*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[johnksss]

33 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Looking good bro Johnkss. Guru3D have just posted review of the 011 Dynamic Evo on main page....

 

Review: Lian Li O11 Dynamic Evo chassis

By Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 09/02/2022 11:08 AM 

We’re checking out the Lian Li O11 DYNAMIC EVO, a successor of the O11 Dynamic chassis, which we reviewed four years ago. The Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO appears to have changed very little from the original. You can now install a 280mm radiator in the side location, and there are mounts for eleven (but nine are provided in the bundle) storage drives rather than six.

Read the review here.

Will do bro Fox

Wow, didn't even know about the front mesh kit to add 3 more fans. I did get the second io kit for usb though.

[Ashtrix]

Need a word of advice from the experts here. Thanks in advance.

 

On a Z590 board with 4 DIMMs, will this work.. I'm almost ready to install it now as I type.

F4-4000C16D-32GTRSA - 2x16GB kit I have 2 kits, it's B-Die Samsung16-16-16-36 1.4V XMP.

 

DIMM A1, A2 - Channel 1
DIMM B1, B2 - Channel 2

 

MSI mentions I need to install 1st stick in A2 and 2nd stick in B2 to get full Dual Channel with XMP.

 

My idea is to put both kits populating all 4 DIMM slots, is it possible for the 10900K IMC to handle that much of high speed, high capacity, low latency, Dual Rank DRAM at XMP with B-Die kit at 1.4V ? If Yes .. how should I populate the 2 Kits say Kit X 1st stick goes into A2, 2nd stick goes into A2 and Kit Y 1st stick goes into B1, 2nd stick goes into B2 is this fine OR it should be X Kit 1st goes into A2, 2nd goes into B2, Y Kit 1st goes into A1, 2nd goes into B1.

 

If no, then I will just put one stick in A2 and other stick in B2 with same Kit X.

 

Please advice. Thanks again.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

13 minutes ago, Ashtrix said:

Need a word of advice from the experts here. Thanks in advance.

 

On a Z590 board with 4 DIMMs, will this work.. I'm almost ready to install it now as I type.

F4-4000C16D-32GTRSA - 2x16GB kit I have 2 kits, it's B-Die Samsung16-16-16-36 1.4V XMP.

 

DIMM A1, A2 - Channel 1
DIMM B1, B2 - Channel 2

 

MSI mentions I need to install 1st stick in A2 and 2nd stick in B2 to get full Dual Channel with XMP.

 

My idea is to put both kits populating all 4 DIMM slots, is it possible for the 10900K IMC to handle that much of high speed, high capacity, low latency, Dual Rank DRAM at XMP with B-Die kit at 1.4V ? If Yes .. how should I populate the 2 Kits say Kit X 1st stick goes into A2, 2nd stick goes into A2 and Kit Y 1st stick goes into B1, 2nd stick goes into B2 is this fine OR it should be X Kit 1st goes into A2, 2nd goes into B2, Y Kit 1st goes into A1, 2nd goes into B1.

 

If no, then I will just put one stick in A2 and other stick in B2 with same Kit X.

 

Please advice. Thanks again.

 

 

Yes it is absolutely possible if the CPU has a strong IMC. 4000C16 is probably getting close to the limit with 4 modules though, or on a 4-DIMM mobo.

[Ashtrix]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes it is absolutely possible if the CPU has a strong IMC. 4000C16 is probably getting close to the limit with 4 modules though, or on a 4-DIMM mobo.

 

Thank you Mr. Fox, yeah I was also thinking it's really top max limit. I was checking the manual too.

 

∙∙Max overclocking frequency:
▪▪1DPC 1R Max speed up to 5600 MHz
▪▪1DPC 2R Max speed up to 4800+ MHz
▪▪2DPC 1R Max speed up to 4400+ MHz
▪▪2DPC 2R Max speed up to 4000+ MHz

 

By that table 2DIMM per Channel Dual Rank is max 4000MHz, I doubt any CPU can go past beyond this rate. But was really not sure as many run on Dual DIMMs as it's best for the OC too. I was just thinking if it works I could get 64GB memory at low latency.

[jaybee83]

 

21 hours ago, johnksss said:

So far, no regrets, but the price of course. 🙂

yep that sounds about right haha

 

18 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Looks nice, Brother @johnksss. What caused you to decide to build that using the Unify-X mobo?

 

Hey guys, check out my first review on ExtremeHW and comment when you have time. I am expecting another one soon, so I will post the link here after I receive the product and complete the review.

 

CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB DDR5-6000 32GB Memory Review | ExtremeHW.net

will that be a recurring thing, Mr.Fox the hardware reviewer? 😁👌🏼

had a look at the article, nice write up. from what ive seen so far its not big surprise that +200/+400 MT/s is about the max OCability of most DDR5 modules, right? at least for everyday operation without subambient cooling. also how funny that samsung ICs used to be all the rage for DDR4 and are now actually a con with D5 😄

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

will that be a recurring thing, Mr.Fox the hardware reviewer? 😁👌🏼

Yes, I believe so. The frequency is TBD, but I have another component coming soon that should be fun. Stay tuned.

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

had a look at the article, nice write up. from what ive seen so far its not big surprise that +200/+400 MT/s is about the max OCability of most DDR5 modules, right? at least for everyday operation without subambient cooling. also how funny that samsung ICs used to be all the rage for DDR4 and are now actually a con with D5 😄

Thank you. Feel free to comment down at the bottom if you feel so inclined. Even though they are limited to 1.435V and 6400 MT/s (due to the crippled PMIC) those Vengeance modules perform very well and for most gamers and casual overclockers that generate moisture in their nether-regions when they are exposed to RGB they are an excellent option that is priced right.

 

Samsung B-die was the IC to have for DDR4. Other Samsung IC versions were not very good.

 

Nicely binned SK Hynix ICs can handle 800+ MT/s overclocks. If you consider that 4800 is JEDEC default, even the comparatively crummy Samsung and Micron, and inferior bin quality SK Hynix ICs overclock a lot. Splave has cherry picked SK Hynix OEMs sticks for sale on HWBOT Marketplace that are ugly naked green PCB generic OEM modules that go way past 7000 MT/s if you want to spend $450 USD on modules that sells for under $200 for a pair of 16GB sticks. Below is an example of what you want to get if you're going the generic route.

 

[Ashtrix]

So I hooked up the machine to my comp using HDMI input, rather than opening all the monitor again. It gave A2 and A6 and no output, was thinking iGPU would do it. So Updated the BIOS same thing, so I thought DRAM so I painfully removed 2DIMM sticks with DH15 on from 2nd set. Same thing happened, then I plugged in the GPU and the output worked and was able to get into BIOS. Now once in BIOS I enabled the CSM option to test Windows 7. Suddenly HDMI output doesn't show anything from GPU. That was all yesterday night.

 

Today morning I plugged it into the monitor and it shows output properly, not sure why HDMI is iffy vs Display Port with CSM, maybe I'm just seeing things wrong .

 

Now for Windows 7 - The thing is it boots off any USB 2.0 or 3.0 port and detects then starts Setup (Win7 MBR thumbdrive that I made is a USB2.0 device with all the xHCI USB drivers from MDL, essential updates like NVMe hotfix, i225V LAN driver and SHA256 update. But unfortunately none of the USB devices work once it loads the setup page for Windows 7.

 

My early plan on APEX was using PS/2 since it has the option directly and use SATA ODD from the external SATA controller ASMedia since it have native ODD bootup for Windows 7, MSI doesn't have any external SATA controller and no PS/2 options only 2xUSB2.0 on the rear I/O.

 

Also one thing I noticed, in the MSI Click BIOS 5 the USB2.0 port with Logitech combo KBM is lagging badly. Yeah this board Z590 Ace has 2x USB2.0 ports.

 

@Mr. Foxwas able to successfully get Windows 7 on Z690 Unify. Can I please know how did you get it running ? Did you use a PCIe card to PS/2 or PCIe card to USB2.0 or did the Mobo directly allow you to install ? I'm using Logitech combo controller for KB and Mouse no dice. Thank you. Also I remember you always prefer using ODD and then updating from there, please suggest any tip.

 

Selecting components is one thing, and building it as per needs is one. Windows 7 part really is very tedious. But I want this since it's the last time that OS will ever run and for memories.

 

 

[Talon]

Decided to go Z690 Dark. I hope the 2x dimm board lets me push DDR5 a bit further than my 4x Hero. I wanted an Apex, but this gen Apex seemingly was a fail and it's not been sold outside of scalper prices since near launch. I doubt Z790 is going to bring much and the sale was a good deal for a high end board. I should have some "A-Die" in a couple weeks so I can really get some high clocking DDR5. 

 

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, Ashtrix said:

@Mr. Foxwas able to successfully get Windows 7 on Z690 Unify. Can I please know how did you get it running ? Did you use a PCIe card to PS/2 or PCIe card to USB2.0 or did the Mobo directly allow you to install ? I'm using Logitech combo controller for KB and Mouse no dice. Thank you. Also I remember you always prefer using ODD and then updating from there, please suggest any tip.

Windows 7 installation was nearly impossible (I actually gave up) on Z590 until I used a PCIe PS/2 mouse and keyboard and SATA DVD drive and then it became painless. Trying to do it from USB was nothing but frustrating and always ended in disaster. I was able to install drivers for USB and everything else except iGPU and WiFi 6 from the Windows desktop.

 

If you want to try restoring a Macrium Reflect image to your OS drive and then reactivate it with your own product key, let me know. It will be a huge upload/download, but it might take the frustration out of it for you.

 

6 hours ago, Talon said:

Decided to go Z690 Dark. I hope the 2x dimm board lets me push DDR5 a bit further than my 4x Hero. I wanted an Apex, but this gen Apex seemingly was a fail and it's not been sold outside of scalper prices since near launch. I doubt Z790 is going to bring much and the sale was a good deal for a high end board. I should have some "A-Die" in a couple weeks so I can really get some high clocking DDR5. 

 

 

Awesome. Congrats.  I really do like mine. I don't think ASUS has anything worth buying any more. Their stuff is buggy, unreliable, prone to failure and the RMA process unnecessarily challenging. There's essentially no value in their products unless you want to know a CPU SP rating.
 

[Ashtrix]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Windows 7 installation was nearly impossible (I actually gave up) on Z590 until I used a PCIe PS/2 mouse and keyboard and SATA DVD drive and then it because painless. Trying to do it from USB was nothing but frustrating and always ended in disaster. I was able to install drivers for USB and everything else except iGPU and WiFi 6 from the Windows desktop.

 

If you want to try restoring a Macrium Reflect image to your OS drive and then reactivate it with your own product key, let me know. It will be a huge upload/download, but it might take the frustration out of it for you.

Awesome. Congrats.  I really do like mine. I don't think ASUS has anything worth buying any more. There's essentially no value in their products unless you want to know a CPU SP rating.

 

Thank you very much brother Fox. I will try a few tricks and will let you know.... About the weird HDMI behavior on this board, the moment I turn on CSM the HDMI won't work through IGPU nor the PEG. Something is blocking it.

 

Also with the little time I spent with ASUS BIOS and MSI Click BIOS 5. I like ASUS, it's way too good I think that is why many still buy ASUS. EVGA never used but whenever I saw Luumi's videos, they really make SOLID BIOS. Only unfortunate part I noticed is their support of BIOS updates is not at the pace of ASUS and the Z590 basically cannot run 10th gen properly on their boards and their damn LED BIOS codes indicators on Z490 and Z590 were prone to failure, even X570 (only with Z690 they changed it) if that was not the case I would have bought the Z490 DARK the moment you had it up for sale 🙁 I believe that TiN leaving them is a big negative.

 

EVGA also gives option to shut off PCIe and SATA ports totally every single one of them even physical damn switches on the motherboard ! which is the best thing and the neat little U.2 connector, I remember you even asked them to let us disable the DAMN INTEL ME which they did !! 

 

ASUS gives it to an extent only about disabling things I think but not much at all. ASUS also has that V_Latch for direct VCore reading without the whole shenanigans, plus OC switches. But their QC and other non sense is really off putting.

 

MSI Click BIOS 5 is super easy and everything is in there for basics, but there's nothing to disable except USB ports, Wifi/BT plus their Advanced settings is just barebones vs ASUS Advanced options I think even my AW17 Insyde H2O has some more settings. BIOS switch is good, Reset button works like Flex key on ASUS and BIOS LED indicator is also nice, which ASUS also has. But MSI has 8 Layer PCB unlike ASUS cheapening out on just 6 layers and 2oz copper as well. I think for OC they have plenty of options however like both EVGA and ASUS.

 

Also Thunderbolt 4 can be disabled but I just learnt that TB4 Intel's Maple Ridge Controller automatically won't work with CSM BIOS setting, so even if I run Windows 10 dual boot on this board, both the TB4 / USB C ports on rear I/O won't work and useless as CSM is needed for my Windows 7 or heck even if MBR. And ofc ReBAR needs UEFI only. I just remembered how you are running Windows 10 LTSC also on MBR, is that correct ?

 

Truly sad that how things are turning out on tech side.

[Mr. Fox]

46 minutes ago, Ashtrix said:

Thank you very much brother Fox. I will try a few tricks and will let you know.... About the weird HDMI behavior on this board, the moment I turn on CSM the HDMI won't work through IGPU nor the PEG. Something is blocking it.

Yes, it's really strange. I didn't have any advice to offer because I've never seen what you're experiencing with HDMI before. I seldom use HDMI on computers anymore. I use almost exclusively DisplayPort. However, I do use HDMI whenever I use my screen capture device for BIOS videos and I haven't run into any issues there.

 

Is your bios set on "Auto" for the setting relating to primary graphics adapter? I usually leave that set to auto (BIOS default) and haven't had any strange things happening using that approach. If that is already set to auto and Adjustable Bar Support is enabled try disabling that because it is not compatible with CSM.

 

The EVGA Z590 Dark is the only product from EVGA I have owned that I did not love. It left a lot to be desired and I think they didn't get too excited about supporting it because 11th Gen Intel was viewed by so many customers as being a joke. It wasn't as much of a disappointment as X570/Ryzen 9, but any number multiplied by zero is zero, LOL. Anyhoo, I didn't stick with that product long enough to have any observations about firmware updates. The issues Z590 had with ACPI and the malfunctioning M.2 PCIe slots because of that ruined everything. But, I can tell you that EVGA has done a truly amazing job of providing updates on all of their other motherboards and graphics cards that I have owned. They provided more updates than I was willing to apply, since my approach is to not fix anything that isn't broken. The only ones that ever catch my attention are the ones that boast some kind of performance enhancement. Sometimes it's not accurate, but if the firmware update is for "security" and there's no mention of anything else, then that is a hard pass for me. Flashing it just because you can and because something new is floating around out there called an "update" is a truly fantastic way to end up with something disappointing.

[Talon]

17 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Windows 7 installation was nearly impossible (I actually gave up) on Z590 until I used a PCIe PS/2 mouse and keyboard and SATA DVD drive and then it became painless. Trying to do it from USB was nothing but frustrating and always ended in disaster. I was able to install drivers for USB and everything else except iGPU and WiFi 6 from the Windows desktop.

 

If you want to try restoring a Macrium Reflect image to your OS drive and then reactivate it with your own product key, let me know. It will be a huge upload/download, but it might take the frustration out of it for you.

 

 

Awesome. Congrats.  I really do like mine. I don't think ASUS has anything worth buying any more. Their stuff is buggy, unreliable, prone to failure and the RMA process unnecessarily challenging. There's essentially no value in their products unless you want to know a CPU SP rating.
 

 

Thanks, just got it mostly setup. I updated the BIOS to the latest that supports PMIC unlock for Renasis PMIC type. Out of box BIOS was kinda meh. I am so used to Asus, is there really no fan curve option in the BIOS? The constant percentage or SMART thing has to be a joke. 

 

Latest BIOS seems to have cache broken and locked at 3.6Ghz which is weird, thankfully I can bypass this with ELEET software. 

 

Latest BIOS also trying to kill my 12900KS LOL. The voltage it puts through the chip is ridiculous and completely unnecessary. Even my Asus board didn't even get close to the pull this thing was trying. I am currently at -180mV and -25 vdroop to get back to normal CPU package and temps for same perf. On Asus I used LLC4 and -70mV. Different, but it's just stupid to put that much voltage through the chip at stock settings, no wonder reviewers complain about temps, power, etc. The board variances are crazy. 

 

Memory OC looks promising though! Excited to do some testing now. 

[Mr. Fox]

50 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Thanks, just got it mostly setup. I updated the BIOS to the latest that supports PMIC unlock for Renasis PMIC type. Out of box BIOS was kinda meh. I am so used to Asus, is there really no fan curve option in the BIOS? The constant percentage or SMART thing has to be a joke. 

 

Latest BIOS seems to have cache broken and locked at 3.6Ghz which is weird, thankfully I can bypass this with ELEET software. 

 

Latest BIOS also trying to kill my 12900KS LOL. The voltage it puts through the chip is ridiculous and completely unnecessary. Even my Asus board didn't even get close to the pull this thing was trying. I am currently at -180mV and -25 vdroop to get back to normal CPU package and temps for same perf. On Asus I used LLC4 and -70mV. Different, but it's just stupid to put that much voltage through the chip at stock settings, no wonder reviewers complain about temps, power, etc. The board variances are crazy. 

 

Memory OC looks promising though! Excited to do some testing now. 

A Dark mobo and EVGA BIOS can take some getting used to and some people never learn to love it. Initial impressions are always that you are getting less, when the reality is you're getting more and not being presented with a bunch of distracting garbage in the BIOS. When I stopped wanting to be an ASUS customer it was very difficult at first. But, I quickly learned to appreciate the fact that it was made to do things the way I want to do them and it turns out to be a better fit for me than an ASUS product or ASUS firmware. I now find using ASUS firmware to be very annoying and cumbersome, and the plethora of settings that I have to fart with are no longer impressive to me. I find it annoying to have to max out power, current and amp limits and turbo time values manually in an ASUS environment. I love the fact that EVGA hard codes it maxed out in the BIOS by default and then hides the menus so they do not clutter things up. The entire premise upon which it is built is balls-to-the-wall overclocking. There is no real thought about people that are gamers and the casual style that is often associated with that. They only recently added RGB/ARGB headers and WiFi and I wish they never had added them. Especially the WiFi is just a waste of system resources and PCIe lanes. I could always insert a USB dongle for WiFi if I ever needed to. I generally disable that in the BIOS.

 

I am on the latest BIOS and it is working good for me. Disable the Guardband option and set -75% on vDroop and those two things should fix the high voltage. To unlock the PMIC past 1.435V enable "extreme voltage" and ignore the warning about high voltage. Does this does not increase voltage, it merely allows you to increase it and I always enable the extreme voltage option. This is basically the same as disabling voltage monitoring on ASUS to uncork CPU voltage past 1.500V, but it is just one toggle switch with EVGA to unlock all voltage limiters at once, rather than individually. I also use static voltage for everything I own. If you know what your load voltage was using adaptive with an offset, try setting that as the static voltage target. Also, the "CPU Voltage" in EVGA vernacular is SVID, not Core Voltage. If the user does not know that it is very alarming to think that much voltage is going to the CPU. It's not. It is what the CPU thinks it should ask for, which is always way too much. Many ASUS users disable SVID support in the BIOS so they do not see those scary but meaningless values.

 

After using it for a while, I decided I liked MSI firmware better than ASUS as well. It was likewise difficult to get used to. It seemed lacking in some ways and yet it carried some of the same faults as ASUS firmware that I appreciated not having to put up with on an EVGA board. Gigabutt UEFI was also different than the rest, and it was one that I could never warm up to. 

 

It should be "against the law" for OEMs to use different terminology when it comes to BIOS. They should not be allowed to use an opposite approach to things like LLC (e.g. more is more on ASUS, less is less on MSI).

[Talon]

15 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

A Dark mobo and EVGA BIOS can take some getting used to and some people never learn to love it. Initial impressions are always that you are getting less, when the reality is you're getting more and not being presented with a bunch of distracting garbage in the BIOS. When I stopped wanting to be an ASUS customer it was very difficult at first. But, I quickly learned to appreciate the fact that it was made to do things the way I want to do them and it turns out to be a better fit for me than an ASUS product or ASUS firmware. I now find using ASUS firmware to be very annoying and cumbersome, and the plethora of settings that I have to fart with are no longer impressive to me. I find it annoying to have to max out power, current and amp limits and turbo time values manually in an ASUS environment. I love the fact that EVGA hard codes it maxed out in the BIOS by default and then hides the menus so they do not clutter things up. The entire premise upon which it is built is balls-to-the-wall overclocking. There is no real thought about people that are gamers and the casual style that is often associated with that. They only recently added RGB/ARGB headers and WiFi and I wish they never had added them. Especially the WiFi is just a waste of system resources and PCIe lanes. I could always insert a USB dongle for WiFi if I ever needed to. I generally disable that in the BIOS.

 

I am on the latest BIOS and it is working good for me. Disable the Guardband option and set -75% on vDroop and those two things should fix the high voltage. To unlock the PMIC past 1.435V enable "extreme voltage" and ignore the warning about high voltage. Does this does not increase voltage, it merely allows you to increase it and I always enable the extreme voltage option. This is basically the same as disabling voltage monitoring on ASUS to uncork CPU voltage past 1.500V, but it is just one toggle switch with EVGA to unlock all voltage limiters at once, rather than individually. I also use static voltage for everything I own. If you know what your load voltage was using adaptive with an offset, try setting that as the static voltage target. Also, the "CPU Voltage" in EVGA vernacular is SVID, not Core Voltage. If the user does not know that it is very alarming to think that much voltage is going to the CPU. It's not. It is what the CPU thinks it should ask for, which is always way too much. Many ASUS users disable SVID support in the BIOS so they do not see those scary but meaningless values.

 

After using it for a while, I decided I liked MSI firmware better than ASUS as well. It was likewise difficult to get used to. It seemed lacking in some ways and yet it carried some of the same faults as ASUS firmware that I appreciated not having to put up with on an EVGA board. Gigabutt UEFI was also different than the rest, and it was one that I could never warm up to. 

 

It should be "against the law" for OEMs to use different terminology when it comes to BIOS. They should not be allowed to use an opposite approach to things like LLC (e.g. more is more on ASUS, less is less on MSI).

 

Thanks! I discovered the Extreme Voltage mode to unlock the PMIC limit. Works a treat on my G.Skill Z5 6400 CL32 kit, still have to test my Renegades that have a different PMIC brand. Hoping the Renegades OC further, I am guessing they will because they actually cool the PMIC with a thermal pad unlock the idiots at G.Skill. 

 

Do you know what the VSA and VCCIO voltages are in HWInfo? I am seeing them at 1.8v and hoping that isn't system agent voltage. 

 

Currently testing 6800 CL32 at 1.47v on my G.Skill kit. 😃 7000 CL32 boots, but errors almost immediately into a test. Good enough for a latency test but not much else. Of course that was at 1.435v which clearly isn't going to cut it. I am in line for an "A Die" kit from Splave over at HWbot. He ran out this week but let me reserve some that he is getting in next week. They should pair nicely with this board. He is claiming minimum 7600 CL32 1.55v which is crazy and exciting for DDR5 overclocking. 

 

https://community.hwbot.org/topic/219454-fs-binned-ddr5-a-die-hynix/  The sale thread if anyone is interested. 

[Mr. Fox]

19 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Thanks! I discovered the Extreme Voltage mode to unlock the PMIC limit. Works a treat on my G.Skill Z5 6400 CL32 kit, still have to test my Renegades that have a different PMIC brand. Hoping the Renegades OC further, I am guessing they will because they actually cool the PMIC with a thermal pad unlock the idiots at G.Skill. 

 

Do you know what the VSA and VCCIO voltages are in HWInfo? I am seeing them at 1.8v and hoping that isn't system agent voltage. 

 

Currently testing 6800 CL32 at 1.47v on my G.Skill kit. 😃 7000 CL32 boots, but errors almost immediately into a test. Good enough for a latency test but not much else. Of course that was at 1.435v which clearly isn't going to cut it. I am in line for an "A Die" kit from Splave over at HWbot. He ran out this week but let me reserve some that he is getting in next week. They should pair nicely with this board. He is claiming minimum 7600 CL32 1.55v which is crazy and exciting for DDR5 overclocking. 

 

https://community.hwbot.org/topic/219454-fs-binned-ddr5-a-die-hynix/  The sale thread if anyone is interested. 

I just ordered two brand new 16GB sticks of the nake green PCB Hynix (same part #) like Splave is selling on HWBOT for $80 each. I hope they overclock as nicely. They'll be perfect for my water cooling setup. Then I can either sell the RGB stuff or store them for spare parts. 

19 minutes ago, Talon said:

Do you know what the VSA and VCCIO voltages are in HWInfo? I am seeing them at 1.8v and hoping that isn't system agent voltage. 

Just a moment and I will check for you. I have many of those set to manual/override in the BIOS and did the same on the Unify-X. Auto is generally too high and the negative offset thing just doesn't make good sense to me when override is foolproof.

[Talon]

13 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I just ordered two brand new 16GB sticks of the nake green PCB Hynix (same part #) like Splave is selling on HWBOT for $80 each.

 

Hit me with that link brother. I also grabbed some EK Monarchs to cool them. 

 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ANJRKPQ?psc=1&smid=A3GO5VFCNOM5I7&ref_=chk_typ_imgToDp

[Mr. Fox]

19 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Hit me with that link brother. I also grabbed some EK Monarchs to cool them. 

 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ANJRKPQ?psc=1&smid=A3GO5VFCNOM5I7&ref_=chk_typ_imgToDp

I bought the last two from the seller I selected on eBay. Just be sure you buy sticks with the exact part number and not those labeled as "compatible" (I saw a couple like that on eBay... very iffy.)

 

Here is what I have set in the BIOS...

 

And, here is what HWiNFO64 shows for everything. SA VID (upper left) matches what I have set in the BIOS.

The Monarch RAM jackets look nice. I have Byski jackets that cost about half what the EK Monarchs cost. If you soak the memory modules in paint thinner for about 30 minutes the stock heat sinks will come off with minimal effort and no damage. Be sure to protect the part number label. I stood mine on end and only submerged the sticks in thinner deep enough to not submerge the label.

 

You will definitely want to put a fan blowing on the modules. In the screen shot I posted above, those memory temps are with a fan blowing on the stock TeamGroup Delta RGB modules. Without a fan blowing on them, the temps hit ~65°C and throw errors in memory tests. With the fans blowing on them they pass memory tests at the temperatures shown.

[Talon]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I bought the last two from the seller I selected on eBay. Just be sure you buy sticks with the exact part number and not those labeled as "compatible" (I saw a couple like that on eBay... very iffy.)

 

Here is what I have set in the BIOS...

 

And, here is what HWiNFO64 shows for everything. SA VID (upper left) matches what I have set in the BIOS.

The Monarch RAM jackets look nice. I have Byski jackets that cost about half what the EK Monarchs cost. If you soak the memory modules in paint thinner for about 30 minutes the stock heat sinks will come off with minimal effort and no damage. Be sure to protect the part number label. I stood mine on end and only submerged the sticks in thinner deep enough to not submerge the label.

 

You will definitely want to put a fan blowing on the modules. In the screen shot I posted above, those memory temps are with a fan blowing on the stock TeamGroup Delta RGB modules. Without a fan blowing on them, the temps hit ~65°C and throw errors in memory tests. With the fans blowing on them they pass memory tests at the temperatures shown.

 

I don't think those are "A-Die" SK Hynix. 

 

A die have an "A" in the middle of the part # instead of the M. They're also 5600MTs 1.1v instead of 4800MTs 1.1v 

 

This Dark board is incredible for memory OC. I just passed 4000% coverage at 6800 CL32 2T. Now testing 1T and it's having no issues either. WOW. This board has me excited for 13900K 6Ghz and crazy memory speeds. ADL memory controller is just OK, but rumor is RPL is improved quite a bit and A Die is going to push the limits even further. AMD being stuck at 6000MTs max for "sweet spot" is very sucky indeed. 

[Mr. Fox]

8 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

I don't think those are "A-Die" SK Hynix. 

 

A die have an "A" in the middle of the part # instead of the M. They're also 5600MTs 1.1v instead of 4800MTs 1.1v 

Dang it! I thought I had matched the part number exactly. I must have purchased from the wrong listing by accident. I had identified a listing with the identical part number, so I may have to turn around and resell them if they suck at overclocking.

Here is what Splave is selling (or sold) on HWBOT. He has run them as high at 7600 MT/s.

https://community.hwbot.org/topic/219454-fs-binned-ddr5-a-die-hynix/

Quote

• I have 7 kits, binned from 100 sticks. The ones that made the cut are all about the same in terms of OC (a couple dimms out 100 were awful). There are two types of PMIC, crackable and non. These sticks are all crackable, and will work without limits as long as your motherboard bios supports it. (ASRock and Asus for sure and I also believe MSI currently, gigabyte not sure I assume all XOC boards will be at some point.) You need to check your real voltage as some motherboards 1.55 will = 1.53 or 1.52 etc and apply more or less. 

 

These sticks will do at minumum 3800 32-44-44 1.55 aida 

[Mr. Fox]

Here is something useful I just picked up. Command prompt... copy and paste all on the same line.

wmic MemoryChip get MemoryType, Capacity, Speed, Configuredclockspeed, DeviceLocator, FormFactor, Manufacturer, Serialnumber, Partnumber

 

[Talon]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Here is something useful I just picked up. Command prompt... copy and paste all on the same line.

wmic MemoryChip get MemoryType, Capacity, Speed, Configuredclockspeed, DeviceLocator, FormFactor, Manufacturer, Serialnumber, Partnumber

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

 

Doing more research, that part number that I purchased may still be OK. I think it is the same IC as what most of us have for SK Hynix modules from G.SKILL, TeamGroup and others already that can run 6800+ stable. Hopefully, they will be a good bin quality so I don't have to resell them.

 

Looks like we should soon see a DDR5 version of Thaiphoon Burner. I communicated with Vitaliy back in July when I had my memory screwed up by the Unify-X mobo and provided him some memory dump info that may have been helpful.

 

https://www.softnology.biz/news.html

August 23, 2022 / Thaiphoon Burner 17.0.0.0 build 0823 beta 2

A miracle happened! A few weeks ago, the pathetic JEDEC scoundrels nevertheless published the final version 1.0 of the “JESD400-5 DDR5 Serial Presence Detect (SPD) Contents” document on their website, declassifying it. Therefore, all sorts of intellectually gifted “robing hoods” and fanatical fans of the Thaiphoon Burner, constantly swarming in it like larvae, in order to break, find out something, attach it to their programs or distribute it to the beggars and vagabonds, run at the speed of a marathon runner to the JEDEC website to download the document if you haven't already. It is surprising that only immigrants from Ukraine, Belarus and the Russian Federation still suffer from such pampering. Well, for the further development of Thaiphoon Burner, the release of the final documentation, expected throughout the year, is incredibly crucial. In accordance with it, the program code has already been adjusted. For example, the table of frequencies and timings in the summary report is displayed as accurately as possible. But there is other good news! The algorithm for reading 1024 bytes of SPD from the SPD Hub of DDR5 SDRAM modules has been successfully tested! Therefore, its implementation in the program should not take much time. In the meantime, you can admire two new screenshots.

Screenshot of Thaiphoon Burner UDIMM DDR5 SDRAM module

Screenshot of Thaiphoon Burner SO-DIMM DDR5 SDRAM module

 

For Brother @Talon or anyone that wants it. You can use Sensor Panel Manager to change the image to something else, edit your GPU and memory branding, etc.

 

Z690 Dark KPE SensorPanel.zip

 

 

[Talon]

 

12 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Doing more research, that part number that I purchased may still be OK. I think it is the same IC as what most of us have for SK Hynix modules from G.SKILL, TeamGroup and others already that can run 6800+ stable. Hopefully, they will be a good bin quality so I don't have to resell them.

 

Looks like we should soon see a DDR5 version of Thaiphoon Burner. I communicated with Vitaliy back in July when I had my memory screwed up by the Unify-X mobo and provided him some memory dump info that may have been helpful.

 

https://www.softnology.biz/news.html

August 23, 2022 / Thaiphoon Burner 17.0.0.0 build 0823 beta 2

A miracle happened! A few weeks ago, the pathetic JEDEC scoundrels nevertheless published the final version 1.0 of the “JESD400-5 DDR5 Serial Presence Detect (SPD) Contents” document on their website, declassifying it. Therefore, all sorts of intellectually gifted “robing hoods” and fanatical fans of the Thaiphoon Burner, constantly swarming in it like larvae, in order to break, find out something, attach it to their programs or distribute it to the beggars and vagabonds, run at the speed of a marathon runner to the JEDEC website to download the document if you haven't already. It is surprising that only immigrants from Ukraine, Belarus and the Russian Federation still suffer from such pampering. Well, for the further development of Thaiphoon Burner, the release of the final documentation, expected throughout the year, is incredibly crucial. In accordance with it, the program code has already been adjusted. For example, the table of frequencies and timings in the summary report is displayed as accurately as possible. But there is other good news! The algorithm for reading 1024 bytes of SPD from the SPD Hub of DDR5 SDRAM modules has been successfully tested! Therefore, its implementation in the program should not take much time. In the meantime, you can admire two new screenshots.

Screenshot of Thaiphoon Burner UDIMM DDR5 SDRAM module

Screenshot of Thaiphoon Burner SO-DIMM DDR5 SDRAM module

 

For Brother @Talon or anyone that wants it. You can use Sensor Panel Manager to change the image to something else, edit your GPU and memory branding, etc.

 

Z690 Dark KPE SensorPanel.zip 30.36 kB · 0 downloads

 

 

 

Good stuff thanks! Will try this out. 

 

Currently testing 6933 CL32 2T for stability on the Renegades. They run about 5c cooler with more voltage than the Trident sticks. I like to see around 3000-4000%.  coverage before I go play some games. I've had it pass 10000K before and CTD randomly. Usually if it passes 3-4K and then a few hours of gaming I'm good to go from my experience. Y-Cruncher 2.5b or Geekbench 5 are also pretty good at finding memory instability fast. 

 

The PMIC Turbo option seemingly might be the key that I had no tried to go further. Might have to go back and try the G.Skill sticks again later. For now I think I'll push up to 7K and keep messing with the PMIC turbo options to see if it continues to help. 

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, Talon said:

 

 

Good stuff thanks! Will try this out. 

 

Currently testing 6933 CL32 2T for stability on the Renegades. They run about 5c cooler with more voltage than the Trident sticks. I like to see around 3000-4000%.  coverage before I go play some games. I've had it pass 10000K before and CTD randomly. Usually if it passes 3-4K and then a few hours of gaming I'm good to go from my experience. Y-Cruncher 2.5b or Geekbench 5 are also pretty good at finding memory instability fast. 

 

The PMIC Turbo option seemingly might be the key that I had no tried to go further. Might have to go back and try the G.Skill sticks again later. For now I think I'll push up to 7K and keep messing with the PMIC turbo options to see if it continues to help. 

Looking good, bro.

 

What are your read/write/copy/latency numbers looking like?

 

[Talon]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Looking good, bro.

 

What are your read/write/copy/latency numbers looking like?

 

 

Looks like you've got some great performance, bit more tuned than me for sure. This is what I get with the stability test I did earlier today. Once it hit 5000% I went and gamed and had no issues. I'll try and get CR1 and try and tune it down later or tomorrow. 

 

I want the A-Die for Sub 50ns end-game.