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[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

Opinions!?

 

Zotac rtx 5080 solid oc w/ Alphacool water block....or

Msi suprim rtx 5080

Or none of the above?

 

Or hang on to my 7900xtx till next gen?

 

@Mr. Fox Did you have/test the Asrock X870E Taichi mb? I have a brand new one and was considering swapping it out with the Gigabyte Aorus elite x870E thats currently in my rig. What were your impressions of it?

 

For the GPU, I would say select whichever one costs less, especially if you are putting a waterblock on it. My Zotac 5090 Solid OC was a good buy compared to the other more expensive options that deliver nothing for the extra money. It is an excellent GPU. The air cooler on it was fantastic (unlike some of the other affordable brands/models). It ran freakishly cool for an air cooled GPU.

 

The only 50-series GPU I would recommend avoiding like a plague is an FE model. For overclocking potential probably the best GPU silicon quality most consistently will be an AORUS Master, but the cost vs benefit isn't justified. I love overclocking more than anything else I do with a computer, and really the only reason computers matter to me at this point, but paying a WHOLE LOT more for a very small gain in GPU benchmark scores is just not a very intelligent decision.

 

I have owned the following X870E motherboards and I list them in my order of preference:

1. X870E AORUS Master (best overall - only flaw is no way to disable WiFi/BT in BIOS)
2. X870E-E Strix (replacement for second AORUS Master that arrived with shipping damage)
3. X870E Apex (returned first for refund, second was junk, I am using #3)
4. X870E Carbon (returned for refund - good mobo, but no async BCLK and weird glitches)
5. X879E Taichi (my least favorite out of all AMD motherboards I have owned - hated it)

 

I had a X870E Taichi and hated it. The PCIe bifurcation was garbage and I did not care for the firmware. I have only owned two ASRock motherboards and did not like either one.

 

I had a B850 AORUS Elite that I used in a build for my granddaughters and it was excellent. The only criticism I had was the PCIe slots below the GPU slots were X1, but using them did not drop the GPU to X8. This is unavoidable with anything below X870E dual chipset due to a lack of PCIe lanes with an non "E" AMD dual chipset motherboard. PCIe X1 dramatically reduces NVMe speed... makes NVMe speed like SATA SSD. If you plan to insert anything in other PCIe slots in addition to your GPU in an AMD motherboard the "E" version is an absolute must have.

 

The only complaint I have with the Gigabyte boards is no way to disable WiFi/BT in the BIOS. Super stupid flaw they could fix effortlessly if they cared. If you use WiFi/BT and use Windoze 11 as your main OS (I do not do either one) this truly is a non-issue.

 

It really pissed me off that Gigabyte did not provide that option in the BIOS. I asked twice and both times they said no... "you're the only person complaining about it" (essentially we don't care what you want and you are not worth the minimal effort needed to make a BIOS as good as our competitors). Gigabyte is the only brand I know of that omits this essential basic BIOS option.

 

The Strix was an accidental blessing. I purchased a second AORUS Master from Central Computers on sale for less than what I paid for the first. The big and heavy NVMe heatsink under the GPU was not latched. Apparently shipped from the factory without being latched. It flopped around inside of the box and broke several things and scratched up things that did not get broken.  I asked them to open the box and inspect before shipping a replacement. They had quite a few in stock and ended up opening all of the boxes and all were damaged in the same way. They offered the Strix for no difference in price. I accepted. 

 

The Strix is better than the AORUS Master in terms of firmware. A close second only because I could not install both of my Sabrent quad NVMe X4 cards like I could in the Master. It only has one extra PCIe slot. The AORUS had two, both usable at X4 without dropping the GPU from X16 to X8. The AORUS Master allowed me to install 10 NVMe SSDs and 4 SATA drives while maintaining the GPU at X16.

 

The Apex is a great motherboard with a glaring engineering defect entirely due to an idiotic PCIe slot arrangement. I can only use the X4 PCIe slot above the GPU. The Sabrent quad NVMe card's heat sink touches the GPU backplate. The Strix performs as well as the Apex in terms of the CPU overclocking. It has asych BCLK and I can use the Sabrent card in the bottom slots without the GPU dropping to X8 like it does in the Apex.

 

If I knew everything I know now before buying my first I probably would have purchased two X870E-E Strix Gaming WiFI. If I were going to recommend one, it would be the X870E-E Strix as the best all-around X870E motherboard with the fewest flaws and compromises.

 

Hope this helps. 

 

https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-strix-x870e-e-gaming-wifi-atx-motherboard-amd-x870e-am5/p/N82E16813119682

[Raiderman]

31 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

For the GPU, I would say select whichever one costs less, especially if you are putting a waterblock on it. My Zotac 5090 Solid OC was a good buy compared to the other more expensive options that deliver nothing for the extra money. It is an excellent GPU. The air cooler on it was fantastic (unlike some of the other affordable brands/models). It ran freakishly cool for an air cooled GPU.

 

The only 50-series GPU I would recommend avoiding like a plague is an FE model. For overclocking potential probably the best GPU silicon quality most consistently will be an AORUS Master, but the cost vs benefit isn't justified. I love overclocking more than anything else I do with a computer, and really the only reason computers matter to me at this point, but paying a WHOLE LOT more for a very small gain in GPU benchmark scores is just not a very intelligent decision.

 

I have owned the following X870E motherboards and I list them in my order of preference:

1. X870E AORUS Master (best overall - only flaw is no way to disable WiFi/BT in BIOS)
2. X870E-E Strix (replacement for second AORUS Master that arrived with shipping damage)
3. X870E Apex (returned first for refund, second was junk, I am using #3)
4. X870E Carbon (returned for refund - good mobo, but no async BCLK and weird glitches)
5. X879E Taichi (my least favorite out of all AMD motherboards I have owned - hated it)

 

I had a X870E Taichi and hated it. The PCIe bifurcation was garbage and I did not care for the firmware. I have only owned two ASRock motherboards and did not like either one.

 

I had a B850 AORUS Elite that I used in a build for my granddaughters and it was excellent. The only criticism I had was the PCIe slots below the GPU slots were X1, but using them did not drop the GPU to X8. This is unavoidable with anything below X870E dual chipset due to a lack of PCIe lanes with an non "E" AMD dual chipset motherboard. PCIe X1 dramatically reduces NVMe speed... makes NVMe speed like SATA SSD. If you plan to insert anything in other PCIe slots in addition to your GPU in an AMD motherboard the "E" version is an absolute must have.

 

The only complaint I have with the Gigabyte boards is no way to disable WiFi/BT in the BIOS. Super stupid flaw they could fix effortlessly if they cared. If you use WiFi/BT and use Windoze 11 as your main OS (I do not do either one) this truly is a non-issue.

 

It really pissed me off that Gigabyte did not provide that option in the BIOS. I asked twice and both times they said no... "you're the only person complaining about it" (essentially we don't care what you want and you are not worth the minimal effort needed to make a BIOS as good as our competitors). Gigabyte is the only brand I know of that omits this essential basic BIOS option.

 

The Strix was an accidental blessing. I purchased a second AORUS Master from Central Computers on sale for less than what I paid for the first. The big and heavy NVMe heatsink under the GPU was not latched. Apparently shipped from the factory without being latched. It flopped around inside of the box and broke several things and scratched up things that did not get broken.  I asked them to open the box and inspect before shipping a replacement. They had quite a few in stock and ended up opening all of the boxes and all were damaged in the same way. They offered the Strix for no difference in price. I accepted. 

 

The Strix is better than the AORUS Master in terms of firmware. A close second only because I could not install both of my Sabrent quad NVMe X4 cards like I could in the Master. It only has one extra PCIe slot. The AORUS had two, both usable at X4 without dropping the GPU from X16 to X8. The AORUS Master allowed me to install 10 NVMe SSDs and 4 SATA drives while maintaining the GPU at X16.

 

The Apex is a great motherboard with a glaring engineering defect entirely due to an idiotic PCIe slot arrangement. I can only use the X4 PCIe slot above the GPU. The Sabrent quad NVMe card's heat sink touches the GPU backplate. The Strix performs as well as the Apex in terms of the CPU overclocking. It has asych BCLK and I can use the Sabrent card in the bottom slots without the GPU dropping to X8 like it does in the Apex.

 

Hope this helps. 

Amazing, and very appreciated reply. Thank you! You've convinced me to sell the Taichi MB. My gigabyte board had a similar problem with the top pcie heatsink/cpu waterblock, and GPU backplate. I had to dremel a 1/4" off the pcie heatsink in order for it all to fit/mesh correctly. Of course the top pcie is needed for the SSD to run at 5.0, and the GPU to run at x16. Cutting aluminum with a dremel cut off wheel was excruciating. Aluminum does not cut well, so it was frictioned off! 🤣

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

Amazing, and very appreciated reply. Thank you! You've convinced me to sell the Taichi MB. My gigabyte board had a similar problem with the top pcie heatsink/cpu waterblock, and GPU backplate. I had to dremel a 1/4" off the pcie heatsink in order for it all to fit/mesh correctly. Of course the top pcie is needed for the SSD to run at 5.0, and the GPU to run at x16. Cutting aluminum with a dremel cut off wheel was excruciating. Aluminum does not cut well, so it was frictioned off! 🤣

Happy to help.

 

I have not been able to beat any of my Strix high scores with the Apex using my best 9950X. 

 

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/cinebench_-_r23_multi_core_with_benchmate/submissions/5898291

 

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/y-cruncher_-_pi-1b/submissions/5904464

 

I hate cutting aluminum and you are right about using a dremel or grinder. It loads up the griding disk with metal and resists the process. Using a hacksaw or a jigsaw is the easiest way to cut aluminum, but you can't use a hacksaw for some things.

 

My MSI X870E Carbon and the Z790i Edge both had the rear I/O heatsink made about 1/16" too long and had contact interference with the GPU backplate. I was able to install the GPU in both motherboards but it was jammed against the backplate hard enough to damage the anodized finish on the GPU backplate. The NVMe heatsink was also touching the backplate on the Z790i Edge, but not jammed against it super hard. I had to install the GPU first, then the NVMe heatsink.

[Raiderman]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Happy to help.

 

I have not been able to beat any of my Strix high scores with the Apex using my best 9950X. 

 

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/cinebench_-_r23_multi_core_with_benchmate/submissions/5898291

 

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/y-cruncher_-_pi-1b/submissions/5904464

 

I had cutting aluminum and you are right about using a dremel or grinder. It loads up the griding disk with metal and resists the process. Using a hacksaw or a jigsaw is the easiest way to cut aluminum, but you can't use a hacksaw for some things.

 

My MSI X870E Carbon and the Z790i Edge both had the rear I/O heatsink made about 1/16" too long and had contact interference with the GPU backplate. I was able to install the GPU in both motherboards but it was jammed against the backplate hard enough to damage the anodized finish on the GPU backplate. The NVMe heatsink was also touching the backplate on the Z790i Edge, but not jammed against it super hard. I had to install the GPU first, then the NVMe heatsink.

The Taichi is now listed on fleabay along with the 7900xtx. 

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Zotac rtx 5080 solid oc w/ Alphacool water block....or

Msi suprim rtx 5080

Or none of the above?

 

If you absolutely want 5080 why not wait for the Super cards? I expect the 5080 will drop in price once the refresh is out. And with an 5090 at MSRP (if you can find one at lowest price) will probably keep it's prices a long time, same as for 4090's. Some even got more for their 2 years old used 4090's than they paid. Won't happen with xx80 cards.

[electrosoft]

16 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

The pressure was too hard to swallow for AMD. But should we trust AMD? By market needs.... Nice.

 

AMD Backtracks, Says It Will Continue Game Optimizations And Features Support For RDNA 1 And RDNA 2 GPUs

 

 

New features, bug fixes and game optimizations will continue to be delivered as required by market needs in the maintenance mode branch,

- AMD

 

 

Rumors but Nvidia get higher profits from AI GPU's. What with 6090 ? Same pathern? We may go back to xx80Ti models due China. And damn expensive PRO cards for those that want better than xx80TI tier performance.

NVIDIA will retire the RTX 5090 to prioritize AI GPUs and will leave the upcoming RTX 5080 SUPER as its most powerful gaming model.

The RTX 5090 is entering its final stage of life ... Because production lines for AI GPUs need to be prioritized.

 

With the newfound relationship between Jensen and trump sky is the limit now for selling AI hardware so might as well re-direct those 5090s to the AI segment. AMD has zero answer for Nvidia this time around and next time is looking to potentially "match" the 5090 which is nice but what about the 6090? 5080 beats everything AMD has to offer, period.

 

This makes sense too as 5090s are not only going back up in price but drying up at all the sellers atm from newegg to BB to amazon and even MC.

 

St David's MC is down to only 4 models of 5090 in stock atm. I've never seen stock so low except during the initial launch drought.  Cheapest model in stock atm is $3k

 

Newegg only has 4 models in stock and cheapest is $2850

 

Best Buy actually has the most in stock, 9 models, and the cheapest available is the Aorus Master on sale actually for $2599.99. That's actually a decent price for a Master and actually in stock if you wanted to go big time @Raiderman

 

 

 

 

14 hours ago, Reciever said:

My little trooper EVGA 550w Gold gave up the ghost tonight. 

Somehow my Aorus ITX AM4 motherboard has now survived 2 PSU's (both EVGA)

 

I yanked out the 1300w EVGA Gold from the Unraid system for now, I am planning some hardware swapping though so I suppose this is a bit of motivation. I recently acquired a Precision 7910, mostly so I can consolidate 3 systems into one. Unraid has been such a consistent OS that I think it will be a good fit for everything I could probably throw at it.

I recently purchase a Morpheus 8057 heatsink, also got a second 280X (Windforce this time) and a PNY 780Ti w/ Accelero Xtreme III. About a 100 USD altogether.

 

Were they both 550w EVGA models or two different variants?

 

5 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Opinions!?

 

Zotac rtx 5080 solid oc w/ Alphacool water block....or

Msi suprim rtx 5080

Or none of the above?

 

Or hang on to my 7900xtx till next gen?

 

@Mr. Fox Did you have/test the Asrock X870E Taichi mb? I have a brand new one and was considering swapping it out with the Gigabyte Aorus elite x870E thats currently in my rig. What were your impressions of it?

 

 

I'd jettison the 7900xtx especially with the head games AMD is playing atm. I'm pretty disappointed in them and they're only back tracking because of consumer outrage but the damage is done. They can't stop kicking their own ass.....

 

Like @Mr. Fox said, go for the cheapest model that has a block available you like if you're focused on the 5080. It does offer the best bang/buck if you can get one fairly cheap (IE MSRP) or a touch below. You could also wait for the Supers next year as @Papusan said, but in the here and now either:

 

Go for the cheapest 5080 that has your block du jour or

Go ham and grab a Master from best buy for $2600

 

There are several 16GB 5080 models available from several sellers for $999.99. I can't imagine paying 30-50% more for a Suprim

 

 

 

[Papusan]

 

This is disgusting. I wonder how many run their 4090/5090 with such out of specs load balancing. +12A on one pin while an another one barely reach 2A under full load condition. Just reinsert the connector several times and you get completly different results depending on your luck. You can't blame the users for melting their cards with such idiotic power design. Weird Nvidia never found out this under their testing and validation. Did they test only one card and one cavble?🤔

 

Without monitoring the different power pins you will never ever see how bad it is. 

https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/artikel/hardware/grafikkarten/67358-asus-rog-astral-geforce-rtx-5090-oc-im-test.html

 

Not even weak low powered AMD cards ain't safe....

 

[Mr. Fox]

Off-Topic: The Phoenix Micro Center grand opening for VIP members is 11/5. My wife better hide my wallet. 🤣

 

It's an hour each direction from where I live, but at least it's not the 6-hour drive each direction to Tustin, CA.

[Mr. Fox]

Interesting.... 

 

[Raiderman]

@Mr. Fox Screenshot

Something about needing Nvidia closed source firmware

 

[Raiderman]

This is a serious Rabbit hole.

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

@Mr. Fox Screenshot

Something about needing Nvidia closed source firmware

 

 

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

This is a serious Rabbit hole.

 

 

 

I would love it if this works and we could make our own drivers for Windows 7 on whatever modern hardware we choose to run.

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

This is disgusting. I wonder how many run their 4090/5090 with such out of specs load balancing. +12A on one pin while an another one barely reach 2A under full load condition. Just reinsert the connector several times and you get completly different results depending on your luck. You can't blame the users for melting their cards with such idiotic power design. Weird Nvidia never found out this under their testing and validation. Did they test only one card and one cavble?🤔

 

Without monitoring the different power pins you will never ever see how bad it is. 

https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/artikel/hardware/grafikkarten/67358-asus-rog-astral-geforce-rtx-5090-oc-im-test.html

 

Not even weak low powered AMD cards ain't safe....

 

 

At least AMD suffering the problem lets us know it is a spec issue and not an Nvidia GPU side issue but still....

 

 

Score another for a lighter colored connector showing clear and visible scorch marks.....

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Off-Topic: The Phoenix Micro Center grand opening for VIP members is 11/5. My wife better hide my wallet. 🤣

 

It's an hour each direction from where I live, but at least it's not the 6-hour drive each direction to Tustin, CA.

 

The blessing and the curse is my closest MC is ~60min away in St Davids. Close enough to where if I really want to go it isn't that far away yet far enough away to keep me honest and not habitually dropping by "just to look" (translation: Coming home with new goodies more often than not).

 

An hour is a medium sized commute. Very doable. Your poor wallet AND you get access to a newer store vs ours which opened in 1991.....

[Mr. Fox]

46 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

The blessing and the curse is my closest MC is ~60min away in St Davids. Close enough to where if I really want to go it isn't that far away yet far enough away to keep me honest and not habitually dropping by "just to look" (translation: Coming home with new goodies more often than not).

 

An hour is a medium sized commute. Very doable. Your poor wallet AND you get access to a newer store vs ours which opened in 1991.....

I think the temptation will be easier for me because I have worked from home as a "virtual office employee"  since 2002. I've never worked from an office in all of those years, although I used to have to travel extensively and excessively. Thankfully that ended about 7 years ago. Now I just stay home all the time. I never go anywhere and I don't want to. My compute is walking from my breakfast stool in the kitchen to my desk in the office. About 30 feet one way. There is no "stopping by" anywhere on the way home. It's both a blessing and a curse. I'm so used to staying home all the time I never want to go anywhere, LOL. The hour drive to Micro Center will be a massive pain in the butt. There won't be any impulsive shopping as long as I don't just go there for the heck of it.

 

After about 13 years of 75% overnight travel and only being home one or two days a week, I don't like driving even 30 minutes to go do something anymore. (Mrs. Fox finds that pretty annoying and boring, but she hasn't forgotten my absence 5 to 6 days a week for many years )

 

All that being said, I'm sure if I have something specific I want to buy I will be more than happy to waste 2 hours of my life driving back and forth to get better pricing and a better warranty, no shipping and the overall better Micro Center experience. I'm going to like not having to purchase almost everything online anymore. That always sucks.

[Mr. Fox]

54 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

At least AMD suffering the problem lets us know it is a spec issue and not an Nvidia GPU side issue but still....

It is definitely a specification engineering  flaw and inherently defective design and not an NVIDIA defect. Any company stupid enough to use it as going to have burnt and melted wiring and connectors just because it's trash.

 

The only thing we can blame NVIDIA for is being the stupid bastards that made this defective piece of crap the new normal.

[Reciever]

14 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I have never been exposed to Unraid. I have obviously heard of it from those that build and use home servers, just never had any reason to use it myself. It is a full OS with a GUI or a CLI only? Linux?

 

Did you (or do you plan to) get replacements from EVGA for the PSUs?

 

Its an OS you dont actually interact with directly like you would most linux distro's or Windows. Once its installed, you interact with it via Web browser of choice. Its main selling point is acting as your File Server, you can also add 2 drives for parity as well.

 

The other large value add is containers, the functions are in my view endless, though it wouldnt surprise if people more adept in the line of expertise would say otherwise. 

Most importantly its just rock solid and is all installed on a flash drive, simply notate the Serials of the drives and how you arranged them in the GUI, and you can easily transport to another system and have it boot up without missing a beat. They've also recently added in official TailScale support so you can have friends and family have access relatively easily.

 

Its not something I would expect people here to have too much interest in, but its been a thrilling experience for me while I gather up GPU's for benching this Winter. I have a particular fondness to Anime, make no mistake its an ocean of urine like any genre but it long poses a challenge in media management. Unraid has many containers to make this process much more simplified.

 

More importantly just rock solid stability, wish Windows was as consistent.

 

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Were they both 550w EVGA models or two different variants?

 

 

To answer both of you...

They weren't the same, some may recall I had a 1300w PSU that was recommended by most here at the time, that one gave up the ghost, EVGA replaced it with a different model 1300w which I had been using with Unraid for a while, its now powering my ITX system. Open style chassis allows much more freedom than a case would in this regard. 

 

I've also killed an 850w EVGA Gold PSU, but like I said I killed it so I did not seek RMA for it. 

Not sure what the issue was for the 550w Im guessing it didnt like being power cycled as quickly as I had done it. In some ways it does clean things up a bit since I am no longer using the 1200w (900w for 110v) server PSU to power the 7900 XTX.

 

Which now opens things up for a new PSU on the bench system (10850K), should I start looking around for another 1300w? 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Reciever said:

More importantly just rock solid stability, wish Windows was as consistent.

You explanation piques my curiosity so I may have to investigate it. Even if it turns out I do not have a need for it, I am still curious. 

2 hours ago, Reciever said:

Which now opens things up for a new PSU on the bench system (10850K), should I start looking around for another 1300w? 

I would say at least 1300W. The Lian Li Edge seems like a solid and affordable option. I have one in my 4090 build. I have a Thermaltake GF3 1650W PSU in the 5090 build. I like both of them. The GF3 is hard to find. It has dual 12VHPWR sockets and like 6 PCIe 8-pin sockets in addition. 

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I may have to drop down to 0.001 Ohm shunt resistors to bump my power limit. I backed off my core clock a bit and the scores went up. I ran the benchmark again with GPU-Z and HWiNFO64 running on my second monitor so I could watch and it is still showing power limit perf cap reason, so... hmmm. I'm pulling 1350W from the wall already. HWiNFO64 shows like 959W on GPU power rails. Apparently that's not enough. My core temp is still hitting 41°C with 9°C water, so that's not helping. I guess I am going to have to think about using liquid metal on the GPU. I don't want to, but 41°C is definitely not helping

 

 https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/144631382 | https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_steel_nomad_dx12/submissions/5918232

[Papusan]