Talon Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 53 minutes ago, tps3443 said: @Talon What is your CPU VDDQ voltage for DDR5 7200 XMP? 1.4v both in bios. I haven’t tested lower but 1.15v VCCSA and 1.3v vdd/IMC. Again at BIOS, as actual is a bit lower. 52 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said: DDR4 is absolutely a lot better than it was with 12900K and KS. It would not even POST at 4400 before. Wow some can’t even boot 4266. That’s crazy good IMC then. 4 1 Spoiler The Beast Asus Z790 APEX | Intel i9 13900K | ASUS RTX 4090 Strix OC | 64gb DDR5 7466 CL34 Dual Rank A-Dies | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | Innocn 4K 160Hz Mini LED HDR1000 | LG 27GN950-B 4K 160Hz | Corsair 170i Elite LCD 420mm AIO | Corsair 7000D | EVGA 1600w T2 Little Beast EVGA Z690 DARK | Intel i9 13900K | Nvidia RTX 4090 FE | 32gb DDR5 SK Hynix DDR5 8000 CL36 A-Dies | Samsung 980 Pro 2TB | LG OLED C1 4K 120Hz G-Sync/FreeSync | Alienware AW2721D 1440p 240Hz G-Sync Ultimate | Corsair 115i Elite 280mm AIO | Lian Li 011 Dynamic | EVGA 1000w P6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 37 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said: DDR4 is absolutely a lot better than it was with 12900K and KS. It would not even POST at 4400 before. You’ve got a good IMC for sure. I guess that also translates to DDR5 as well? You may just need some Hynix A-Die for full potential. But this cpu alone will probably give you a little more head room with your really good Hynix M die ram. 4 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 Well, Unify-X is down again... Started with a USB device drawing to much power and would turn off after 15 seconds. Did that for about 10 tries to get it to boot with nothing plugged in and then it went to - - in the lcd display. Not exactly sure what I did this time as I was benching at the time. Time will tell if it gets replaced or thrown in the gutter and do not buy another.... RMA has already been issued.... My ASUS Maximus Z690 Hero FRIST RUN!! BAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah right! I had to relearn the damn voltage first. 1 3 Maximus Z890 Apex ~ 265K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 8400 Mhz ~ 4TB Samsung 990 Pro ~ MSI-Ai1300P PSU ~ MAG 321URX QD-OLED 32" ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 DDR5 7400 is literally SCREAMING! Take a listen. I’ve always had these sounds, but not one this COOL!! 2 2 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, tps3443 said: DDR5 7400 is literally SCREAMING! Take a listen. I’ve always had these sounds, but not one this COOL!! Mine does that also, but I thought it was coming from the board as I had a chance to rule out psu and gpu. 2 Maximus Z890 Apex ~ 265K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 8400 Mhz ~ 4TB Samsung 990 Pro ~ MSI-Ai1300P PSU ~ MAG 321URX QD-OLED 32" ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, johnksss said: Mine does that also, but I thought it was coming from the board as I had a chance to rule out psu and gpu. Yeah it’s the motherboard making the sound. The memory just triggers it some how I guess. could you possibly share some timings as a good baseline? 3 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted October 27, 2022 Author Share Posted October 27, 2022 47 minutes ago, johnksss said: Well, Unify-X is down again... Started with a USB device drawing to much power and would turn off after 15 seconds. Did that for about 10 tries to get it to boot with nothing plugged in and then it went to - - in the lcd display. Not exactly sure what I did this time as I was benching at the time. Time will tell if it gets replaced or thrown in the gutter and do not buy another.... RMA has already been issued.... My ASUS Maximus Z690 Hero FRIST RUN!! BAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah right! I had to relearn the damn voltage first. Are you having a problem with Windows 10 or only Windows 11 with the USB issue? I don't know if you saw my post the other day, but when I flashed the updated bios for 13900K something went haywire with Windows 11. None of the USB ports worked anymore. I used a PS/2 mouse and keyboard to navigate and tried numerous things. I could not find the cause or fix the problem. It did not affect Windows 7 or Windows 10. Shutting down would hang. When I attempted an in-place upgrade/install as a possible solution, it repeatedly failed. Since I could not resolve it, I ended up having to clean install Windows 11. No idea why, but it is very weird. 1 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 I found the slow down in Windows 11, Core Isolation was enabled somehow. 😏 This single setting stole away an entire +1 bin in cpu performance and some extra on top.. I ran memory read again, and it’s 120,650Mb bandwidth. 😁 DDR5 Is INSANE!! OMG 1 3 1 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, tps3443 said: Yeah it’s the motherboard making the sound. The memory just triggers it some how I guess. could you possibly share some timings as a good baseline? No, I think you nailed it. With this board I can clearly here it coming from the memory as my ear is like 1/2 away. lol 3 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said: Are you having a problem with Windows 10 or only Windows 11 with the USB issue? I don't know if you saw my post the other day, but when I flashed the updated bios for 13900K something went haywire with Windows 11. None of the USB ports worked anymore. I used a PS/2 mouse and keyboard to navigate and tried numerous things. I could not find the cause of fix the problem. It did not affect Windows 7 or Windows 10. Since I could not resolve it, I ended up having to clean install Windows 11. No idea why, but it is very weird. OS crashed then on reboot that was what i got. Windows 11 had been working fine until that happened 1 Maximus Z890 Apex ~ 265K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 8400 Mhz ~ 4TB Samsung 990 Pro ~ MSI-Ai1300P PSU ~ MAG 321URX QD-OLED 32" ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted October 27, 2022 Author Share Posted October 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, johnksss said: OS crashed then on reboot that was what i got. Windows 11 had been working fine until that happened Hmm, my Windows 11 crashed real hard on the first attempt to boot with the new BIOS. It froze and then blue-sceened at the logon screen with the spinning circle and I could not power down. Had to turn off the PSU. Never worked right again after that. All of the USB ports were dead in Windows 11, but not in the BIOS or Windows 7 or 10. Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 5.9Ghz R23 coming right up guys. I’m chilling my water down just a little. 60F, Nothing crazy. Should be a 44K+ score. 3 1 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 17 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said: Hmm, my Windows 11 crashed real hard on the first attempt to boot with the new BIOS. It froze and then blue-sceened at the logon screen with the spinning circle and I could not power down. Had to turn off the PSU. Never worked right again after that. All of the USB ports were dead in Windows 11, but not in the BIOS or Windows 7 or 10. Microsoft fixes Windows vulnerable driver blocklist sync issue Disabling the driver blocklist Microsoft also says that starting with the Windows 11 2022 update (version 22H2), the blocklist is enabled by default on all devices. "Blocking drivers can cause devices or software to malfunction. In rare cases, it leads to a stop error," Microsoft warned on Tuesday. "There is no guarantee that the blocklist will block every driver that has weaknesses." https://notebooktalk.net/topic/265-all-about-windows-10-ltsc-included-news-and-announcements/?do=findComment&comment=17238&_rid=79 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 I got through R23 at 6Ghz P-Cores, 4.5Ghz E-Cores, and 5.1Ghz Cache, with only 1.360V 😃 @365 watts peak ..package temps were still like 80C, imagine this CPU with a delid. Screenshot inbound and coming. I had to power off my PC and let it dry real quick though. 1 1 2 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, tps3443 said: I got through R23 at 6Ghz P-Cores, 4.5Ghz E-Cores, and 5.1Ghz Cache, with only 1.360V 😃 @365 watts peak ..package temps were still like 80C, imagine this CPU with a delid. Screenshot inbound and coming. I had to power off my PC and let it dry real quick though. That is the top side, but what did the bottom side look like? As that is far more important..... 1 1 Maximus Z890 Apex ~ 265K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 8400 Mhz ~ 4TB Samsung 990 Pro ~ MSI-Ai1300P PSU ~ MAG 321URX QD-OLED 32" ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 20 minutes ago, johnksss said: That is the top side, but what did the bottom side look like? As that is far more important..... The bottom was fine I'm sure. All that water on the top just looks real SCURRY, so I turned the PC off. I can't afford to burn anything up. Anyways, here is 6Ghz P-cores, 4.5Ghz E-Cores, 5.1Ghz Cache. Almost had 44K.. I didn't change the priority of R23 like a doofus. I feel like this CPU has some real potential though. 4 1 1 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, tps3443 said: The bottom was fine I'm sure. All that water on the top just looks real SCURRY, so I turned the PC off. I can't afford to burn anything up. Anyways, here is 6Ghz P-cores, 4.5Ghz E-Cores, 5.1Ghz Cache. Almost had 44K.. I didn't change the priority of R23 like a doofus. Ummmm, ok. I'll take your word for it. lol 1 3 Maximus Z890 Apex ~ 265K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 8400 Mhz ~ 4TB Samsung 990 Pro ~ MSI-Ai1300P PSU ~ MAG 321URX QD-OLED 32" ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 44,270 in Cinebench R23 (This time no condensation, and a lot warmer water) Overclocking the E-Cores more did the trick easily. Honestly, since the new cold plate things have totally changed! 13900KF 5.9Ghz P-Cores, 4.7Ghz E-Cores, 5.1Ghz cache 4 2 1 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 21 minutes ago, tps3443 said: 44,270 in Cinebench R23 (This time no condensation, and a lot warmer water) Overclocking the E-Cores more did the trick easily. Honestly, since the new cold plate things have totally changed! 13900KF 5.9Ghz P-Cores, 4.7Ghz E-Cores, 5.1Ghz cache Nice job! These chips are crazy, still a decent amount of tweaking left in the thank for those that go looking for it. Seems the bend might not be the issue, but rather the failure of the user to fully seat the cable. 3 1 Spoiler The Beast Asus Z790 APEX | Intel i9 13900K | ASUS RTX 4090 Strix OC | 64gb DDR5 7466 CL34 Dual Rank A-Dies | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | Innocn 4K 160Hz Mini LED HDR1000 | LG 27GN950-B 4K 160Hz | Corsair 170i Elite LCD 420mm AIO | Corsair 7000D | EVGA 1600w T2 Little Beast EVGA Z690 DARK | Intel i9 13900K | Nvidia RTX 4090 FE | 32gb DDR5 SK Hynix DDR5 8000 CL36 A-Dies | Samsung 980 Pro 2TB | LG OLED C1 4K 120Hz G-Sync/FreeSync | Alienware AW2721D 1440p 240Hz G-Sync Ultimate | Corsair 115i Elite 280mm AIO | Lian Li 011 Dynamic | EVGA 1000w P6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Talon said: Nice job! These chips are crazy, still a decent amount of tweaking left in the thank for those that go looking for it. Seems the bend might not be the issue, but rather the failure of the user to fully seat the cable. So my 7600 sticks are not stable at XMP on this Z690 Hero...🤦♂️ 1 Maximus Z890 Apex ~ 265K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 8400 Mhz ~ 4TB Samsung 990 Pro ~ MSI-Ai1300P PSU ~ MAG 321URX QD-OLED 32" ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 19 minutes ago, johnksss said: So my 7600 sticks are not stable at XMP on this Z690 Hero...🤦♂️ I backed my sticks down to 7200 on my Hero, mostly so I could keep voltages down. I like 1.3v max for IMC, unfortunately on most CPUs that does mean lower stable memory clocks. 7200 runs great though. My Dark Z690 is honestly more trouble than my Hero board with high memory OC. I don’t get it. Asus worked some magic in recent bios that allows for much higher memory OC on a 4x dimm board. Also I saw that those 7600 sticks were in stock at a few MC this morning but I’m debating still if I really want more DDR5 laying around 1 1 Spoiler The Beast Asus Z790 APEX | Intel i9 13900K | ASUS RTX 4090 Strix OC | 64gb DDR5 7466 CL34 Dual Rank A-Dies | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | Innocn 4K 160Hz Mini LED HDR1000 | LG 27GN950-B 4K 160Hz | Corsair 170i Elite LCD 420mm AIO | Corsair 7000D | EVGA 1600w T2 Little Beast EVGA Z690 DARK | Intel i9 13900K | Nvidia RTX 4090 FE | 32gb DDR5 SK Hynix DDR5 8000 CL36 A-Dies | Samsung 980 Pro 2TB | LG OLED C1 4K 120Hz G-Sync/FreeSync | Alienware AW2721D 1440p 240Hz G-Sync Ultimate | Corsair 115i Elite 280mm AIO | Lian Li 011 Dynamic | EVGA 1000w P6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, Talon said: I backed my sticks down to 7200 on my Hero, mostly so I could keep voltages down. I like 1.3v max for IMC, unfortunately on most CPUs that does mean lower stable memory clocks. 7200 runs great though. My Dark Z690 is honestly more trouble than my Hero board with high memory OC. I don’t get it. Asus worked some magic in recent bios that allows for much higher memory OC on a 4x dimm board. Also I saw that those 7600 sticks were in stock at a few MC this morning but I’m debating still if I really want more DDR5 laying around Well, you know me.... Mine was an upgrade price so I jumped all over it. Now buying out right, I might have waited on them. They work great on the Unify-X board so technically I'm cool. Although they worked on the Strix gaming board.🤦♂️ Edit: You are right though I like the lower voltages as well so i will back the speed down and lower voltage. I like the fact that I don't have to go above 1.4 volts as well for vdimm 2 Maximus Z890 Apex ~ 265K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 8400 Mhz ~ 4TB Samsung 990 Pro ~ MSI-Ai1300P PSU ~ MAG 321URX QD-OLED 32" ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 My XMP 7200 is stable but that’s with auto auto SA/IO voltages, which seem really high. My manual settings of lowering the SA/IO voltages instantly crashed in game. So I need to slowly dial them back and see where it’s good at. 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, tps3443 said: My XMP 7200 is stable but that’s with auto auto SA/IO voltages, which seem really high. My manual settings of lowering the SA/IO voltages instantly crashed in game. So I need to slowly dial them back and see where it’s good at. So you are in the same boat as the rest of us. lol. Those auto voltages do love to run pretty damn high though. 1 Maximus Z890 Apex ~ 265K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 8400 Mhz ~ 4TB Samsung 990 Pro ~ MSI-Ai1300P PSU ~ MAG 321URX QD-OLED 32" ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, johnksss said: So you are in the same boat as the rest of us. lol. Those auto voltages do love to run pretty damn high though. Yeah I thought it was my cpu at first lol. It was clocked fairly high, or maybe even my really high tREFI. But it wasn’t either of those things. I reset bios and started fresh with XMP 7200 auto everything else, and it’s good to go. I jacked up memory frequency to even 7400 and it was still good to go. So far It’s either CPU SA voltage too low, or CPU VDDQ/VDD voltage being too low I’m thinking. I dropped SA to 1.150 and it wasn’t good. I did 1.300 SA and it’s stable. Now to slowly lower the others. 2 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, tps3443 said: Yeah I thought it was my cpu at first lol. It was clocked fairly high, or maybe even my really high tREFI. But it wasn’t either of those things. I reset bios and started fresh with XMP 7200 auto everything else, and it’s good to go. I jacked up memory frequency to even 7400 and it was still good to go. So far It’s either CPU SA voltage too low, or CPU VDDQ/VDD voltage being too low I’m thinking. I dropped SA to 1.150 and it wasn’t good. I did 1.300 SA and it’s stable. Now to slowly lower the others. The Unify-X is geared for memory over clocking though, these Hero 4 channels are...eha, I might work today but tomorrow is another day. 😂 2 1 1 2 Maximus Z890 Apex ~ 265K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 8400 Mhz ~ 4TB Samsung 990 Pro ~ MSI-Ai1300P PSU ~ MAG 321URX QD-OLED 32" ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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