*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Meaker]

15 hours ago, electrosoft said:

MSI 5090 installed. Still a chonker, but a $2k chonker vs a super $3.6k chonker.

 

MSI 5080 Shadow 3x OC vs MSI 5090 Ventus 3x OC....

 

 

 

Installed:

 

 

No coil whine again. I'm now convinced the Tripp-Lite surge protector + filter along with the EVGA 1600w P2 is helping. The odds of scoring what is quickly approaching 15 cards in a row on this setup tested not having coil whine or anything of note starting with the KPE 3090ti would have to be an incredible string of luck.

 

If I want to close the case back up, I'm going to have to plug back in the lower 3x120mm and install 140mm fans back on the top to keep the airflow going properly.

 

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The new zone in WoW for the Xpac that dropped 10 days ago is brutal. It hits the 5090 harder than any other zone I've seen so far and immediately caps it to 100% utilization zoning in and getting about 130fps pure stock

 

For reference the 5080 was getting about 81fps in the same spot overclocked (+300 / +3000)

 

This is 4k Ultra 10 RT High (which is basically max everything)

 

 

 

Did you plug the 5090 into your computer or did you plug the computer into the GPU? It's funny to think back to my old voodoo 3 3000 and then see this.

 

Also cleaning up the input wave form or even just changing it a bit can impact the harmonics you will get through the different conversions in the system so that's very believable.

[Mr. Fox]

  

9 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Asus being A$$us is still stuck on $3359.99 and $3719.99 for their Astral Air and AIO models......

They will always be A$$zeus, the god of a$$ 😆 and the wearers of golden a$$hat$

 

I am to the point of not liking any of the options in the tech space... everything blows now...

 

• Intel walked away from a position of untouchable dominance and has lost their way
• AMD still sucks but is now the lesser of two evils and the shinier object on account of the above
• NVIDIA is the king of tech slime that will miss no opportunity to screw those that made them famous
• Overclocking is a dying sport because the crap they are all producing is grossly overpriced, misrepresented, crippled and poorly engineered trash with inconsistent/non-existent QC
• Micro$lop hasn't done anything right since Windows 7 and modern Windoze OSes are merely digital bait... they don't care about piracy and they promote the theft of their OS because it helps them steal our infinitely more valuable personal data to use as they see fit... as prophesied in their unread EULA docs
• crApple has always been trash... frequently loved by elitist sheeple with low tech IQ and no awareness that their own poop smells bad... their OSes steal data as well, but they expect their users to pay for the data theft conduit rather than facilitating the taking of it for free like Micro$lop 
• Google is the king of surveillance and the world's foremost resource for the proliferation of disinformation and agenda-driven propaganda, battling Meta for the same crown
• All of them manage personal information and data they steal in a haphazard manner placing us all at risk
• All of them are control freaks with no concept of what stewardship, honesty, truth or goodness looks like
• They all seek to be wealthy, worshiped and revered as gods of AI perched upon haughty thrones of filth

It's kind of sad that we should all be hoping and praying for the collapse and destruction of an industry that has been an object of intense enthusiasm and passion for decades for some of us.

 

Still undecided whether the 5090 is worth keeping from a value and intelligence perspective, but the clock is ticking. The comparatively mediocre 9070 XT makes way more sense despite its unmistakable inferiority.

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Looks like there is a good chance I may have a buyer on OC.net for the 9070 XT. If that is the case, then the 5090 has made its home in my system whether I like it or not, LOL. (I do like it, just don't like what it cost. Fantastic overpriced piece of kit.)

 

Edit: Sold...

[electrosoft]

Read through and let me know if you think I should even bother picking up the MSI Vanguard I have on hold at Microcenter atm for $40 more than the Ventus.....

 

So status of the MSI 5090 Ventus.....

 

First, my local MC  also put out a Vanguard 5090 that was on the back shelf, same situation marked as clearance for $2074.99 = $2101.83 out the door after MCC 5% off + tax. I snagged that one to hold for pickup as I can get that one for $40 more when all is said and done than the Ventus, but my dilemma is this Ventus is rocking my socks well enough atm and making it hard for me to ever pay more for an upper end model ever again.

 

Another pet peeve, why do they put a proper, full wide body three slot bracket on the Ventus but not their other models including the Suprim and Vanguard? This thing is locked in right now feeling like EVGA's 3090ti (still put a GPU sag stand under it though). Zero RGB is nice and I like the black and silver look of the GPU plus zero RGB electrical budget.

 

Quieter than the Astral both fans and coil whine and that's saying something on the coil whine front as the Astral I had to stand next to my case, panel off and then I could hear something >200fps. This quiet storm I had over 300fps and even in Timespy it shrugged it off. I had to put my ear almost on the card to hear basically anything.

 

The quietest card so far I've had is the 5080FE but this one is a close second followed by the Shadow 5080 followed I think with the Liquid 4090 then Astral. All top 5 were crazy quiet.

 

Cost Rant:

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So let me pre-empt this that after flying that close to the sun paying $3600 for an Astral 5090 that my goal for the cheapest 5090 was basically no coil whine and doesn't overheat. I don't care how or where it clocks. That was it. A bad 5090 is still a 5090 and using air cooling only your options are limited anyhow. Just be at or under $2k and don't be super noisy and we're good. If I overclock and you can't break 3ghz it is what it is.....

 

With that being said, and speaking of Asus, it just irritates me a bit that this $2k Ventus is performing on par or better than my former $3600 Astral. There needs to be some proper binning done at some point to truly make paying 40%+ more worth it. If I had picked this card up and still had the Astral, I would have been foaming at the mouth. 

 

Of course if you're going to block/chill/LN2 or something past standard cooling, this doesn't apply to you as that is outside of my use case.

 

I'm sure some of this is driver differentials at play.

 

 

Ventus vs Astral (Ventus on stock MSI vBIOS / Astral on stock vBIOS):

 

1.090 vs 1.090 stock voltage boost

1.110 vs 1.110 +100 voltage boost

2947mhz vs 2977mhz stock clocks max voltage boost lock

3382 vs 3465 cap idle

 

 

Deus Ex and World of Warcraft Oribos benchmark comparison:

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World of Warcraft Oribos:

 

Ventus vs Astral

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192fps  vs 186fps stock

212fps  vs 210fps +375/+350 core /  +3000 mem  / +100 voltage

 

Deus Ex:

 

Astral vs Ventus

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Stock:

 

OC (+3000 / +350 / +100 voltage):

 

PX1 Boost Lock:

 

[electrosoft]

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

Still undecided whether the 5090 is worth keeping from a value and intelligence perspective, but the clock is ticking. The comparatively mediocre 9070 XT makes way more sense despite its unmistakable inferiority.

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Looks like there is a good chance I may have a buyer on OC.net for the 9070 XT. If that is the case, then the 5090 has made its home in my system whether I like it or not, LOL. (I do like it, just don't like what it cost. Fantastic overpriced piece of kit.)

 

Edit: Sold...

 

Congrats! And I'm glad SOMEONE came to their senses and picked it up and now the 5090 club is complete....I think? If this was a few months ago I would have been all over it but now I have to most likely let my 9070xt go along with a few other toys to cover the (re)purchase of a 5090 as I'll probably pop the Shadow 5080 into the wife's system to replace her 9070xt especially in the face of the new WoW patch and Tazevesh is definitely hard hitting and she likes (therefore I like) her staying at 1440p Ultra 10 RT on.

 

11 hours ago, tps3443 said:

That better not be a Janky yellow dongle I see😂. Be very careful! 

 

LOL! It is! 

 

12 hours ago, ajc9988 said:

BTW, I just helped my friend build a new PC, 9800x3d, MSI pro x870e-p, 32gb g.skill 6000 (the bundle from microcenter), and a 9070 XT. Lianli 207 case and arctic freezer 3 360 AIO. 

Is it better to do multiplier or try optimizing with the curve optimizer + curve shaper + bclk OC? What are good voltages for SOC, etc.?

 

Curve optimizer. You get the best of both worlds. Multi really stops you from achieving those killer boosts in games and variable core workloads.  bclk to take it past 5450 into 5.6ghz+ land.

 

10 hours ago, Meaker said:

Did you plug the 5090 into your computer or did you plug the computer into the GPU? It's funny to think back to my old voodoo 3 3000 and then see this.

 

Also cleaning up the input wave form or even just changing it a bit can impact the harmonics you will get through the different conversions in the system so that's very believable.

 

These 5090s are just ginormous.

 

Yeah, the real wake up call was when I was testing my wife's old 3080 before after a repaste and new pads and it was so quiet in my rig. I slapped it back in her DG-77 with out the tripp-lite/filter and Focus 1000w, it was making much more noise when running the same benchmarks. Same happened with the MSI Gaming 7900xtx too.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

40 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Read through and let me know if you think I should even bother picking up the MSI Vanguard I have on hold at Microcenter atm for $40 more than the Ventus.....

I think for your intended use the $40 premium would be $40 flushed down the toilet. The only logic one might apply is the ease of second-hand resale of the $40 "better" GPU might be worth the extra $40 but even that would be a big stretch. It is probably a mistake to even think along those lines in the current culture.

 

As I just saw from the sale of my 9070 XT Elite, the average gamer isn't going to care about which one is better. The only thing most of them care about is getting it cheap. Even if the quality and performance is better, it doesn't matter. They might pay more only on the basis that it is tacky and garish looking with lots of rainbow puke and anime crap plastered on it. (Like the Yeston Sakura 9070 XT for sale in the thread next to the one where I sold the Elite. The one with the scented module to make your gaming session more fragrant, LOL.) 

 

So, I would say if the GPU that costs $40 less is doing everything well and making you happy just save the $40 and don't try to overthink it. But, if you want it, then spend the $40. That's not even enough to pay for a nice dinner for you and the wife. Don't expect anything more from it.

 

The Astral is a huge waste and a joke that isn't worthy of mention for any normal intent or purpose. The only benefit most Astral owners will ever realize is looking like a fool with money and the misguided belief they are special because they paid a ludicrous amount more for an overbuilt GPU that will yield them nothing tangible in their world of gaming. It might make sense for someone that plans to strip it down and run LN2 with a 1.6kW vBIOS and voltage mods. Beyond that it is an ego-soothing nothing burger. With just one woefully inadequate 12VHPWR socket. Or, if you prefer, one woefully inadequate "12V-2x6" placebo socket.

[Papusan]

Hi. The old man enjoy the sun. 32-34C in the days. But for now I can handle it😁

 

This is not nice. Intel struggle selling processors for gamers. And they still don't want to support slightly older processors from 12-13th gen. Nothing different than the greedy company Nvidia. Their focus is on current and next gen processors. 

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-to-keep-application-optimization-apo-alive-but-focus-shifts-to-current-and-next-gen-cpus

[Mr. Fox]

55 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Hi. The old man enjoy the sun. 32-34C in the days. But for now I can handle it😁

 

This is not nice. Intel struggle selling processors for gamers. And they still don't want to support slightly older processors from 12-13th gen. Nothing different than the greedy company Nvidia. Their focus is on current and next gen processors. 

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-to-keep-application-optimization-apo-alive-but-focus-shifts-to-current-and-next-gen-cpus

Another symptom of what I said here. It's harder than ever to find anything nice to say. Almost everything sucks.

[ajc9988]

10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Curve optimizer. You get the best of both worlds. Multi really stops you from achieving those killer boosts in games and variable core workloads.  bclk to take it past 5450 into 5.6ghz+ land.

Thank you. I figured doing curve optimizer with the per core offset, followed by the curve shaper for different loads, then thinking of getting SOC stabilize the infinity fabric clocks (try to get 2200 fully stable, 2166 is without manually touching the voltage), all before doing ram overclocking. But it is his PC, not mine, so I am trying to step him through the overclock, test, validate process. He's excited for it. (might create my own profile and submit some benches, but yeah).

Has anyone seen Prema recently?

I have a locked down cheap Strix Halo mini pc ($1,700 for a 128GB variant; considering an NVMe to oculink to x4 PCIe for external graphics card). The development eco sucks, with Linux being a bit to set up to use the NPU, while Ryzen AI 1.5.1 is on Python 3.10, but the ROCm 7.0 preview is on 3.12, creating complications on Windows ATM for development, and issues (which can be overcome) on using the NPU (but you can develop for it) on Linux. 

But I can confirm it can run the new 120B parameter openAI model. Around 30T/s on windows. 

But I want more options in the BIOS, so wanted to talk more. Also may 3D print a SFF case for it and throw a better cooler on it.

[Papusan]

15 hours ago, electrosoft said:

LOL! It is! 

 

I Would be sure i have spare cards if using that defective yelowish dongle from MSI. Put it back in the package while you can😁 Even CM's custom cables looks like an okish option compared to that failure from MSI.

 

@ajc9988 @Prema Looked into the thread a week ago. Tagged now, so.. Well see.

 

Yup, Asus is greedy bastards. If they can, they pump up the prices to max. And even further 

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-rog-astral-rtx-5080-dhahab-edition-appears-in-dubai-at-2589

 

 

[Meaker]

I take it we still have no curve on the 9070 series to play with?

[electrosoft]

23 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think for your intended use the $40 premium would be $40 flushed down the toilet. The only logic one might apply is the ease of second-hand resale of the $40 "better" GPU might be worth the extra $40 but even that would be a big stretch. It is probably a mistake to even think along those lines in the current culture.

 

As I just saw from the sale of my 9070 XT Elite, the average gamer isn't going to care about which one is better. The only thing most of them care about is getting it cheap. Even if the quality and performance is better, it doesn't matter. They might pay more only on the basis that it is tacky and garish looking with lots of rainbow puke and anime crap plastered on it. (Like the Yeston Sakura 9070 XT for sale in the thread next to the one where I sold the Elite. The one with the scented module to make your gaming session more fragrant, LOL.) 

 

So, I would say if the GPU that costs $40 less is doing everything well and making you happy just save the $40 and don't try to overthink it. But, if you want it, then spend the $40. That's not even enough to pay for a nice dinner for you and the wife. Don't expect anything more from it.

 

The Astral is a huge waste and a joke that isn't worthy of mention for any normal intent or purpose. The only benefit most Astral owners will ever realize is looking like a fool with money and the misguided belief they are special because they paid a ludicrous amount more for an overbuilt GPU that will yield them nothing tangible in their world of gaming. It might make sense for someone that plans to strip it down and run LN2 with a 1.6kW vBIOS and voltage mods. Beyond that it is an ego-soothing nothing burger. With just one woefully inadequate 12VHPWR socket. Or, if you prefer, one woefully inadequate "12V-2x6" placebo socket.

 

Yeah I'm noticing this one isn't heating up my room as badly as the Astral too. It runs MUCH quieter when gaming. It is the quietest card I've tested since the Liquid 4090. I still have the Vanguard held till closing Monday but I'm not seeing a scenario where it is better but it's an itch I'm probably gonna have to scratch at this price. "Worst" case scenario I hold onto the Ventus that has already checked all my boxes.

 

Why? Because the Vanguard is basically a Suprim. Same PCB and everything except a cooler with one less heat pipe and touch more "gamer" lighting and design. I might as well scoop it up at that price Vanguard ($1971 + tax = $2101.58)  vs Ventus ($1932.29 + tax = $2060.30)  and at least give it a whirl. 

 

Only outlier "issue" is the ~1hr ride to and back from the store. My plan is to scoop this one up, come back, test it with the same standards (30 day return policy on both) then when I return either of them settle in for 2-3hrs of shopping/browsing because the sheer amount of tech and more importantly the vast amount of open box / clearance items was staggering. There was zero chance I could do the store justice and escape intact with they wife on her birthday.

 

5090 prices overall are definitely heading in the right direction though.....I'll stick with my original assessment and say end of August they will be at their lowest and may dock there for the future or creep back up especially as we head into the holiday quarter. I'm hesitantly recommending if you want a 5090 get one by early to mid September-ish but we'll see....

 

For reference, here are MSI launch pricing (via reddit):

 

MSI Ventus 3x OC Plus (Black)- $2199.99

MSI GAMING TRIO OC (Black) - $2349.99

MSI VANGUARD SOC (Black) - $2379.99

MSI SUPRIM SOC (Black) - $2399.99

MSI SUPRIM LIQUID SOC (Black) - $2499.99

 

Current pricing:

 

MSI Ventus 3x OC Plus (Black)- $2299.99 (+100 over MSRP)

MSI GAMING TRIO OC (Black) - $2399.99 (+50 over MSRP)

MSI VANGUARD SOC (Black) - $2499.99 (+120 over MSRP)

MSI SUPRIM SOC (Black) - $2699.99 (+300 over MSRP)

MSI SUPRIM LIQUID SOC (Black) - $3279.99 (+780 over MSRP)

 

14 hours ago, Papusan said:

Hi. The old man enjoy the sun. 32-34C in the days. But for now I can handle it😁

 

This is not nice. Intel struggle selling processors for gamers. And they still don't want to support slightly older processors from 12-13th gen. Nothing different than the greedy company Nvidia. Their focus is on current and next gen processors. 

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-to-keep-application-optimization-apo-alive-but-focus-shifts-to-current-and-next-gen-cpus

 

Soak it up old man! 😁

 

Shady, but seeing as I have a 14900KS and 275HX in house as my only Intel CPUs now.......speaking of which Ill need to install it back on both my Intel systems for WoW and test it out especially my laptop to see if it can help close the gap in WoW to make the 5070ti proportionally slower to the 4090 in the Raider on the same level as Timespy.

 

12 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

I Would be sure i have spare cards if using that defective yelowish dongle from MSI. Put it back in the package while you can😁 Even CM's custom cables looks like an okish option compared to that failure from MSI.

 

@ajc9988 @Prema Looked into the thread a week ago. Tagged now, so.. Well see.

 

Yup, Asus is greedy bastards. If they can, they pump up the prices to max. And even further 

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-rog-astral-rtx-5080-dhahab-edition-appears-in-dubai-at-2589

 

 

 

I'm going to ride the MSI connector as intended!

 

(DANGER ELECTROSOFT!) 🤣

 

Microcenter is getting the Dhahab OC 5080 edition too.....

 

All for the low low price of $1900 aka just about what I paid for my Ventus and incoming Vanguard 5090s.....

 

Let me know how many to put on order for ya @Papusan! 🤑

 

12 hours ago, ajc9988 said:

Thank you. I figured doing curve optimizer with the per core offset, followed by the curve shaper for different loads, then thinking of getting SOC stabilize the infinity fabric clocks (try to get 2200 fully stable, 2166 is without manually touching the voltage), all before doing ram overclocking. But it is his PC, not mine, so I am trying to step him through the overclock, test, validate process. He's excited for it. (might create my own profile and submit some benches, but yeah).

Has anyone seen Prema recently?

I have a locked down cheap Strix Halo mini pc ($1,700 for a 128GB variant; considering an NVMe to oculink to x4 PCIe for external graphics card). The development eco sucks, with Linux being a bit to set up to use the NPU, while Ryzen AI 1.5.1 is on Python 3.10, but the ROCm 7.0 preview is on 3.12, creating complications on Windows ATM for development, and issues (which can be overcome) on using the NPU (but you can develop for it) on Linux. 

But I can confirm it can run the new 120B parameter openAI model. Around 30T/s on windows. 

But I want more options in the BIOS, so wanted to talk more. Also may 3D print a SFF case for it and throw a better cooler on it.

 

Same, 2166 without touching anything but I had to bump up the juice a little to stabilize 2200. I run it at 2200/6400 with tuned TG 8200 2x24GB sticks.

 

@Prema checks in from time to time to give a hearty hello!

 

I'll be interested to take a look at the Strix Halo mini PC and some benchmarks and results!

 

6 hours ago, Meaker said:

I take it we still have no curve on the 9070 series to play with?

 

Not as far as I've seen. Same Adrenalin (or to a degree MSI AB usage now with the newest version) methodology atm. 😞

 

 

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

All for the low low price of $1900 aka just about what I paid for my Ventus and incoming Vanguard 5090s.....

 

Let me know how many to put on order for ya @Papusan! 🤑

 

Hmmm. Equal disgusting as the Yelowish dongle. Maybe pair the Yelowish golden dongle from MSI with the Asus Gold edition cards?🤢 What a combo. Worst from both worlds.

[win32asmguy]

On 8/6/2025 at 4:11 PM, electrosoft said:

I know intel is struggling, but their GPU department and in certain markets the Ultra CPUs are also bringing the heat.

 

Just that quick, Intel caught up to AMD in the handheld market with the Ultra 7 258V trading blows with the Z2 Extreme and overall matching it....

 

Best Buy got the Intel Claw 8 in stock so I ordered one to try it out. The last handheld gaming console I owned was a Sega Nomad / Gameboy Pocket (can't remember which came out first) so this will be an interesting experience.

 

My hope is that with the ConsolePort addon I can run WoW for non-raiding things, and Steam / Emulation along with maybe a few offline movies my four year old likes.

[Mr. Fox]

Did I miss something? What's up with the yellow dongle scare? Is it something other than the color that is inherently wrong or defective about the connectors that are yellow? Or is it MSI producing garbage and their yellow dongles are just coincidental to poor product quality based on brand incompetence?

 

 

[Meaker]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Did I miss something? What's up with the yellow dongle scare? Is it something other than the color that is inherently wrong or defective about the connectors that are yellow? Or is it MSI producing garbage and their yellow dongles are just coincidental to poor product quality based on brand incompetence?

 

 

With the cables I think you can go 1 of 2 ways:

 

1: Build in a large enough safety margin in the cable (Eg a 450-600W card running with the two plugs as per that adaptor).

 

Or

 

2: Run the cable closer to spec but monitor and control the power balance with safeties.

They designed the spec to run under 2 with some overhead on the 30xx series, which is fine. Then they just got lazy and or cheap and or hung up on a small as PCB as possible for flow through/aesthetics (or a combo of all 3).

 

If they picked 1 of these then there would be only the classic numbers of burn outs there have always been with the 8 pins.