*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

On 6/19/2025 at 3:23 PM, Papusan said:

 

Intel don't need as many factory workers if they prefer buy the silicon from TSMC. Bring back the manufacturing to the US, LOL 

 

And you don't need as many factory workers if your products is so bad that consumers prefer something else/or skip gen upgrades due same reasons (I look at me myself). 

 

Intel layoff plans will see a 20% reduction in semiconductor factory workers

Intel has reportedly told its employees that the company plans to lay off between 15% and 20% of its employees from its chip manufacturing division, with more job cuts planned down the line.

 

 

 

 

Payback for making bad products. You need to lower the prices to be able to sell it to customers. 

 

Intel cuts the price of the Core Ultra 7 265K for the third time: better performance/price vs. Ryzen 7 9800X3D

Intel has once again reduced the price of its Core Ultra 7 265K and Core Ultra 7 265KF processors. 

 

46 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I’m seeing much larger gains than 22% in Starfield with 5090 running native.

 

Maybe something have improved for Blackwell or Nvidia have forgotten previous gen cards. Nvidia won't improve the gaming performance for older gen cards. And all work into Geforce drivers have been for 5000 series cards. 

 

[Mr. Fox]

45 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I’m seeing much larger gains than 22% in Starfield with 5090 running native. The RTX 4090 wasn’t smooth enough playing in native 4K because it was typically running 60-90’s.  I played the game enough where I tried to run native 4K, after getting in the zone, I always resorted to running DLSS Quality without FG with a 4090. 

If Starfield is a game that can use as many cores/threads that the CPU can provide as opposted the the typical game that chokes on too many your HEDT setup might be getting better than normal results for that reason.

[tps3443]

On 6/20/2025 at 1:56 PM, Mr. Fox said:

If Starfield is a game that can use as many cores/threads that the CPU can provide as opposted the the typical game that chokes on too many your HEDT setup might be getting better than normal results for that reason.

Take a look at any 4080 Super review and look at the 4090. The 4090 is “Barely faster on paper” however, the internet never mentions this. You’ll see 20-35% leads with the 4090 even smaller than that of a 4090 VS 5090. I think it’s like a +27% 4K gaming average that the 4090 beats the 4080 Super by. Who in their right mind would pay +600 dollars for that tiny upgrade? EVERYONE APPARENTLY lol. So, my point is, it’s definitely more than 27%. A LOT MORE. I upgraded from a 4080 Super to a 4090. It was a massive boost to gaming performance in 4K. Well, the 5090 lead over the 4090 is even larger than the 4090 lead over the 4080 Super.
 

So My point is, real world testing is the only way to go. 
 

4080 Super VS 4090 =27%

 

4090 VS 5090 FE= 35% (Astral= +42%)

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Who in their right mind would pay +600 dollars for that tiny upgrade? EVERYONE APPARENTLY lol.

We (enthusiasts) are definitely outnumbered by those that don't know, don't care, or exercise restraint when it comes to spending. While I think cost per FPS is valid and something to pay attention to, where we mislead ourselves or rationalize purchases is by thinking in terms of "I am paying for an upgrade" when we should think strictly in terms of "I am buying NVIDIA's current best GPU. Is their pricing in line with what the flagship product was last year, or am I getting screwed?" This should be the primary basis for the purchase decision rather than size of the uplift over last generation equivalent. The size of the performance uplift doesn't matter in the context of needing a new GPU. They need it to be priced based on what it is, not how much better it is or is not. If you think in terms of how much you are paying for an upgrade, an upgrade from what? Where one person measures is different than another. And, that could go the other direction and the price change would need to be smaller for those whose upgrade would be smaller. And, we know they wouldn't want to operate that way because it would be right.

[Talon]

 

Intel with it's own bLLC (big last level cache) coming with Nova Lake. Apparently it's 144Mb cache tile. Nova Lake shaping up to be a monster CPU for Intel. 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

Well, this was kind of interesting. As I wait for Alphacool to drop a GPU block for this 9070 XT (late July ETA) and ponder the absolutely ludicrous uncorrectable personal furnace hotspot temps that Radeon GPUs are world famous for, I notice something. With my tower on my left a couple of feet from my left arm and no side panel installed I notice an abnormal amount of air blowing on me with unusual velocity and volume when running Time Spy. The stream of air is blowing from a gap in the heatsink fins. Essentially a 1-inch square hole with no obstructing fins and directly over the middle fan. So, I grab a razor blade and carve myself a plug from a chunk of foam rubber. I wedge it in there to neatly plug the hole and now I have about 10-12°C lower hotspot temps running Tme Spy. I wonder how many (and for how long) Radeon GPUs have had suckier than necessary hotspot temps due to similar heatsink design flaws. There is not much they could do in terms of adding a few extra rows of fins because the gap in the fins is where heat pipes turn and change direction, but changing the design of the shrouid or even just designing a black rubber or plastic plug to keep the air from taking the path of least resistance and losing all of the static pressure through the gaping hole would make a world of difference. 
 

Put a cork in it, dumb-dumbs! 🤣

 

 

And, speaking of GPU blocks, my Alphacool block for the ASUS 3080 Turbo blower GPU (an even worse hot mess and noise-maker than the Radeon) is due for FedEx delivery tomorrow. I think I will use that while waiting for the 9070 XT block. It is amazing how much more heat and noise air cooled parts dump into your living space. I never noticed because I have water cooled almost everything for such a long time. Computer life is a whole lot less annoying with everything water cooled.

[Papusan]

On 6/19/2025 at 3:23 PM, Papusan said:

Intel don't need as many factory workers if they prefer buy the silicon from TSMC. Bring back the manufacturing to the US, LOL 

 

And you don't need as many factory workers if your products is so bad that consumers prefer something else/or skip gen upgrades due same reasons (I look at me myself). 

 

Intel layoff plans will see a 20% reduction in semiconductor factory workers

Intel has reportedly told its employees that the company plans to lay off between 15% and 20% of its employees from its chip manufacturing division, with more job cuts planned down the line.

 

On 6/19/2025 at 3:33 PM, Papusan said:

Maybe this will be the new jobs for former Intel and Microsoft employees?😀 Yup, bring back the well-paid jobs...

 

 

Intel have just determined fire 20% of their semiconductor factory workers staff. Instead Intel prefer buy silicon for their products from their competitor TSMC to cut their costs and increase margins. And now will outsource their marketing team. What will be left of Intel closer to the end of this decade? Intel ain't Intel anymore. Just a brand mark with the Intel stamp on. Consumers can just buy AMD. They all get the silicon from TSMC, so yeah... Intel's new CEO Mr. Lip is in full work modernizing cut Intel into small pieces. 

Intel to outsource marketing to Accenture and AI, resulting in more layoffs

The marketing division has been one of Intel's key strengths since the company began communicating directly with end users with the launch of its "Intel Inside" campaign in 1991. However, it looks like the company will drastically cut its human-driven marketing efforts going forward, as it plans to lay off many of its marketing employees, believing that Accenture's AI will do a better job connecting Intel with customers.

 

How exactly the usage of AI instead of real people can reinforce the brand hasn't been explained yet.

 

Former Intel employees new work tools... Designed in US and made by China🤔 I really hope the US Government won't infuse a huge tariff on much needed sewing machines. And if they do, it will be damn expensive bring back the jobs. 

[Talon]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

 

 

Intel have just determined fire 20% of their semiconductor factory workers staff. Instead Intel prefer buy silicon for their products from their competitor TSMC to cut their costs and increase margins. And now will outsource their marketing team. What will be left of Intel closer to the end of this decade? Intel ain't Intel anymore. Just a brand mark with the Intel stamp on. Consumers can just buy AMD. They all get the silicon from TSMC, so yeah... Intel's new CEO Mr. Lip is in full work modernizing cut Intel into small pieces. 

Intel to outsource marketing to Accenture and AI, resulting in more layoffs

The marketing division has been one of Intel's key strengths since the company began communicating directly with end users with the launch of its "Intel Inside" campaign in 1991. However, it looks like the company will drastically cut its human-driven marketing efforts going forward, as it plans to lay off many of its marketing employees, believing that Accenture's AI will do a better job connecting Intel with customers.

 

How exactly the usage of AI instead of real people can reinforce the brand hasn't been explained yet.

 

Former Intel employees new work tools... Designed in US and made by China🤔 I really hope the US Government won't infuse a huge tariff on much needed sewing machines.

TSMC is heavily subsidized by the Taiwanese government and now apparently the US govt. too. 
 

AMD got rid of their fabs. I think it’s long overdue for Intel to sell theirs off too. All of Intels losses are because of the costs and investment into those fabs in recent years. 

It’s not Intels job to ensure we have home field fabs. If the US government doesn’t care, then Intel needs to dump them. We will all be buying TSMC or maybe Samsung chips in the future. The prices are going to sky rocket. And it’s nobodies fault but our own. 

 

Also when is the last time Intels marketing was good? I feel sorry for those that are losing their jobs, but when a company is in the red, nobody is safe.

[Mr. Fox]

It is very common for gigantic companies to be mismanaged from the top down. We see it frequently in the largest companies. Airlines are one of the most frequent examples. I just hope we don't end up having a bunch of libtards playing the "too big to fail" card like they did with auto manufacturer bailouts. If a company can't survive without government subsidies it needs to die. And, we need to help it die, not prolong the agony. Keeping a mismanaged organization on life support and allowing it to continue losing money only to keep jobs intact is an idiotic plan. Companies that are mismanaged to that degree probably have a mismanaged workforce as well. Same applies to worthless government agencies with employees that do nothing (often incompetent and unqualified) and serve no useful purpose in the grand scheme of things. Kill it. Nobody is "owed" anything. Not my problem. Stop wasting my tax dollars. Let me keep my money and use it for something that is actually important and beneficial to me. DOGE really shook things up in a good way and I hope it keeps going. Intel needs to make it on their own or die. I hope the government does not lift a finger for any company like Intel, AMD, NVIDIA, Micro$lop, crApple... now or ever.

 

My mom, God rest her soul,  was half Native American (Choctaw) and upon reaching the age of 2, she and her brothers were tossed into the Devil's River (South Texas) and told to "swim or die" by my grandfather. They swam. No instructions required. No assistance provided. It scared the crap out of them, but the fight to survive was greater than the challenge. My grandfather knew that and my mom and uncles never forgot it. My grandpa would go to prison for that today.

[tps3443]

The EKWB 5090FE block has taken a long time to get. It has finally appeared in the United States in TN. 
 

So I’m hoping maybe Monday I’ll have my block. It feels like it’s been traveling all over the world lol. 
 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

The EKWB 5090FE block has taken a long time to get. It has finally appeared in the United States in TN. 
 

So I’m hoping maybe Monday I’ll have my block. It feels like it’s been traveling all over the world lol. 
 

I just today received the 3080 Turbo block that I ordered May 16. The 9950X3D trash specimen was shipped back to Amazon on 6/13. It was going to Las Vegas. It has been sitting at the UPS destination hub since 6/16 and hasn't moved since. UPS shipments to places like Las Vegas, Los Angeles and San Diego from Phoenix are usually delivered the day after UPS receives them. When I had to send back the broken AORUS Master motherboard to Central Computers (NorCal) I sent it next day air. It took 6 business days for delivery. I think DHL has stopped accepting shipments to Canada due to some first-world Canadian crap taking place. So there seems to be some sort of turmoil happening with shipping services. Is it a full moon?

[Mr. Fox]

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I just today received the 3080 Turbo block that I ordered May 16.

Massive improvement. Before it was hitting 100°C with the blower on it even after  a repaste and new pads. Well worth the $80~ paid for the brand new GPU block. Now I need one for the 9070 XT.

Fits nice and looks good.

[electrosoft]

Every single model except the Windforce (cheapest one Gigabyte makes at $2639) is in stock along with a crapton of open box versions of numerous 5090s. Aorus Master Open box has now dropped to $2589.99 open box at Newegg from $2699.99.which is almost back to launch MSRP new of $2499.99...

 

Windforce and Gaming open box are both $2549.99.

 

MC is flush with 5090s.....

 

BB basically has never gone out of stock with the Aorus white or black Master 5090....

 

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Numerous 9070xt's are in stock and several are now "on sale" with decent price reductions

 

Open box Taichi's went from $849 to $749

 

$919 XFX 9070xt on BB has basically been in stock for weeks now because that price is stupid.

 

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For quite awhile Newegg was holding the line and having several 7900xtx's priced at $999 open box / refurb but now they're all coming down in price to sub $800 including Taichi's.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Every single model except the Windforce (cheapest one Gigabyte makes at $2639) is in stock along with a crapton of open box versions of numerous 5090s. Aorus Master Open box has now dropped to $2589.99 open box at Newegg from $2699.99.which is almost back to launch MSRP new of $2499.99...

 

Windforce and Gaming open box are both $2549.99.

 

MC is flush with 5090s.....

 

BB basically has never gone out of stock with the Aorus white or black Master 5090....

 

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Numerous 9070xt's are in stock and several are now "on sale" with decent price reductions

 

Open box Taichi's went from $849 to $749

 

$919 XFX 9070xt on BB has basically been in stock for weeks now because that price is stupid.

 

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For quite awhile Newegg was holding the line and having several 7900xtx's priced at $999 open box / refurb but now they're all coming down in price to sub $800 including Taichi's.

 

Now it's a good time for Nvidia shift more of the xx90 production capacity over on server chips and 5090DD for China. If 5080Ti/Super is on the paper I expect Nvidia already make them in a rapid speed by now. They have probably stopped/reduced production of xx90 cards. Exactly as planned.

 

Regarding the AMD cards... Could be that nvidia sell more mid tier cards and AMD have lost the battle. Remember the revenue from gaming section increased heavly for nvidia. This while everyone complained about that there was no stock of new gen cards after launch and weeks afterwards. They probably sell more cards than you think/being reported. AMD and their partners went all too greedy. None should pay Nvidia prices for AMD cards.

[Mr. Fox]

8 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Every single model except the Windforce (cheapest one Gigabyte makes at $2639) is in stock along with a crapton of open box versions of numerous 5090s. Aorus Master Open box has now dropped to $2589.99 open box at Newegg from $2699.99.which is almost back to launch MSRP new of $2499.99...

 

Windforce and Gaming open box are both $2549.99.

 

MC is flush with 5090s.....

 

BB basically has never gone out of stock with the Aorus white or black Master 5090....

 

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Numerous 9070xt's are in stock and several are now "on sale" with decent price reductions

 

Open box Taichi's went from $849 to $749

 

$919 XFX 9070xt on BB has basically been in stock for weeks now because that price is stupid.

 

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For quite awhile Newegg was holding the line and having several 7900xtx's priced at $999 open box / refurb but now they're all coming down in price to sub $800 including Taichi's.

Now we need people to just hold the line, be a big boy/girl and not jump the gun and buy anything. Let all of the GPUs continue to rot on shelves until they start freaking out about products not moving and lower the prices further. We need to make them worried about where their next meal is coming from and how they're going to pay for it. If they cannot or will not produce and sell reasonably priced products then they just need to go out of business. No more getting away with screwing us. Screw them. You know what they say about payback, right? Let's make it hurt real bad so that they don't forget anytime soon. It would be hilarious if by some miracle nobody sold a single GPU anywhere for the next 6 months. We'd have some nice Christmas sales. If we punch hard enough and long enough and make it hurt bad enough we will see prices from pre-COVID/crypto scalping days return. We have all of the power. Everyone saying no to getting screwed with overpriced GPU trash will either wake them up or kill them, and either one is better than how things are now.

  

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

None should pay Nvidia prices for AMD video cards

I fixed that for you. None should pay NVIDIA prices for NVIDIA. None of them are actually a good value. 9070 XT is a good value if you can buy it for the MSRP and a poor value when you can't. You normally cannot. Everything NVIDIA is a truly horrible value and just not worth it because it is never sold for an acceptable and equitable price. The premeditated plan from the very start was to screw everyone that purchased  an NVIDIA GPU. It has nothing to do with supply/demand or market. It was planned and orchestrated and the handiwork of wicked people. To a degree, maybe a large one, AMD prices are a reaction to NVIDIA extortion pricing. Nobody in their right mind wants to pay NVIDIA prices for a GPU.

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I fixed that for you. None should pay NVIDIA prices for NVIDIA. None of them are actually a good value. 9070 XT is a good value if you can buy it for the MSRP and a poor value when you can't. You normally cannot. Everything NVIDIA is a truly horrible value and just not worth it because it is never sold for an acceptable and equitable price. The premeditated plan from the very start was to screw everyone that purchased  an NVIDIA GPU. It has nothing to do with supply/demand or market. It was planned and orchestrated and the handiwork of wicked people. To a degree, maybe a large one, AMD prices are a reaction to NVIDIA extortion pricing. Nobody in their right mind wants to pay NVIDIA prices for a GPU.

 

Yep, at $600 USD. Or $660-690 for the best custom flagship with amazing cooling and all the bells. That's close to xx80 class MSRP pricing from nvidia's older 3000 series. And 9070 XT is in relality xx70(Ti) class card. Aka one tier down but now one tier up in price. 

 

AMD don't want put own correct prices. They let the market leader determine what their products should cost.

 

The prices in the crazy days... The shameless Cash Grab

https://www.techspot.com/review/2395-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3800-12gb/ 

The original RTX 3080 (10GB) is listed for as little as $1,400 in the US, but they're mostly out of stock at that price, while the 3080 Ti is closer to $2,000 and then new 12GB version is selling somewhere in the middle. 

 

 

I could have sold my 4090 HOF today if I wanted. The buyer in the used market here home is willing to pay 25.000 Nok or $2474 for a card in pristine/mint condition. But I rather have it myself. Have both the org XOC firmware and the Galax XOC tool. So I have the full package. The last Galax flagship meant for the global market. And the 4090 will serve me well together with the 5090 Astral forwards. 

 

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