact same power, and runs around 50-60c. The memes about Intel temps in this care are completely fabricated as I expected. Power does not equal core temps, it equals room temps. But unfortunately these tech dummies push this narrative that your chip is melting and will fry itself. The only chip near melting is my new 9800X3D lol. I'll have to see what I can do to improve the temps.

 

On a side note, apparently there is now confirmation were getting Zen 6 on AM5 in late 2026 or early 2027. So that is awesome. I'm wondering if we won't get a Zen 5 refresh before that, that would be wild. Maybe improve the IMC. 

 

So far, I am glad I built the AM5 rig, I like the ability to test both brands and the chip is an absolute monster for punching out FPS in many games. Now I'm wondering do I swap it into my main rig? The idea of 8 cores as a daily driver makes me want repulsed lol. 2018 called, they want their 9900K back. 

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Talon said:

On a side note, apparently there is now confirmation were getting Zen 6 on AM5 in late 2026 or early 2027. So that is awesome. I'm wondering if we won't get a Zen 5 refresh before that, that would be wild. Maybe improve the IMC.

 

Expect Ryzen AI Ultra as mid upgrade😁 New confusing names will truly sell😎

 

From 9:09

 

And here is an youtube video for Pat Gelsinger. 

 

[electrosoft]

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

Maybe this will help. Still not great considering what we are used to, but a MASSIVE improvement over where I started last night. That was pretty scary how bad it was. I've seen people that are ignorant about memory tuning with latency this bad on Intel. I'm pretty sure I can do better than this. Just now getting started in the process. Nothing works the same as Intel. Shake the Etch-A-Sketch and start over. Besides the latency, 8000 is comparatively very slow read/write/copy speeds on Ryzen.

 

 

It's scary when you opt to run both platforms and realize the FUD on 13th/14th gen along with AMD. That's why I love that initial OOB experience of furnaces and/or piss poor performance then slowly tune and dial it in, set multiple profiles and everything is running smooth as silk with much better performance and good pull/temps.

 

3 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Have to fully agree on power draw. Been testing this 9800X3D with PBO +200 and -15 C0 and in BF2042 and 1080p low for max fps, it's pulling 135-140w package with temps hitting 75-85c. That is a heater compared to my 24 core 285K chip that pulls the same power, nearly exact same power, and runs around 50-60c. The memes about Intel temps in this care are completely fabricated as I expected. Power does not equal core temps, it equals room temps. But unfortunately these tech dummies push this narrative that your chip is melting and will fry itself. The only chip near melting is my new 9800X3D lol. I'll have to see what I can do to improve the temps.

 

On a side note, apparently there is now confirmation were getting Zen 6 on AM5 in late 2026 or early 2027. So that is awesome. I'm wondering if we won't get a Zen 5 refresh before that, that would be wild. Maybe improve the IMC. 

 

So far, I am glad I built the AM5 rig, I like the ability to test both brands and the chip is an absolute monster for punching out FPS in many games. Now I'm wondering do I swap it into my main rig? The idea of 8 cores as a daily driver makes me want repulsed lol. 2018 called, they want their 9900K back. 

 

I saw where AMD is guaranteeing Zen 6 while Intel has been quiet on 1851.

 

So compared to your tuned 14900ks, how do you feel about the 9800X3D vs it head to head for gaming so far? I'm (trying) to resist the pull till 9950X3D and snag one of those and a Taichi X870e.

 

I do know tuned, the 14900KS 5.9 all core w/ APO + 8400 2x24GB definitely was the winner overall vs my tuned 7950X3D + 6000 2x32GB tuned for WoW. With how the 7950X3D/7800X3D was a monster with Fallout 76 even vs the 14900KS rig, I am sure the 9000X3D would be a ripper.

 

 

[Meaker]

11 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Expect Ryzen AI Ultra as mid upgrade😁 New confusing names will truly sell😎

 

From 9:09

 

And here is an youtube video for Pat Gelsinger. 

 

Intel way better, you get the 13th and 14th gen, with the 14th gen being the 13th gen just binned slightly higher and free corrosion in 13th gen amd degredation in both. A bargain.

[Mr. Fox]

11 hours ago, Meaker said:

Intel way better, you get the 13th and 14th gen, with the 14th gen being the 13th gen just binned slightly higher and free corrosion in 13th gen amd degredation in both. A bargain.

I've had zero degradation on any of my 13th or 14th Gen CPUs. They are the best CPUs I have ever owned to be honest, in spite of the fact that they include the baby E-cores instead of being all daddy P-cores. They are amazing in every way, but not suitable for use as a toy in the hands of the ignorant. Those I own are also cherry silicon samples and I returned plenty of crappy samples that were comparatively poor products.

 

But, I don't use silly gimmicks like eTVB or allow run-away clocks, voltage and temperatures to ruin things like most noobs do. It was definitely Intel's fault for making defaults harmful, the same as it was for the Ryzen CPUs that were getting exploded (literally) and destroying the expensive new AM5 motherboards they blew up in from excessive voltage getting pushed to them. I think (hope) Intel and AMD both learned valuable lessons about how bad the idea of winning at all costs is concerned. I don't think it was accidental in either case as much as poor judgment.

  

19 hours ago, electrosoft said:

It's scary when you opt to run both platforms and realize the FUD on 13th/14th gen along with AMD. That's why I love that initial OOB experience of furnaces and/or piss poor performance then slowly tune and dial it in, set multiple profiles and everything is running smooth as silk with much better performance and good pull/temps.

Like most things we read and hear about from the talking heads and shock jocks, a tiny bit of truth surrounded by whatever lies and distortions and convenient omissions they think might help get them the attention they thrive on. I take most things like that with a grain of salt with the understanding there is an agenda behind it.

[Talon]

12 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

It's scary when you opt to run both platforms and realize the FUD on 13th/14th gen along with AMD. That's why I love that initial OOB experience of furnaces and/or piss poor performance then slowly tune and dial it in, set multiple profiles and everything is running smooth as silk with much better performance and good pull/temps.

 

 

I saw where AMD is guaranteeing Zen 6 while Intel has been quiet on 1851.

 

So compared to your tuned 14900ks, how do you feel about the 9800X3D vs it head to head for gaming so far? I'm (trying) to resist the pull till 9950X3D and snag one of those and a Taichi X870e.

 

I do know tuned, the 14900KS 5.9 all core w/ APO + 8400 2x24GB definitely was the winner overall vs my tuned 7950X3D + 6000 2x32GB tuned for WoW. With how the 7950X3D/7800X3D was a monster with Fallout 76 even vs the 14900KS rig, I am sure the 9000X3D would be a ripper.

 

 

 

So far in my testing, the 9800X3D is just a ripper in many cases. A game like Hogwarts Legacy and running through Hogsmeade at 4K with full RT, my 9800X3D and and 4070 Super beat out my 285K and RTX 4090. Of course I used DLSS Ultra Performance due to the 4070 Super being grossly under powered compared to the 4090. Even then, the 4070 Super was a limiting factor and maxing out at times. To me that is just wild. At times it was like 20-30% FASTER. 

 

In other games, my 285K is faster, games like BF2042 are faster on the 285K from my testing. So it does depend on the game. There are some where the 9800X3D and it's cache are just unstoppable, no matter how much memory tuning or speed you have. 

 

If you watched the interview the other day with Intel's Robert Hallock, he was asked about Intel bringing an X3D competitor, and his smug smirk and "Not at this time" comment kinda tell you everything. It's coming, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's sort of a surprise product. Maybe not a 200 series Ultra product, but I would be shocked if we don't see it next gen.

[Meaker]

51 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I've had zero degradation on any of my 13th or 14th Gen CPUs. They are the best CPUs I have ever owned to be honest, in spite of the fact that they include the baby E-cores instead of being all daddy P-cores. They are amazing in every way, but not suitable for use as a toy in the hands of the ignorant. Those I own are also cherry silicon samples and I returned plenty of crappy samples that were comparatively poor products.

 

But, I don't use silly gimmicks like eTVB or allow run-away clocks, voltage and temperatures to ruin things like most noobs do. It was definitely Intel's fault for making defaults harmful, the same as it was for the Ryzen CPUs that were getting exploded (literally) and destroying the motherboards they blew up in from excessive voltage getting pushed to them. I think (hope) Intel and AMD both learned valuable lessons about how bad the idea of winning at all costs in concerned. I don't think it was accidental in either case as much as poor judgment.

  

Like most things we read and hear about from the talking heads and shock jocks, a tiny bit of truth surrounded by whatever lies and distortions and convenient omissions they think might help get them the attention they thrive on. I take most things like that with a grain of salt with the understanding there is an agenda behind it.

 

That's like with cars saying you changed the oil and other accessories in half the time the manual states and are fine, that's still the failure of the manufacturer to give proper dates for service. It's a failure of the product, some of which were running in server environments with power limits and could still kill themselves. It's just not good enough IMO, same with the AMD side of things.

Then to lie, take ages to admit something was going on and rejecting warranties is so scummy.

[electrosoft]

6 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

So far in my testing, the 9800X3D is just a ripper in many cases. A game like Hogwarts Legacy and running through Hogsmeade at 4K with full RT, my 9800X3D and and 4070 Super beat out my 285K and RTX 4090. Of course I used DLSS Ultra Performance due to the 4070 Super being grossly under powered compared to the 4090. Even then, the 4070 Super was a limiting factor and maxing out at times. To me that is just wild. At times it was like 20-30% FASTER. 

 

In other games, my 285K is faster, games like BF2042 are faster on the 285K from my testing. So it does depend on the game. There are some where the 9800X3D and it's cache are just unstoppable, no matter how much memory tuning or speed you have. 

 

If you watched the interview the other day with Intel's Robert Hallock, he was asked about Intel bringing an X3D competitor, and his smug smirk and "Not at this time" comment kinda tell you everything. It's coming, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's sort of a surprise product. Maybe not a 200 series Ultra product, but I would be shocked if we don't see it next gen.

 

Yeah, when it hits, it hits. Like I said before, something like Fallout 76 where it all fits in the cache is scary faster than Intel. Tuned across both, and especially with APO and 8200+ tuned, you see Intel inch ahead in WoW. I really want to test 285k, but that platform cost shut me down for now.

 

I found Hogwarts was a ripper on X3D too. Can't wait to see the 4090 results with it.

 

I'm curious about BF2042 because it uses so many threads. If the 9950X3D comes with dual X3D, I suspect it may take the lead but that's a big if. If it is still the single X3D design, I'm gonna be a little disappointed. 🙂

 

I would LOVE to see Intel embrace extra cache. Let's call it Intel Burst Cache (IBC).... 🤣

 

6 minutes ago, Meaker said:

 

That's like with cars saying you changed the oil and other accessories in half the time the manual states and are fine, that's still the failure of the manufacturer to give proper dates for service. It's a failure of the product, some of which were running in server environments with power limits and could still kill themselves. It's just not good enough IMO, same with the AMD side of things.

Then to lie, take ages to admit something was going on and rejecting warranties is so scummy.

 

Absolutely true. For those of us who are going to manually tune, degradation isn't as much of a problem but as we found in the OC forums, people were still pushing too hard within their own control limits and still degraded their chips. Problematic for Intel out of the box and went on for so long and required multiple fixes which means even they couldn't figure it out during the first two mc updates.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, Talon said:

 

So far in my testing, the 9800X3D is just a ripper in many cases. A game like Hogwarts Legacy and running through Hogsmeade at 4K with full RT, my 9800X3D and and 4070 Super beat out my 285K and RTX 4090. Of course I used DLSS Ultra Performance due to the 4070 Super being grossly under powered compared to the 4090. Even then, the 4070 Super was a limiting factor and maxing out at times. To me that is just wild. At times it was like 20-30% FASTER. 

 

In other games, my 285K is faster, games like BF2042 are faster on the 285K from my testing. So it does depend on the game. There are some where the 9800X3D and it's cache are just unstoppable, no matter how much memory tuning or speed you have. 

 

If you watched the interview the other day with Intel's Robert Hallock, he was asked about Intel bringing an X3D competitor, and his smug smirk and "Not at this time" comment kinda tell you everything. It's coming, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's sort of a surprise product. Maybe not a 200 series Ultra product, but I would be shocked if we don't see it next gen.

So far I am enjoying tinkering with the 9950X, but there is a different feel to it. Something feels limited in some way that is hard to pinpoint and it has a frustrating aspect to it. Some of it may just be how different and more inconvenient the tuning process is compared to what I am used to. I remember the 5950X feeling that way, but it was a whole lot more frustrating and buggy that this newer platform is. I knew within 48 hours that buying it was a tragic mistake and poor judgment on my part, but I don't feel that way so far with the 9950X. So far no regrets, but I haven't done anything but fumble around with CPU and memory overclocking to find my way around and explore what works and what doesn't.

 

As we both mentioned before, these chips are not less hot-running that 13th or 14th Gen Intel. I am not sure where that myth came from. I am very quickly exhausting what little thermal headroom there is on a mainstream gamer AIO.

[Meaker]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

So far I am enjoying tinkering with the 9950X, but there is a different feel to it. Something feels limited in some way that is hard to pinpoint and it has a frustrating aspect to it. Some of it may just be how different and more inconvenient the tuning process is compared to what I am used to. I remember the 5950X feeling that way, but it was a whole lot more frustrating and buggy that this newer platform is. I knew with 48 hours that buying it was a tragic mistake and poor judgment on my part, but I don't feel that way so far with the 9950X.

What you are hitting are the limits of the IO die I think. The 9800X3D showed some productivity gains as it was relieving some of the pressure on it.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Meaker said:

What you are hitting are the limits of the IO die I think. The 9800X3D showed some productivity gains as it was relieving some of the pressure on it.

That is very possible. I have a lot to learn about the platform and it is going to be a slower process because there is very little in terms of educational information and useful forum posts because there seems to be a dramatic shortage of overclocking enthusiast participation on AMD. Lots of stupid comments when people ask, such as "why are you overclocking, it doesn't need to be overclocked" or "overclocking is dead, just use it and enjoy it" and similarly idiotic nonense.