*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Meaker]

Decided to change out my case, also got a new card after a bearing issue with the fans. This one seems much happier.

 

 

[jaybee83]

20 minutes ago, Meaker said:

Decided to change out my case, also got a new card after a bearing issue with the fans. This one seems much happier.

 

 

 

niiiiice, very clean setup 🙂 what are the specs again?

 

edit: nvm, saw ur sig 😛 planning any upgrades soon?

[electrosoft]

7 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

No ETA yet, the shop i ordered from is waiting on the next GPU shipment from MSI, latest info was beginning of April. SO "should" be arriving by next week at their shop.

 

 

welp... i mostly got it for its cooling potential 😄 

 

 

well well well...you dont say that the 9950X3D has just met its purpose/justification over the 9800X3D in gaming? 😛 😄 

 

The Suprim is the last card I'm curious to see in action so awaiting the magic. 🙂

 

I gotta admit, the GPU sag thingy was very underwhelming for the Astral. Lots of other swag in the box though in classic Asus style.

 

lol, 9950X3D..... I mean I'm running the classic ~5450 OC on my 9800X3D and I thought maybe the 5090 would also cap out but watching it dance down to even 92% lets you know there's even more fps in the tank! Now I go exploring for some new benchmark locations but that particular spot has a nice bit of RT shadows and a mix of textures devoid (usually) of other player data to remove that burden from the CPU.

 

5 hours ago, tps3443 said:

 

NICE!! I think the Astral looks very GOOD in my opinion. Big in your face GPU Godzilla! 
 

So, since you have a 5080FE already which was $999. I can see why you may struggle with keeping the Astral for that much cash. The 5080FE value is already impressive! I have to agree about the coil whine. I felt the same way about my 5090FE. you have to open the door and place your ear right beside the GPU and listen to it, I thought my 5090FE sounded amazing! Good luck on your decision! Excellent graphic card. 

 

It is an absolute monster in size and I'm here for it lol. Yeah, even value wise against the 5080FE the 5090FE is a bad buy price:performance and it just gets worse after that but looking at all the 5090FE data over the last couple of months, the Astral obviously runs cooler, quieter, clocks higher and does have the extra pin functionality while being an absolute tank. The only problem is you're paying for it.

 

Seeing it boost to 2900+ topping out at 2955mhz out of the box stock and even when hit hard never going below 2857mhz was very nice to see. Memory temps are much better than many other cards I've seen capping out at 72 and GPU at 65 on Timespy runs.

 

I always hold my breath during that first run of anything waiting to see where my GPUs land coil whine wise. You should have seen me testing 7900xtx's.....coil whine central except for the MSI.

 

I hate it when a very pricey item doesn't give me easily objective reasons to return it (underperformer, overheats, coil whine, excessive fan noise, defective, ugly, etc...) so then it really comes down to price only because I have zero complaints everywhere else. 🤣

 

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Congratsl. That's a big question to answer because of the ginormous price tag. Even in your cavernous case it looks huge. I am almost positive that would not fit in the Air Max 903 case.

 

Some people think/complain the 903 is a big case, LOL. It's definitely not. It's very nice. It is small to a fault that is enough that I now regret purchasing it. Definitely only suitable for air cooler and AIO jockeys. I have already tried to figure a way to put a custom loop for CPU-only inside of it and there is just no good place for pump or reservoir to mount. The good thing about it is that it was dirt cheap. It won't be a loss worth losing any sleep over if I just dropped it off at Goodwill or scavanged the fans (nice fans) from it and threw the rest of it in the trash.

 

I may get rid of it and buy another 011D XL EVO. You can do almost anything with the 011D XL EVO. I wish there was a way to easily mount a MO-RA 360 radiator to the rear/right side door and have it look as if it were made to be used that way.

 

I thought the same thing. It is the first GPU to look at home in my monster sized Phanteks case. When I was picking it up, the sales rep who checked me out was also the same one who unloaded it from the truck. His exact words:

 

"Oh, you're the one who got the first Astral this store has seen, awesome bro! When I unloaded this from the truck all I could think was 'this thing is heavy af, sheesh!'"

 

He's rocking a 7800X3D + 4090 prebuilt. I asked him if he was going to upgrade and he said, "dude, I'm still paying off this desktop! lol"

 

Makes me wonder how much he has paid in interest so far.....

 

I can hold onto it for ~60 days before my return window runs out so I can get plenty of testing in. Like I told @tps3443 above, zero problems or issues with the card means it boils down to a cost issue and seeing it boost up to 2955 out of the box at stock is pretty righteous and all the temps look good (yes, yes I know a block would take it to the moon 🙂 ) but $3582.59 out the door is pretty expensive vs a 5090FE at 2132.49 out the door = ~$1450.10 difference. That's a major chunk of change but the card does deliver and then some.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Yup, the cut off on the backplate around the GPU is a stupid design choice. And it won't make the card looks prettier. 

 

 

 

Congrats brother. It's a big beast of a card. How is the difference in noise level bethween the performance vs quiet bios? 

 

And don't  forget to check if the Red light near the trash connector start blincking😁 And have a spare cable with the trash connector **the biggest failure with the 4000 and 5000 series cards.

 

 

 

 

 

I actually like the cut off around the backplate going back to the Strrix 3080 and pretty much most of AMD's GPUs.

 

I will say that performance vs quiet mode with the vBIOS update is noticeable when under load I think the fans up to ~40% sound about the same to me but after that something changes and while the performance mode isn't an issue (and I'm picky mind you), quiet mode drops the harmonics down nicely but I did notice temps are slightly higher. I will stick with performance mode.

 

Oh, I saw the red light on before powering up where it turns off........for now. 🙂

 

 

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For everyone who ran a 4090 and/or run a 5090, my main question is, why don't the vast majority run the included cable with the GPU? Is it an aesthetics reason? Or? The vast majority of burned out cables tend to be running 3rd party or PSU included cables vs the AIB included 4-headed tentacle.....

 

[jaybee83]

28 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

The Suprim is the last card I'm curious to see in action so awaiting the magic. 🙂

 

I gotta admit, the GPU sag thingy was very underwhelming for the Astral. Lots of other swag in the box though in classic Asus style.

 

For everyone who ran a 4090 and/or run a 5090, my main question is, why don't the vast majority run the included cable with the GPU? Is it an aesthetics reason? Or? The vast majority of burned out cables tend to be running 3rd party or PSU included cables vs the AIB included 4-headed tentacle.....

 

will let you know for sure once its in my hands 🙂

 

regarding sag bracket, im using the one included by the mobo, its all metal, simple design and very sturdy. havent touched the MSI included one....

 

as for the tentacle adapter, for me its both easier handling / aesthetics, as well as peace of mind. i trust Seasonic WAY more than i do Nvidia when it comes to PSU cables 😛 plus, one less potential point of failure due to only one cable utilized.

[Meaker]

24 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

niiiiice, very clean setup 🙂 what are the specs again?

 

edit: nvm, saw ur sig 😛 planning any upgrades soon?

 

No, I think i'm sorted for now. I think I will wait CPU wise for the next AM5 gen.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Meaker said:

Decided to change out my case, also got a new card after a bearing issue with the fans. This one seems much happier.

 

 

 

Looks so industrial, metallic and slick!

 

Do you still use a laptop or do you pack up your sff and take it with you?

 

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

 

will let you know for sure once its in my hands 🙂

 

regarding sag bracket, im using the one included by the mobo, its all metal, simple design and very sturdy. havent touched the MSI included one....

 

as for the tentacle adapter, for me its both easier handling / aesthetics, as well as peace of mind. i trust Seasonic WAY more than i do Nvidia when it comes to PSU cables 😛 plus, one less potential point of failure due to only one cable utilized.

 

Looking forward to it. 🙂

 

Yeah, I am looking at some GPU sag brackets. I could order the official Asus one here while I get my Asus gamerz hat and shirt with built in RGB for full effect going.....

 

Just looking at the bulk of reported cases, the tentacle seems to be the safest route but more importantly if something happens at the GPU point, the entire burden of responsibility falls on the AIB. Outside of aesthetics, I'm trying to see the downside.

 

I do plan on rerouting my cables from the top OR finding some wider/nicer velcro ties to clean it up though.

 

 

 

 

[Meaker]

20 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Looks so industrial, metallic and slick!

 

Do you still use a laptop or do you pack up your sff and take it with you?

 

 

Looking forward to it. 🙂

 

Yeah, I am looking at some GPU sag brackets. I could order the official Asus one here while I get my Asus gamerz hat and shirt with built in RGB for full effect going.....

 

Just looking at the bulk of reported cases, the tentacle seems to be the safest route but more importantly if something happens at the GPU point, the entire burden of responsibility falls on the AIB. Outside of aesthetics, I'm trying to see the downside.

 

I do plan on rerouting my cables from the top OR finding some wider/nicer velcro ties to clean it up though.

 

 

 

 

I have a work laptop (Lenovo T14 thinkpad) and my old GS30 that I use for things like dumping microSD footage or programming my car's ECU. But otherwise I just have my phone and tablet while on the go (S7+ tablet which I use for my choir sheet music mostly and flip 6 phone which fits really easily into a handbag or even evening little black bag).

 

The Gen5 capable riser from my old case did not fit the new bracket on this case so I drilled a couple of extra holes in the PCB to make it work 🙂

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Yeah, I am looking at some GPU sag brackets. I could order the official Asus one here while I get my Asus gamerz hat and shirt with built in RGB for full effect going.....

 

Just looking at the bulk of reported cases, the tentacle seems to be the safest route but more importantly if something happens at the GPU point, the entire burden of responsibility falls on the AIB. Outside of aesthetics, I'm trying to see the downside.

Yeah that Herculx GPU support is so tacky-looking, LOL. The first time I saw it I think I actually did laugh out loud at how obnoxious and garish it is. A face that only a mother fanboy could love. It screams "look at me... I'm so special" and that soothes the souls of the A$$zeus fanbois.

 

There isn't any downside to using the 12VHPWR pigtail other than the poor aesthetic and added bulk. Using it really negates the one obscure and unimportant benefit that 12VHPWR offered; which was easier and cleaner cable management due to the reduced bulk. The most logical reason to use it would be to make it more difficult for the slimeball manufacturers to make lame excuses for denying a warranty claim if it melts due to the inherent engineering defects and reliability inferiority of the 12VHPWR abortion.

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Looking forward to it. 🙂

 

Yeah, I am looking at some GPU sag brackets. I could order the official Asus one here while I get my Asus gamerz hat and shirt with built in RGB for full effect going.....

 

Nice. Asus put with wimpy trash + useless promotion gears in their $3000+ Gpu package and then try lure you to buy their overpriced RGB pukestick? Find something else brother. And who in their right mind would pay $35 usd for this kids junk? Even if I  got it for free... i would never use it.

 

I'm sure you'll find something nice and cheap than buy that kids looking toy-stick 

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yeah that Herculx GPU support is so tacky-looking, LOL. The first time I saw it I think I actually did laugh out loud at how obnoxious and garish it is. A face that only a mother fanboy could love. It screams "look at me... I'm so special" and that soothes the soul of the A$$zeus fanbois.

 

Tacky-looking? Rather say darn ugly. Please, Don't Lose Your Touch Brother🙂

 

 

Ugly! Not Tacky-looking.

[electrosoft]

3+ hrs of WoW on the Astral 5090 pure stock:

 

 

That power draw had to be transient spikes of some sort as during actual gameplay, it was usually sub 400w or lower with fps locked to 140fps.

 

Same problems with the 5080/4090 exist with the 5090 but more severe. In raids, you get more fps than the 5080/4090 but the CPU is taking a pounding with all that player data and GPU utilization can sink lower than 50% in some areas because the 5090 is just a beast but when it really counts it is being under utilized with the 5090 same as with the 4090 and 5080.

 

Still seeing fps drop below 100fps into the high 80s and 90s but that's better than the low to low 60s with the 5080 in some moments. I cap my fps in WoW and FO76 to 140fps because it's all about the lows (plus the engines can have problems with too high of frame rates especially FO76 which goes bonkers past ~175fps).

 

So has performance been better? Absolutely, but the CPU being the bottleneck during raids and outdoor bosses in TWW is still a problem. Everywhere else, 144fps locked but I was getting that (or close to it) with the 5080 and 4090 anyhow.

 

The lows have definitely improved and for me they mean much more than the highs and former areas that could get a little rough are now buttery smooth but $2516.35 worth of differences (difference between 5080 FE and Astral 5090)? Hmmmm.....

 

Onward to FO76.....

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

https://www.overclock.net/threads/z790-apex-white-a04-and-sp108-14900ks.1815710/?post_id=29451383#post-29451383

[Papusan]

 

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_port_royal/submissions/5816562

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/130298471

 

9 hours ago, electrosoft said:

The lows have definitely improved and for me they mean much more than the highs and former areas that could get a little rough are now buttery smooth but $2516.35 worth of differences (difference between 5080 FE and Astral 5090)? Hmmmm.....

 

Hmmm. Nope🙂 A much  better deal was for those that could find used custom 4090's at $1000 when everyone else hunted after 5090 ghosts and hence sold their 4090's all too cheap to offset the much higher cost..

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_port_royal/submissions/5816562

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/130298471

 

 

Hmmm. Nope🙂 A much  better deal was for those that could find used custom 4090's at $1000 when everyone else hunted after 5090 ghosts and hence sold their 4090's all too cheap to offset the much higher cost..

 

I can't recall anybody in our circle selling a 4090 for $1k lol. I sold mine for $2100. Picked up a 5080FE for $1k and reaped the bulk of the performance at half the cost 🙂

 

I don't think I saw anybody over on the other forums sell that low either, but I'm sure there were idiots who rushed out and sold theirs for dirt cheap.

 

You're going to hold onto your 4090 HOF along with your Atral 5090 LC @Papusan?

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I can't recall anybody in our circle selling a 4090 for $1k lol. I sold mine for $2100. Picked up a 5080FE for $1k and reaped the bulk of the performance at half the cost 🙂

 

I don't think I saw anybody over on the other forums sell that low either, but I'm sure there were idiots who rushed out and sold theirs for dirt cheap.

 

You're going to hold onto your 4090 HOF along with your Atral 5090 LC @Papusan?

I would not sell either of my 4090's for less than what I paid for them brand new. Not because they were worth what I paid for them. They were not. But, they sell  for more than what they are worth... like everything else just about. Everything in PC tech now is a poor value. Nothing is worth what it sells for. The world is overrun by idiots that are fools with their money. I'm one of those idiots, but trying to stop being one of them.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I can't recall anybody in our circle selling a 4090 for $1k lol. I sold mine for $2100. Picked up a 5080FE for $1k and reaped the bulk of the performance at half the cost 🙂

 

I don't think I saw anybody over on the other forums sell that low either, but I'm sure there were idiots who rushed out and sold theirs for dirt cheap.

 

You're going to hold onto your 4090 HOF along with your Atral 5090 LC @Papusan?

 

99% sure I will keep the 4090 HOF. A real collector item. And I have both the XOC firmware and the XOC tool from Galax, soo. And the whole package (everything) is in pristine condition🙂

 

A nice to have card when I get rid of the 5090 Astral LC when it's time for 6090. Asus offer overpriced products and without soul. And come with cheapo gadgets as etc the ROG badgebutton for kids, the useless tiny GPU sag bracket and the fancy useless gold stamped ruler. This is not a collector item. The Astral is not a bad card (I really like it), but it will never  be a collector item. Sad Asus went greedy and only made a cheap copy cat of the 4090 Matrix. 

[Mr. Fox]

9 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Asus offer overpriced products and without soul. And come with cheapo gadgets as etc the ROG badgebutton for kids, the useless tiny GPU sag bracket and the fancy useless gold stamped ruler. This is not a collector item. 

Unless you are a garbage collector. ASUS always gives us things we don't care about for free, LOL.

Don't forget the stickers for the children, and the stupid things like cardboard coasters and key rings.

9 minutes ago, Papusan said:

99% sure I will keep the 4090 HOF. A real collector item. And I have both the XOC firmware and the XOC tool from Galax, soo. And the whole package (everything) is in pristine condition🙂

You should never sell it. If you do, then maybe sell it to me.

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I would not sell either of my 4090's for less than what I paid for them brand new. Not because they were worth what I paid for them. They were not. But, they sell  for more than what they are worth... like everything else just about. Everything in PC tech now is a poor value. Nothing is worth what it sells for. The world is overrun by idiots that are fools with their money. I'm one of those idiots, but trying to stop being one of them.

 

This.

 

I mean I did see a few 4090s go for $1300-1500 but $1000?

 

I think we've reached a tipping point that just about nothing is going to be, "good value" because technology has hit a point that except for rare instances (ampere to ada) we will never receive the performance uplifts of yore but what we will receive are hefty price increases depending on the market. In this case, it is GPUs followed by Motherboards.

 

CPUs haven't increased on the scale of GPUs or motherboards. 9900k launched at $500 for example. 285k's are $600.

 

Nvidia is solely responsible for just accelerating prices upward on their GPUs in one of the greediest fashions I've ever seen and on the upper end there really is no competition and mid to lower they barely moved the meter in regards to performance but in their defense prices remained the same or actually went down.

 

Then we have the AIBs......

 

Asus would clearly drown a nun for an extra 1% in profit.....

MSI has suddenly gotten extremely greedy....

 

 

I guess like you said, you're trying to not engage but you have purchased all the newest tech with an Apex on its way. 🙂 It's just the 5090 that gave you pause.

 

I hope you win the internal battle, but I suspect seeing all these results might break ya @Mr. Fox! 🤣

 

(while still benchmarking and collecting data on my Astral 5090) "Stay strong brother!" 🤑

 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

99% sure I will keep the 4090 HOF. A real collector item. And I have both the XOC firmware and the XOC tool from Galax, soo. And the whole package (everything) is in pristine condition🙂

 

A nice to have card when I get rid of the 5090 Astral LC when it's time for 6090. Asus offer overpriced products and without soul. And come with cheapo gadgets as etc the ROG badgebutton for kids, the useless tiny GPU sag bracket and the fancy useless gold stamped ruler. This is not a collector item. The Astral is not a bad card (I really like it), but it will never  be a collector item. Sad Asus went greedy and only made a cheap copy cat of the 4090 Matrix. 

 

4090 HOF along with the few 4090 EVGA cards are what I would call keepers.

 

I agree with all the pack in items. I agree. The Astral is not a bad card at all, but they can get rid of all this pack in nonsense and knock 10-20% off the price.....

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Unless you are a garbage collector. ASUS always gives us things we don't care about for free, LOL.

Don't forget the stickers for the children, and the stupid things like cardboard coasters and key rings.

 

Literally opened up the Astral 5090, took the card out and the tentacle and left everything else in place and intact. I looked at the (still sealed) GPU bracket and tossed it back in too.

 

Same with the x870e crosshair. Pulled out the MB and that was it.

 

I'm sure down the road whoever buys this stuff from me will be real excited and appreciative that all the tchotckes and swag is sealed and brand new.....kinda like when I sold my 4090 Liquid and the mouse pad was still sealed.

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

I guess like you said, you're trying to not engage but you have purchased all the newest tech with an Apex on its way. 🙂 It's just the 5090 that gave you pause.

 

I hope you win the internal battle, but I suspect seeing all these results might break ya @Mr. Fox! 🤣

 

(while still benchmarking and collecting data on my Astral 5090) "Stay strong brother!" 🤑

The 9070 XT was my way of participating in the NVIDIA revenge. Exactly the same was true with the Ryzen builds... Intel revenge. It wasn't because I believe anything AMD sells is a great product. Doing it by myself would not matter, but I know I did not act alone. Doing my small part to bring the hurt for bad behavior. If enough continue to do it, death by 1,000 paper cuts. They will pay attention if enough people stick to their guns.

 

The Apex is because I hate 4-DIMM motherboards. They universally suck and 2-DIMM options are so rare. I do not believe the Apex is going to make the 9950X overclock any better. I think it may help with the mediocre Ryzen memory performance. I might be able to get a bit higher on the memory overclock. If all I wanted is something mainstream and cheap to run stock and be super-reliable, I already have that in the B850 Gigabutt Elite.

 

The 5090 gave me pause because the price is so over-the-top and utterly ludicrous, and so totally out of scope with the performance to price, that I just can't embrace the idea that it is a product actually worth purchasing at this point. The temptation to have one certainly exists, but the desire to pay $1,000+ extra for so little benefit is what makes it so difficult to consider. The massive increase in price over 4090 is not congruent with the relatively small increase in performance. I can see why everyone that bought one would want it, but I can't see the logic in what it costs. If you disable DLSS and look at bare metal performance, there is a lot of smoke and mirror nonsense in play to help prop up the idiotic price.

 

I know FE cards are not quite as insanely overpriced, but I really do despise them, and the 5090 FE more than any previous model. For one of the same reasons I have no interest in turdbooks, I have no desire to own a 5090 FE. I hold the product in contempt based on how it is designed. I doubt that would change even if I could buy one for $1500. I consider it a piece of trash based on design alone, just like a turdbook.

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

This.

 

I mean I did see a few 4090s go for $1300-1500 but $1000?

 

Maybe not now. People have seen Nvidia lies about 5090 performance for 5070 prices. But I'm sure you could grab one if you followed the market. There is still stupids out  there as you know.

 

 

This won't work so much anymore...

 

Yup, you can find good deals...

Not so good deal but cheaper than MSRP

 

 

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

4090 HOF along with the few 4090 EVGA cards are what I would call keepers.

 

I agree with all the pack in items. I agree. The Astral is not a bad card at all, but they can get rid of all this pack in nonsense and knock 10-20% off the price.....

Nvidia is solely responsible for just accelerating prices upward on their GPUs in one of the greediest fashions I've ever seen and on the upper end there really is no competition

 

What I see here home right now. Flood of 5070, 5070Ti, 5080 and 5090 for sale in the shop. I expect the high prices don't move inventory out from  the shop. Prices need to go down to speed up the sales. Even Asus have to make changes on prices. 

 

Pay more get less... And even worse with custom cards, LOL

 

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Literally opened up the Astral 5090, took the card out and the tentacle and left everything else in place and intact. I looked at the (still sealed) GPU bracket and tossed it back in too.

 

Same as me. But I use the 8pin to 12+4 pin cable from the PSU manufacturer. 

 

Btw. Only $11500 on the used market here home. Yup you see correct. Above $11K🧐

https://www.finn.no/recommerce/forsale/item/397253584?ci=6

 

[electrosoft]

6k Combo Astral 5090 "deal" has been available since yesterday and has not moved.....

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4769864