*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[ryan]

 

bah print screen is glitchy with this power book lol. like man im suprised it hasnt caught fire. 95c for an i3 yikes talk about great engineering almost a feat being this bad

 

@MyPC8MyBrain told me to buy this laptop for 4k/120 gaming and well at 4k and grid autosport ultra low im only getting 37fps avg whats going on do i have a defective laptop lol

[Mr. Fox]

  

1 minute ago, Rage Set said:

The question is, did Asus physically change anything between the 2021 and 2022 models? Asus won't come out and say they changed some things but you never know. 

 

It's like the Asus Zenith II Extreme and Zenith II Extreme Alpha. Asus claims the boards are identical outside of adding improved, VRM's but they also changed the VRM heatsink slightly. 

Good point. There is a possibility that something(s) won't fit even if they look the same on the surface. Probably the only way to know would be to try it and see what happens.

[Talon]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Cool. You certainly don't see that much on laptops any more. Is that with the stock Lenovo firmware, or a BIOS mod?

 

Stock firmware, using a bypass method created by someone else (usb stick) to enter advanced/hidden BIOS menus. It isn't a flash, just unlocks in real-time to enter advanced menu. If you reboot without usb stick, default menus back. So no worry about brick or warranty. 

 

This is also with stock 32gb DDR5s which are SK Hynix M-Dies. Far better than the shitty 5600 CL46 profile. 

[Etern4l]

Speaking of SK Hynix M-Dies, how would we expect to rate Micron RAM operating in the 5600 CL40 range? Better or worse? 

[Mr. Fox]

Micron, Samsung and SK Hynix perform the same within a margin of error at a given clock speed using the same timings. Where they differ is how far they can be overclocked, how tight the timings can be set, and the amount of voltage it takes. At 5600 CL40 it will perform like 5600 CL40 if all things are equal in terms of timings. It is very mechanical and all about bandwidth and data transfer rates.

[Etern4l]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Micron, Samsung and SK Hynix perform the same within a margin of error at a given clock speed using the same timings. Where they differ is how far they can be overclocked, how tight the timings can be set, and the amount of voltage it takes. At 5600 CL40 it will perform like 5600 CL40 if all things are equal in terms of timings. It is very mechanical and all about bandwidth and data transfer rates.

 

To make it more concrete, my SK Hynix M-Dies (presumably) 4x32GB are working at 5000 CL30, way below their rated CL40. Would we expect Micron RAM to match those timings? 

[Mr. Fox]

11 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

To make it more concrete, my SK Hynix M-Dies (presumably) 4x32GB are working at 5000 CL30, way below their rated CL40. Would we expect Micron RAM to match those timings? 

Probably so, but you may have to increase the voltage based on the Micron silicon quality.  It is hard to know for sure until you try, and there is a silicon lottery with all of the memory ICs. The best answer is "yes, probably, but..." 😄 There is a fair amount of inconsistency in the tuning capabilities on DDR5 modules with the exact same IC, SKU and branding. I think more than there was with DDR4. The variance applies to all of the ICs, unfortunately. To some degree I think it is more so with DDR5 than DDR4 due to the much high clock speeds and running in quad channel mode.

 

[Etern4l]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Probably so, but you may have to increase the voltage based on the Micron silicon quality.  It is hard to know for sure until you try, and there is a silicon lottery with all of the memory ICs. The best answer is "yes, probably, but..." 😄 There is a fair amount of inconsistency in the tuning capabilities on DDR5 modules with the exact same IC, SKU and branding. I think more than there was with DDR4. The variance applies to all of the ICs, unfortunately. To some degree I think it is more so with DDR5 than DDR4 due to the much high clock speeds and running in quad channel mode.

 

 

Cool, that's all I could realistically hope for. Was worried the answer would be: Micron "S-Die"? Forget it! :) 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

The question is, did Asus physically change anything between the 2021 and 2022 models? Asus won't come out and say they changed some things but you never know. 

The only Manufacturer I know thats honest about this is Gigabyte. They always list new revision numbers. And bet on it. This will always happens. The first batch HW is always flawed from Gigabyte, LOOL

 

I doubt Asus changed it physically, they just delivered better batches of bords later in the cycle.  The sad part... All firmware, features optimization done by engineers/in house overclockers is done on good boards.

 

Here is one more that is honest. Maybe on the higher side but 3 stars is more correct than the inflated 4.5/5 stars many of the reviewers out there have given this half-baked gaming Cpu from AMD. Yep, some can complain about what GPU this Cpu is paired with in the review but the 3 stars is still valid. But the fan boys in the comment section is damn angry, LOOL

 

$450 for a 8 cores Cpu is so "Intel" a few years ago when they hadn't competition. But charge this prices in 2023 where 8 cores is bare minimum is disgusting. 

 

 

1 hour ago, ryan said:

 

bah print screen is glitchy with this power book lol. like man im suprised it hasnt caught fire. 95c for an i3 yikes talk about great engineering almost a feat being this bad

 

@MyPC8MyBrain told me to buy this laptop for 4k/120 gaming and well at 4k and grid autosport ultra low im only getting 37fps avg whats going on do i have a defective laptop lol

There is reason the Engineers crippled the CPU and put in PROCHOT max temp 92C. Try see if you can change it to the native 100C with offset in TS Options. You may smell some electronic odur but you have already paid for the warranty when you bougth the laptop🙂 Nasty Asus. They crippled Intels specs to use cheaper cooling and power delivery. Yep, very nasty. Or better say....

 

 

[Ashtrix]

15 hours ago, tps3443 said:

It’s definitely the motherboard. It errors out in the Aida 64 memory test. Which is a fairly weak memory stability test already 🤦‍♂️. 
 

Even just XMP 7200 ultra loose timings low tREFI. I even bumped all supporting memory voltages IMC/VDDQ TX/ SA by a good unrealistic amount that would even be needed. It’s gonna be a no go on this one.
 

I feel like this is not a 2022 Apex, and some one got me. Because if it was it would run 7800+ easily. Some can even do 8200-8800 performing equally as good as their Z790 Apex bigger brothers. (Luck of the board lottery of course if hitting 8000+ DDR5)

 

The MSI Unify-X Z690 is kicking this thing straight in the pants! 

 

If you watch Buildzoid video, it's not just the mobo, the LGA1700 socket is the main culprit. He mentions that DDR5 8000 is a mess on his side with multiple CPUs and multiple boards. The issue is about the Socket Pressure and LGA pin contacts. So maybe before getting rid of it, try to re-install the contact frame and the processor, then see how it works.

 

 

 

Intel did drop the ball on this socket the only thing they were able to get more sales is due to pathetic Rocket Lake and years long stagnation on PCIe3.0 vs AMD's 4.0 since 2020. And the graphs they made out due to the Rocket Lake disaster.

 

Add the 5800X3D, on an old platform and beats the Intel's 12900K easily and compete with modern i7 and R7 processors with ease, ofc this is Gaming workload but today most of them are buying PC for gaming only. I do not know how many even care about 4K BD Muxing or Archiving Games etc like myself and also have a bunch of SATA HDDs connected onto their main rig. All I see is Lian Li cases and others with 1 HDD at best and 2 NVMe for gaming and nothing else but full RGB and "MUH GAMING", this is where AMD's X3D gains market share.

 

Sad but true, nobody cares about Per Core performance that much, at best they see Cinebench, many do not even care for RPCS3 / Dolphin / Switch Emulation performance either. Even Intel and AMD are doing this with gaming focus, esp their Slide decks and look at Intel - 8P core MAX, you ain't getting anymore than that. AMD CCD Design is 8Cores with MCM design, at-least they have other 8Cores as proper x86 not Intel's SKL class E Core. Intel's new LGA1800 platform is also fixed 8P cores. AMD Zen 5 is also topping at 8 Cores per CCD I doubt they are going to change that.

[Etern4l]

8 minutes ago, Ashtrix said:

 

If you watch Buildzoid video, it's not just the mobo, the LGA1700 socket is the main culprit. He mentions that DDR5 8000 is a mess on his side with multiple CPUs and multiple boards. The issue is about the Socket Pressure and LGA pin contacts. So maybe before getting rid of it, try to re-install the contact frame and the processor, then see how it works.

 

 

 

Intel did drop the ball on this socket the only thing they were able to get more sales is due to pathetic Rocket Lake and years long stagnation on PCIe3.0 vs AMD's 4.0 since 2020. And the graphs they made out due to the Rocket Lake disaster.

 

Add the 5800X3D, on an old platform and beats the Intel's 12900K easily and compete with modern i7 and R7 processors with ease, ofc this is Gaming workload but today most of them are buying PC for gaming only. I do not know how many even care about 4K BD Muxing or Archiving Games etc like myself and also have a bunch of SATA HDDs connected onto their main rig. All I see is Lian Li cases and others with 1 HDD at best and 2 NVMe for gaming and nothing else but full RGB and "MUH GAMING", this is where AMD's X3D gains market share.

 

Sad but true, nobody cares about Per Core performance that much, at best they see Cinebench, many do not even care for RPCS3 / Dolphin / Switch Emulation performance either. Even Intel and AMD are doing this with gaming focus, esp their Slide decks and look at Intel - 8P core MAX, you ain't getting anymore than that. AMD CCD Design is 8Cores with MCM design, at-least they have other 8Cores as proper x86 not Intel's SKL class E Core. Intel's new LGA1800 platform is also fixed 8P cores. AMD Zen 5 is also topping at 8 Cores per CCD I doubt they are going to change that.

 

Socket fail for sure, although looks like newer boards come with a better variant. No potentially destructive contact frame gimmick required. 

[Papusan]

29 minutes ago, Ashtrix said:

If you watch Buildzoid video, it's not just the mobo, the LGA1700 socket is the main culprit. He mentions that DDR5 8000 is a mess on his side with multiple CPUs and multiple boards. The issue is about the Socket Pressure and LGA pin contacts. So maybe before getting rid of it, try to re-install the contact frame and the processor, then see how it works.

 

Asus boards SP rating is prone to fail if the socket mounting pressure is wrong. If the pressure is more correct the SP rating works as intended. Aka you get the memory speed to expect from the board. 

 

The uneven MB mem traces quality is awful on Z690 Asus Apex boards. This improved with the Z790 but also there you aren't given to get a golden "Easter" egg in their expensive HW lottery. 

 

19 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

Socket fail for sure, although looks like newer boards come with a better variant. No potentially destructive contact frame gimmick required. 

 

[Mr. Fox]

This is a pretty cool-looking open bench at a really decent price. ($65 USD)

Modular design and anodized CNC-cut aluminum.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195461130633?

 

I would use it flat/horizontal, not angled like in the marketing images.

 

[ryan]

Took back the Asus. Was that bad. Getting a i5 11th gen hp for 320. Good specs but it's from a trader aka pawn shop. Fingers crossed it's literally double the Asus for 130 less. I just need something that is functioning 

[Talon]

1 minute ago, ryan said:

Took back the Asus. Was that bad. Getting a i5 11th gen hp for 320. Good specs but it's from a trader aka pawn shop. Fingers crossed it's literally double the Asus for 130 less. I just need something that is functioning 

 

Honestly I'd try and find a good AMD U series laptop. The newer iGPUs are pretty decent and performance should be higher with better battery life. 

[ryan]

The option was a amd gold or a 11th gen i5 which has the xe igpu. If they had a u I would have pounced on it..should be good I just want Disney plus YouTube and fiddling with the laptop and poolians as well. Light gaming and basic tasks. Only problem is they have a as is 0 return policy. Really crossing my fingers that it has no issues I'll report back and post r23

 

At the end of the day it was only 320 cad. Or 270 usd

[Talon]

Anyone else excited for this game? I need to live out my inner childhood Starship Trooper memories. Really looking forward to this one. Hoping they don't mess it up, but this early gameplay looks great. 

 

 

 

[ryan]

Looks awesome. Reminds me of a zombie game I played with hoards. Cept this time it's aliens. Look like alot of fun will buy it regardless of ratings when it comes out. Also take a gander

 

HP 15dy2018ca this is the laptop. it will be hooked up to a 4k tv, so it's screen is of no importance 

[Mr. Fox]

20 minutes ago, Talon said:

Anyone else excited for this game? I need to live out my inner childhood Starship Trooper memories. Really looking forward to this one. Hoping they don't mess it up, but this early gameplay looks great. 

 

 

 

Looks cool. Hadn't heard of it before.

Edit: bummer... online co-op. Hopefully, that is only the early access version and the final product will be single player campaign with an online multi-player option or I will have to skip it. Otherwise, looks good.

 

 

Edited April 6, 2023 by Mr. Fox
online co-op... :(

[ryan]

 

bechmark wise meh but as far as performance loading chrome and other apps iv'e never had a faster computer. its like the screen glitches out its so fast, instant loads. need to find out why so I can tweak my hp omen

 

well it has no issues except its almost impossible to see keys without direct light on the keyboard. overall success i now have a back up

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, Talon said:

Anyone else excited for this game? I need to live out my inner childhood Starship Trooper memories. Really looking forward to this one. Hoping they don't mess it up, but this early gameplay looks great. 

 

 

 

I get excited over any new AAA/FPS games. Lol.  Something new to look at, new graphics settings to tweak. And a new story. 
 

[tps3443]

3 hours ago, Ashtrix said:

 

If you watch Buildzoid video, it's not just the mobo, the LGA1700 socket is the main culprit. He mentions that DDR5 8000 is a mess on his side with multiple CPUs and multiple boards. The issue is about the Socket Pressure and LGA pin contacts. So maybe before getting rid of it, try to re-install the contact frame and the processor, then see how it works.

 

 

 

Intel did drop the ball on this socket the only thing they were able to get more sales is due to pathetic Rocket Lake and years long stagnation on PCIe3.0 vs AMD's 4.0 since 2020. And the graphs they made out due to the Rocket Lake disaster.

 

Add the 5800X3D, on an old platform and beats the Intel's 12900K easily and compete with modern i7 and R7 processors with ease, ofc this is Gaming workload but today most of them are buying PC for gaming only. I do not know how many even care about 4K BD Muxing or Archiving Games etc like myself and also have a bunch of SATA HDDs connected onto their main rig. All I see is Lian Li cases and others with 1 HDD at best and 2 NVMe for gaming and nothing else but full RGB and "MUH GAMING", this is where AMD's X3D gains market share.

 

Sad but true, nobody cares about Per Core performance that much, at best they see Cinebench, many do not even care for RPCS3 / Dolphin / Switch Emulation performance either. Even Intel and AMD are doing this with gaming focus, esp their Slide decks and look at Intel - 8P core MAX, you ain't getting anymore than that. AMD CCD Design is 8Cores with MCM design, at-least they have other 8Cores as proper x86 not Intel's SKL class E Core. Intel's new LGA1800 platform is also fixed 8P cores. AMD Zen 5 is also topping at 8 Cores per CCD I doubt they are going to change that.

I have never had this issue that he is describing. I have tested over 10+ 13th gen i9 chips K/KF/KS, numerous remounts and every one could run 7200+ XMP with tuned timings right out of the gate on my Z690 Unify-X motherboard. 
 

But I do think there could be some potential weak socket pin issues going on. When I first installed my KS in to the Asus it threw a code 55 lol. I think maybe just the Z690 Apex is heavily inadequate. I thought DDR5 7000 was good, until I went and tuned the timings up. Then I quickly discovered it’s not. It would probably need to run like DDR5 6400 C36 to be happy. What a terrible motherboard. 
 

You really think If I went bending up pins I’d have better memory overclocking though? 

[ryan]

yeah thanks alot for that game it really does look good. this is why Im NBR old timer people recomending games

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I have never had this issue that he is describing. I have tested over 10+ 13th gen i9 chips K/KF/KS, numerous remounts and every one could run 7200+ XMP with tuned timings right out of the gate on my Z690 Unify-X motherboard. 
 

But I do think there could be some potential weak socket pin issues going on. When I first installed my KS in to the Asus it threw a code 55 lol. I think maybe just the Z690 Apex is heavily inadequate. I thought DDR5 7000 was good, until I went and tuned the timings up. Then I quickly discovered it’s not. It would probably need to run like DDR5 6400 C36 to be happy. What a terrible motherboard. 
 

You really think If I went bending up pins I’d have better memory overclocking though? 

I think the issue is that you got a garbage sample, not the Z690 Apex product in general. There should not be any garbage samples of such an expensive motherboard. It is a very capable highly performant enthusiast product if you get one that is not messed up. It is truly tragic that ASUS QC is poor.

[Etern4l]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think the issue is that you got a garbage sample, not the Z690 Apex product in general. There should not be any garbage samples of such an expensive motherboard. It is a very capable highly performant enthusiast product if you get one that is not messed up. It is truly tragic that ASUS QC is poor.

It's second-hand stuff so who knows why it is the way it is. Could have been a dud from the beginning, or could have taken some hard to spot damage at the hand(s) of previous owners. The fact that it was supposed a 2022 model but isn't tells us a lot about the seller.