*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[jaybee83]

humtz no luck getting 7800/8000/8100 stable, at least not with voltages im comfortable with.

 

bro @Mr. Fox what kinda voltages are u running? heres my list of max values, which i wouldnt like exceeding for 24/7:

SOC 1.30V (bios limit)

VDDIO 1.58

Misc 1.575

VDDP 1.199

RAM VDD/VDDQ 1.69

VDDG IOD/CCD both at 1.10 (FCLK stabilization, unrelated to RAM)

[Mr. Fox]

21 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

humtz no luck getting 7800/8000/8100 stable, at least not with voltages im comfortable with.

 

bro @Mr. Fox what kinda voltages are u running? heres my list of max values, which i wouldnt like exceeding for 24/7:

SOC 1.30V (bios limit)

VDDIO 1.58

Misc 1.575

VDDP 1.199

RAM VDD/VDDQ 1.69

VDDG IOD/CCD both at 1.10 (FCLK stabilization, unrelated to RAM)

Here you go, brother. Hope this is helpful.

Ooops, @jaybee83 and @electrosoft I forgot this one. I hope the firmware clown posse at A$$zeus puts this where it belongs in the primary memory timings section and not leave it buried in the AMD overclocking for idiots menus. You have to convert to hex for that menu. For now, this is the only way to set tRCDWR. 

[jaybee83]

44 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Here you go, brother. Hope this is helpful.

 

thx bud much appreciated! currently trying to get a stable baseline at 7600, from which i can extend my tuning again.

[Mr. Fox]

Looks like I am the lone ranger on 9070 XT 3DMark 11 benching at the moment.

 

The fact that the 9070 XT can handle these ray traced benchmarks without it turning into a slide show is a huge step forward for AMD. These scores are beating 3090 and 6900 XT scores soundly, and those were on chilled water. This is just maxed out fans and with the low-budget B850 mobo.

 

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark11_-_performance/submissions/5813158

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_sky_diver/submissions/5813198

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_fire_strike/submissions/5813197

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_time_spy/submissions/5813195

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_port_royal/submissions/5813193

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_solar_bay/submissions/5813191

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_steel_nomad_dx12/submissions/5813190

 

Hmm. I am going to have to re-run some of these on Winduhz 11 because some of the guys beating me are using that crappy OS. @Papusan are you ready to embrace Winduhz OS X for higher benchmark scores now? (I didn't think so. Me neither. Probably some deception and manipulation going on with that as the dangling carrot for the gamer children of the world.)

 

[Papusan]

 

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_time_spy_extreme/submissions/5813293

 

https://www.3dmark.com/hall-of-fame-2/timespy+graphics+score+extreme+preset/version+1.0

[Mr. Fox]

Gigabutt released a new BIOS and fixed the contextual help/hint text being the wrong language. It seems to run exactly the same. They didn't provide a menu option for disabling the WiFi7/BT module like I asked them to. So stupid that there is no way to disable the module.

 

[electrosoft]

9 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_time_spy_extreme/submissions/5813293

 

https://www.3dmark.com/hall-of-fame-2/timespy+graphics+score+extreme+preset/version+1.0

 

Astral flexing some seriously nice clocks there @Papusan!

 

I haven't seen a bum Astral (air or LC) yet really. I don't think I can resist the allure of my BB order. 🤣

 

@tps3443 what kind of clocks/scores are you getting with the 5090 FE in comparison?

 

@jaybee83 can't wait to see some Suprim loving up in here!

 

 

17 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Here you go, brother. Hope this is helpful.

 

All roads lead to Rome. Our 2nd / terts are very similar, but my primary are based around 2200/6400 vs G2(4), nice!

 

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@jaybee83 x870e crosshair Extreme if you want to upgrade and continue to address us peasants with Hero only 🤣

 

https://videocardz.com/pixel/asus-rog-crosshair-x870e-extreme-motherboard-has-been-pictured

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Astral flexing some seriously nice clocks there @Papusan!

 

I haven't seen a bum Astral (air or LC) yet really. I don't think I can resist the allure of my BB order. 🤣

 

I expect much more from Asus flagship costing +70% above MSRP. As with the failed 4th fan for the Astral aircooled card, the LC version have it's own flaws. Asus went for design over functionality.

 

See the huge gap between the ROG fan and the radiator. It leaks air flow between fan and rad  as hell. This isn't nice or clever design by any engineer. This is just dumb. They made the fan so fancy with pattern and uneven height. Maybe the engineer that created this fan design or approved it to be used should find a new job ? @Mr. Fox

 

What Galax offer with  their HOF series cards is miles in front of what Asus is able to deliver.

 

This Is just embarrassing.... This follow same pattern with no screws to mount the rad in you pc box.

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

I expect much more from Asus flagship costing +70% above MSRP. As with the failed 4th fan for the Astral aircooled card, the LC version have it's own flaws. Asus went for design over functionality.

 

See the huge gap between the ROG fan and the radiator. It leaks air flow between fan and rad  as hell. This isn't nice or clever design by any engineer. This is just dumb. They made the fan so fancy with pattern and uneven height. Maybe the engineer that created this fan design or approved it to be used should find a new job ? @Mr. Fox

 

What Galax offer with  their HOF series cards is miles in front of what Asus is able to deliver.

 

This Is just embarrassing.... This follow same pattern with no screws to mount the rad in you pc box.

 

It is harder that ever to expect good things from A$$zeus or their competitors. What makes the A$$zeus clown posse particularly corrupt is how they charge significantly more (often 50 to 75% more) for their uniquely-stupid broken trash. That makes it harder than ever to have any respect for them. I'm happy that you got what you wanted, albeit at an astronomical price. I'm sad that the quality and performance are not aligned with the 70% penalty assessed for being a loyal A$$zeus customer. Have you identified any legitimate reason or benefit for paying the loyalty tariff?

[Papusan]

35 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It is harder that ever to expect good things from A$$zeus or their competitors. What makes the A$zeus clown posse particularly corrupt is how they charge significantly more (often 50 to 75% more) for their uniquely-stupid broken trash.  I'm happy that you got what you wanted, albeit at an astronomical price. I'm sad that the quality and performance are not aligned with the 70% penalty assessed for being a loyal A$$zeus customer. Have you identified any legitimate reason for the loyalty tariff?

 

I often buy used cards. They all have their flaws. And more expensive doesn't justify the massive price increase. As said before... Up to 20% mark up is acceptable if the product stands out in the bunch of trash. Yup I use the phrase trash, because awesome doesn't exist in the real world. Maximize the profits margins will always destroy otherwise great products.

 

Lets take the 4090 Matrix from Asus. Fantastic design, binned chips (yup thats correct)....But failed hard with a pure copper coldplate with liquid metal attached. How stupid... And that card cost $1400 USD above 4090 Strix. Imagine that... The temps would be almost equal if they used nickel plated copper. So this wasn't the reason  for the cheaper choice.

 

If I buy new... I buy what people want in the used market here home. I see what sell out fast when its used. This way I can get back some of the extra money spent. I don't see this Asus card as a collector item. Nothing special  with the Astral cards. Just a new name SKU  to increase the already high ROG price point.

 

Regarding the high prices above MSRP. Asus fail to beat Gigabyte. That's even worse. I wouldnever ever expext that. Then you have ZOTAC. They aren't much cheaper anymore for their flagship cards (+50% above MSRP)..

[Mr. Fox]

25 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

I often buy used cards. They all have their flaws. And more expensive doesn't justify the massive price increase. As said before... Up to 20% mark up is acceptable if the product stands out in the bunch of trash. Yup I use the phrase trash, because awesome doesn't exist in the real world. Maximize the profits margins will always destroy otherwise great products.

 

Lets take the 4090 Matrix from Asus. Fantastic design, binned chips (yup thats correct)....But failed hard with a pure copper coldplate with liquid metal attached. How stupid... And that card cost $1400 USD above 4090 Strix. Imagine that... The temps would be almost equal if they used nickel plated copper. So this wasn't the reason  for the cheaper choice.

 

If I buy new... I buy what people want in the used market here home. I see what sell out fast when its used. This way I can get back some of the extra money spent. I don't see this Asus card as a collector item. Nothing special  with the Astral cards. Just a new name SKU  to increase the already high ROG price point.

 

Regarding the high prices above MSRP. Asus fail to beat Gigabyte. That's even worse. I wouldnever ever expext that. Then you have ZOTAC. They aren't much cheaper anymore for their flagship cards (+50% above MSRP)..

I think what we are seeing is a normalization of extreme corruption and severe stupidity. That has been the status quo for years with government, but it is becoming normal in the private sector now.

[Papusan]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think what we are seeing is a normalization of extreme corruption and severe stupidity. That has been the status quo for years with government, but it is becoming normal in the private sector now.

 

20% above MSRP would mean $2400 for the best 5090. Custom flagship cards should never be priced above that from any AIB partners. Yep, could been cheaper for customized cards but that is NVIDIA's faulth. And the cheaper Gpu SKUs as etc 5070 I would say $50 premium for the better custom cards. 10-15% for the flagship cards in between 5070 and 5090. Or ideally 10% markup for all of them. And with Nvidia reducing already high MSRP. But this will never happen with nvidia.

 

If the AI bubble blow of (bursts).... Gamers will have to pay even more for Geforce graphics cards. Not less.

[Mr. Fox]

18 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

20% above MSRP would mean $2400 for the best 5090. Custom flagship cards should never be priced above that from any AIB partners. Yep, could been cheaper for customized cards but that is NVIDIA's faulth. And the cheaper Gpu SKUs as etc 5070 I would say $50 premium for the better custom cards. 10-15% for the flagship cards in between 5070 and 5090. Or ideally 10% markup for all of them. And with Nvidia reducing already high MSRP. But this will never happen with nvidia.

 

If the AI bubble blow of.... Gamers will have to pay even more for Geforce graphics cards. Not less.

We live in troubled times, with the sheeple guided by troubled people that are unfit as guides. I just thought of a brand new smartass comment today. I may start using it when the opportunity arises. "The maggots are hatching." 🤣 (aka - the idiots are coming out of the woodwork, and there are lots of them)

 

ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR X870E APEX Overclocking & Discussion Thread

[jaybee83]

 

22 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Here you go, brother. Hope this is helpful.

Ooops, @jaybee83 and @electrosoft I forgot this one. I hope the firmware clown posse at A$$zeus puts this where it belongs in the primary memory timings section and not leave it buried in the AMD overclocking for idiots menus. You have to convert to hex for that menu. For now, this is the only way to set tRCDWR. 

 

shoot, unfortunately nothing new that i hadnt considered before setting-wise. couldnt stabilize 7600 for the life of me, so i abandoned that route for now and focussing on 1:1 settings. able to boot 6600 but not stable, so currently getting a 6400 baseline. if this works out, itll give me more of a perf. boost than going 2:1 at sub-7600.

 

im also considering getting a new RAM kit to check my options there. either a regular G.Skill 8400 kit or G.Skill CKD 9600 (although the latter aint supported in CKD mode on AM5 and its double the price of the former 😄), maybe that could give me more of an edge with this CPU/board combo.

 

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

@jaybee83 can't wait to see some Suprim loving up in here!

 

 

@jaybee83 x870e crosshair Extreme if you want to upgrade and continue to address us peasants with Hero only 🤣

 

https://videocardz.com/pixel/asus-rog-crosshair-x870e-extreme-motherboard-has-been-pictured

 

 

you and me both @Suprim loving 😄 ill be starting back at work after my parental leave this tuesday and both my lady and lil princess are planning a trip to the grandparents for two weeks at the end of april / beg of may. 

means ill be home alone for TWO FULL WEEKS. as long as the Suprim reaches me in time before that, its gonna be gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood 😎 unhindered tuning / tinkering time for daddy 😄 

 

as for the X870E Extreme....soooo Wifi7 and a new colorful display? welp im planning to upgrade my wifi module soon anyways, so COLOR me unimpressed (pun intended 😛) still gonna check out the reviews and detailed spec list once available.

 

in any case, STILL gonna call you Hero folks PEASANTS mwahaha 😄 

[Mr. Fox]

16 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

shoot, unfortunately nothing new that i hadnt considered before setting-wise. couldnt stabilize 7600 for the life of me, so i abandoned that route for now and focussing on 1:1 settings. able to boot 6600 but not stable, so currently getting a 6400 baseline. if this works out, itll give me more of a perf. boost than going 2:1 at sub-7600.

 

im also considering getting a new RAM kit to check my options there. either a regular G.Skill 8400 kit or G.Skill CKD 9600 (although the latter aint supported in CKD mode on AM5 and its double the price of the former 😄), maybe that could give me more of an edge with this CPU/board combo.

Very strong possibility the issue is your sticks are crappy rather than the CPU. Out of more than a dozen returned memory kits I usually find one kit worth keeping. Also, be careful with 24GB sticks. The Apex might change things in this respect, but so far none of my Ryzen systems have played nice with 24GB modules and stability for more than RAM benchmark was never achieved. Intel eats the 24GB sticks like candy, but Ryzen chokes on them.

[jaybee83]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Very strong possibility the issue is your sticks are crappy rather than the CPU. Out of more than a dozen returned memory kits I usually find one kit worth keeping. Also, be careful with 24GB sticks. The Apex might change things in this respect, but so far none of my Ryzen systems have played nice with 24GB modules and stability for more than RAM benchmark was never achieved. Intel eats the 24GB sticks like candy, but Ryzen chokes on them.

 

yep thats what im counting on, it being the sticks. altho i was able to stabilize them at 7600 on my 7950X. i guess theres always an interdependency factor with the CPU IMC. 

 

in any case, for now im just gonna dial in the best i can with the current sticks and then focus on the 5090 first 🙂once i got some budget back from selling off parts ill reconsider getting new RAM.

 

so much tuning / tinkering to do, so little time! 😄 

[Mr. Fox]

The 9070 XT beat the 4090 in this benchmark.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The 9070 XT beat the 4090 in this benchmark.

 

I'm sure the results for 4000 series graphics cards would be better if nvidia bothered spend some time with the drivers for EOL cards. Same also for even older 3000 series.

 

 

Game developers are recommending GeForce RTX 40 Series owners roll back to drivers from 2024

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/104313/game-developers-are-recommending-geforce-rtx-40-series-owners-roll-back-to-drivers-from-2024/index.html

 

 

Yup, the direction for modern tech goes the wrong way... If I remember correct... The mobile 5090 have less cores than 5080 desktop cards. And you get jokebooks with soldered on 5090@95W 

 

GeForce RTX 5090 laptops are a whopping 50 percent slower than the desktop RTX 5090

[Mr. Fox]

52 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

I'm sure the results for 4000 series graphics cards would be better if nvidia bothered spend some time with the drivers for EOL cards. Same also for even older 3000 series.

 

 

Game developers are recommending GeForce RTX 40 Series owners roll back to drivers from 2024

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/104313/game-developers-are-recommending-geforce-rtx-40-series-owners-roll-back-to-drivers-from-2024/index.html

 

 

Yup, the direction for modern tech goes the wrong way... If I remember correct... The mobile 5090 have less cores than 5080 desktop cards. And you get jokebooks with soldered on 5090@95W 

 

GeForce RTX 5090 laptops are a whopping 50 percent slower than the desktop RTX 5090

Well, that is the driver I have installed already. But, your point is no less valid regardless. I seldom ever use current drivers because most of the time there is an older one that is better.

 

This is how the PC tech landscape looks now. And, we're supposed to somehow be happy about it.

They're full of what you see in this photo. It's what they sell and it's what they're doing to us all.

[electrosoft]

10 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

I expect much more from Asus flagship costing +70% above MSRP. As with the failed 4th fan for the Astral aircooled card, the LC version have it's own flaws. Asus went for design over functionality.

 

See the huge gap between the ROG fan and the radiator. It leaks air flow between fan and rad  as hell. This isn't nice or clever design by any engineer. This is just dumb. They made the fan so fancy with pattern and uneven height. Maybe the engineer that created this fan design or approved it to be used should find a new job ? @Mr. Fox

 

What Galax offer with  their HOF series cards is miles in front of what Asus is able to deliver.

 

This Is just embarrassing.... This follow same pattern with no screws to mount the rad in you pc box.

 

 

Asus did address the harmonics issues with the fourth fan with a vBIOS update but I get your point.

 

For a company that charges such an asus tax, you would expect HOF levels of perfection and we're just not getting it.

 

It's frustrating.

 

8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It is harder that ever to expect good things from A$$zeus or their competitors. What makes the A$$zeus clown posse particularly corrupt is how they charge significantly more (often 50 to 75% more) for their uniquely-stupid broken trash. That makes it harder than ever to have any respect for them. I'm happy that you got what you wanted, albeit at an astronomical price. I'm sad that the quality and performance are not aligned with the 70% penalty assessed for being a loyal A$$zeus customer. Have you identified any legitimate reason or benefit for paying the loyalty tariff?

 

What I find frustrating from Asus is they hit it out of the park with their GPU Tweak software and pin monitoring and to a level their build quality, but then fail cutting costs everywhere and charging so much more overall vs MSRP.

 

5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

 

shoot, unfortunately nothing new that i hadnt considered before setting-wise. couldnt stabilize 7600 for the life of me, so i abandoned that route for now and focussing on 1:1 settings. able to boot 6600 but not stable, so currently getting a 6400 baseline. if this works out, itll give me more of a perf. boost than going 2:1 at sub-7600.

 

im also considering getting a new RAM kit to check my options there. either a regular G.Skill 8400 kit or G.Skill CKD 9600 (although the latter aint supported in CKD mode on AM5 and its double the price of the former 😄), maybe that could give me more of an edge with this CPU/board combo.

 

 

you and me both @Suprim loving 😄 ill be starting back at work after my parental leave this tuesday and both my lady and lil princess are planning a trip to the grandparents for two weeks at the end of april / beg of may. 

means ill be home alone for TWO FULL WEEKS. as long as the Suprim reaches me in time before that, its gonna be gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood 😎 unhindered tuning / tinkering time for daddy 😄 

 

as for the X870E Extreme....soooo Wifi7 and a new colorful display? welp im planning to upgrade my wifi module soon anyways, so COLOR me unimpressed (pun intended 😛) still gonna check out the reviews and detailed spec list once available.

 

in any case, STILL gonna call you Hero folks PEASANTS mwahaha 😄 

 

I would think it would be the ram, but it is TG which is usually pretty solid and it is rated at 8200 but still it *could* the ram. It could also be your board as alluded to before being a 2DPC board that is stalling it with issues >=7600. I know the stupid $80 1DPC Asrock board bested my 2DPC Carbon pretty easily for 8000+.

 

59 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Yup, the direction for modern tech goes the wrong way... If I remember correct... The mobile 5090 have less cores than 5080 desktop cards. And you get jokebooks with soldered on 5090@95W 

 

GeForce RTX 5090 laptops are a whopping 50 percent slower than the desktop RTX 5090

 

Physics can not be defeated. Reason 4090 was so much better than the 3080ti mobile was the node shrink. Keeping the same node means there's only so much you can do with a 175w envelope and there was no way you were going to see a major performance bump.

 

Then laptop makers decide to insanely bump prices prices into the stratosphere for the 5000 series......

 

 

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

This is how the PC tech landscape looks now. And, we're supposed to somehow be happy about it.

They're full of what you see in this photo. It's what they sell and it's what they're doing to us all.

 

LOL. This one made my day. Thanks brother Fox 🙂

 

The first Ryzen 9 9950X3D dies after just 9 days on an ASRock motherboard

 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Asus did address the harmonics issues with the fourth fan with a vBIOS update but I get your point.

 

For a company that charges such an asus tax, you would expect HOF levels of perfection and we're just not getting it.

 

It's frustrating.

 

Yep, bro Fox was spot on with the nice comparison above😀

 

Not so sure der8auer was completely agree. And Asus could shaveed of some cost if they made the card  with tripple fans. But they went fancy over functionality and increased the prices. Even the fan control isn't made proper for that card. But still a nice card 🙂 I really like the design. I should only wished they made a full cover back plate. I hate the spacing around the chips. Also 4090 Suprim had the cut of around the GPU. Better with fullcover backplate and thermal pad.

 

A lot nicer with a proper backplate. 

 

[jaybee83]

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The 9070 XT beat the 4090 in this benchmark.

 

my 4090 feels offended by this....but is also quite impressed 😛 

 

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, that is the driver I have installed already. But, your point is no less valid regardless. I seldom ever use current drivers because most of the time there is an older one that is better.

 

This is how the PC tech landscape looks now. And, we're supposed to somehow be happy about it.

They're full of what you see in this photo. It's what they sell and it's what they're doing to us all.

 

dude, i JUST finished my breakfast here! was planning to keep it down, mkay? 😄  

 

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

The first Ryzen 9 9950X3D dies after just 9 days on an ASRock motherboard

 

oh cmoooon..... cant we just get ONE part theese days without the risk of it crapping out on us inside the first week/month/year? seriously...

[electrosoft]

10 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

LOL. This one made my day. Thanks brother Fox 🙂

 

The first Ryzen 9 9950X3D dies after just 9 days on an ASRock motherboard

 

 

Yep, bro Fox was spot on with the nice comparison above😀

 

Not so sure der8auer was completely agree. And Asus could shaveed of some cost if they made the card  with tripple fans. But they went fancy over functionality and increased the prices. Even the fan control isn't made proper for that card. But still a nice card 🙂 I really like the design. I should only wished they made a full cover back plate. I hate the spacing around the chips. Also 4090 Suprim had the cut of around the GPU. Better with fullcover backplate and thermal pad.

 

A lot nicer with a proper backplate. 

 

 

After der8uer's video, I actually spent time hunting down YT videos of the card in action and even before the vBIOS update, it wasn't bad at all.

 

Nobody complains in the forums about it either.

 

I actually put headphones on to really listen and the overall sound profile of the Astral is better than half the cards I've owned in the past easily.

 

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But having owned your LC for a bit now, are you overall happy with it or are you going to return it?

 

 

[jaybee83]

4 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

After der8uer's video, I actually spent time hunting down YT videos of the card in action and even before the vBIOS update, it wasn't bad at all.

 

Nobody complains in the forums about it either.

 

I actually put headphones on to really listen and the overall sound profile of the Astral is better than half the cards I've owned in the past easily.

 

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But having owned your LC for a bit now, are you overall happy with it or are you going to return it?

 

 

 

whats your ETA?

[Mr. Fox]