*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Etern4l]

44 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

13900KS is rated to 320 watts and around 311 amps, and 100+ Celsius or so. I’m right at 379 watts Power out, and 280 amps. This is all within spec, and running nice and cool! 
 

My 13900K has been in service since December. And always ran at 6.0Ghz+ with nice and low temps. No degradation.

 

I avoid high temps, and I stay away from long extended stress tests. I conduct stability testing through real world situations most of the time. I degraded my Intel 7980XE a good bit by hammering heavy loads constantly and high temps always 90C+ it lost that edge fast on an AIO cooler. 

 

Where did you get those 320W and 311A ratings from? Intel specs just say 253W max turbo power again for 13900KS, with higher base power at 150W, up from 125W.

 

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/232167/intel-core-i913900ks-processor-36m-cache-up-to-6-00-ghz.html

 

 

Anyway, the direct die route is tempting, now that my CPU is delidded, if only to further reduce temps from 80-85C currently under 100% load, not even on LM. The EK block looks problematic, but the one you picked seems fine. @Mr. Fox any reason you didn't want to use the same direct die block, and went with EK?

 

[Tenoroon]

Some guy took my 4800HS scores from me and I've spent all day trying to get them back, and I don't understand how he was able to score what he did. I'm forced to use BenchMate and Windows 10. I've done all of the optimizations I can, but the highest CBR15 score I could get was 1984. The score I need to beat is 2008.

Is there anything I am forgetting to do? I have all of my power limits and such maxed out, and thermals aren't an issue. I have stripped Win10 and turned off all of the fancy appearance settings and run the benchmark with around 41-42 total processes running. I also make sure that CB is set to realtime and that it is in the very corner and not visible when running the benchmark. 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4911337_doctoredo_cinebench___r15_ryzen_7_4800hs_2008_cb

[johnksss]

11 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

Some guy took my 4800HS scores from me and I've spent all day trying to get them back, and I don't understand how he was able to score what he did. I'm forced to use BenchMate and Windows 10. I've done all of the optimizations I can, but the highest CBR15 score I could get was 1984. The score I need to beat is 2008.

Is there anything I am forgetting to do? I have all of my power limits and such maxed out, and thermals aren't an issue. I have stripped Win10 and turned off all of the fancy appearance settings and run the benchmark with around 41-42 total processes running. I also make sure that CB is set to realtime and that it is in the very corner and not visible when running the benchmark. 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4911337_doctoredo_cinebench___r15_ryzen_7_4800hs_2008_cb

What priority did you run the test in?

Edit: User error. It says Realtime.

You can also try Above Normal

[Mr. Fox]

22 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

Some guy took my 4800HS scores from me and I've spent all day trying to get them back, and I don't understand how he was able to score what he did. I'm forced to use BenchMate and Windows 10. I've done all of the optimizations I can, but the highest CBR15 score I could get was 1984. The score I need to beat is 2008.

Is there anything I am forgetting to do? I have all of my power limits and such maxed out, and thermals aren't an issue. I have stripped Win10 and turned off all of the fancy appearance settings and run the benchmark with around 41-42 total processes running. I also make sure that CB is set to realtime and that it is in the very corner and not visible when running the benchmark. 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4911337_doctoredo_cinebench___r15_ryzen_7_4800hs_2008_cb

How many processes are showing as active in Task Manager. You need to be down below 75 processes (50 or less is ideal) and run the benchmark with the CPU priority set to Realtime. 

  

22 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

Is there anything I am forgetting to do? I have all of my power limits and such maxed out, and thermals aren't an issue. I have stripped Win10 and turned off all of the fancy appearance settings and run the benchmark with around 41-42 total processes running. I also make sure that CB is set to realtime and that it is in the very corner and not visible when running the benchmark.

Looks like you have taken the right steps. Like @johnksssyou can try Above Normal or High. Once in a while I see lower Cinebench scores with realtime. How does your cache ratio and memory clock compare to the one you are trying to beat? If all things are equal, blame the OS. Have you removed Windows Defender and uninstalled any third-party AV? How about disabling network and audio adapters? Their drivers can also slow down a CPU. Basically, you want the CPU to be distracted by nothing. When running Cinebench, its one and only mission in life at that point in time should be running Cinebench and nothing else matters.

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

 

Where did you get those 320W and 311A ratings from? Intel specs just say 253W max turbo power again for 13900KS, with higher base power at 150W, up from 125W.

 

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/232167/intel-core-i913900ks-processor-36m-cache-up-to-6-00-ghz.html

 

 

Anyway, the direct die route is tempting, now that my CPU is delidded, if only to further reduce temps from 80-85C currently under 100% load, not even on LM. The EK block looks problematic, but the one you picked seems fine. @Mr. Fox any reason you didn't want to use the same direct die block, and went with EK?

 

"""The KS model has the same default profile as the 13900K but also has its own new Extreme Power Profile that allows for a 320W PL1/PL2 and 400A ceiling. You'll need to ensure that your motherboard can deliver the peak current if you want to unleash the full power of the KS, as not all motherboards can for a long period of time. Motherboard vendors allow assigning a higher ICCMax value in the BIOS, typically under settings like "Core/CPU Current Limit" (the name varies by mobo maker), but that doesn't mean the motherboard can actually deliver that amount of current. Obviously, B- and H-series boards don't make the cut."""

^As for the power of the 13900KS, this would make it have a better warranty I suppose lol. 


@Mr. Fox is using a SuperCool Gen 12. I sent him my old one. I am running a Super Cool Gen 13. Both are very similar and slightly different. I think they perform within about 3-5C of each other at best. But the Supercool is better than EKWB Direct Die. 

Direct Die is a game changer! 

[Mr. Fox]

44 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

The KS model has the same default profile as the 13900K but also has its own new Extreme Power Profile that allows for a 320W PL1/PL2 and 400A ceiling. You'll need to ensure that your motherboard can deliver the peak current if you want to unleash the full power of the KS, as not all motherboards can for a long period of time. Motherboard vendors allow assigning a higher ICCMax value in the BIOS, typically under settings like "Core/CPU Current Limit" (the name varies by mobo maker), but that doesn't mean the motherboard can actually deliver that amount of current. Obviously, B- and H-series boards don't make the cut.

^As for the power of the 13900KS, this would make it have a better warranty I suppose lol. 


@Mr. Fox is using a SuperCool Gen 12. I sent him my old one. I am running a Super Cool Gen 13. Both are very similar and slightly different. I think they perform within about 3-5C of each other at best. But the Supercool is better than EKWB Direct Die. 

Direct Die is a game changer! 

If they fix it the EKWB DD kit should be fine. If they do not, then I will lap the cold plate and see if I can fix it. But, as shipped it is no better than using the IHS and a total waste of time and money. The problem seems to be the cold plate is not flat. It is shaped for a concave surface as you would expect using an IHS. That messes up contact between the block and die. The Supercool kit is definitely better by a lot due to the flawed cold plate on the EKWB DD.

[tps3443]

MSI Unify-X DDR5 8000 is throwing down! First attempt with the KS, can’t believe it’s actually stable so far. Amazing board. 
 

[Etern4l]

33 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

"""The KS model has the same default profile as the 13900K but also has its own new Extreme Power Profile that allows for a 320W PL1/PL2 and 400A ceiling. You'll need to ensure that your motherboard can deliver the peak current if you want to unleash the full power of the KS, as not all motherboards can for a long period of time. Motherboard vendors allow assigning a higher ICCMax value in the BIOS, typically under settings like "Core/CPU Current Limit" (the name varies by mobo maker), but that doesn't mean the motherboard can actually deliver that amount of current. Obviously, B- and H-series boards don't make the cut."""

^As for the power of the 13900KS, this would make it have a better warranty I suppose lol. 


@Mr. Fox is using a SuperCool Gen 12. I sent him my old one. I am running a Super Cool Gen 13. Both are very similar and slightly different. I think they perform within about 3-5C of each other at best. But the Supercool is better than EKWB Direct Die. 

Direct Die is a game changer! 

 

Thanks, that clarifies it, we are past Intel's specs at this point :) MEG ACE is very similar to MEG Unify-X, just more AIO&PCIe vs 2-slot RAM basically, almost identical VRM setup.

 

https://storage-asset.msi.com/datasheet/mb/global/MEG-Z690-UNIFY-X.pdf

https://storage-asset.msi.com/datasheet/mb/global/MEG-Z690-ACE.pdf

 

Yes, sounds like direct die might justify an upgrade from my current turbo-AIO setup, thanks for the earlier pump suggestions from @Mr. Fox and @Papusan BTW. However, it needs its own contact frame, and that's a red flag for me after the earlier contact frame fiasco. It'd be kind of a one-way street. I mean low eighties under full load (with fans nowhere near 100%) is nothing to worry about. Plus I am not benching per se, but rather optimising for sustained load, so I don't want to/cannot squeeze max power out of the system.

[tps3443]

2 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Thanks, that clarifies it, we are past Intel's specs at this point 🙂 MEG ACE is very similar to MEG Unify-X, just more AIO&PCIe vs 2-slot RAM basically, almost identical VRM setup.

 

https://storage-asset.msi.com/datasheet/mb/global/MEG-Z690-UNIFY-X.pdf

https://storage-asset.msi.com/datasheet/mb/global/MEG-Z690-ACE.pdf

 

Yes, sounds like direct die might justify an upgrade from my current turbo-AIO setup, thanks for the earlier pump suggestions from @Mr. Fox and @Papusan BTW. However, it needs its own contact frame, and that's a red flag for me after the earlier contact frame fiasco. Plus I am not benching per se, but rather optimising for sustained load, so I don't want to/cannot squeeze max power out of the system.

Yep! I do not doubt your motherboard friend, I was just quoting a review site, I copied and pasted lol. Any Z690/Z790 should do the trick! 
 

 

[Mr. Fox]

17 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Thanks, that clarifies it, we are past Intel's specs at this point 🙂 MEG ACE is very similar to MEG Unify-X, just more AIO&PCIe vs 2-slot RAM basically, almost identical VRM setup.

 

https://storage-asset.msi.com/datasheet/mb/global/MEG-Z690-UNIFY-X.pdf

https://storage-asset.msi.com/datasheet/mb/global/MEG-Z690-ACE.pdf

 

Yes, sounds like direct die might justify an upgrade from my current turbo-AIO setup, thanks for the earlier pump suggestions from @Mr. Fox and @Papusan BTW. However, it needs its own contact frame, and that's a red flag for me after the earlier contact frame fiasco. It'd be kind of a one-way street. I mean low eighties under full load (with fans nowhere near 100%) is nothing to worry about. Plus I am not benching per se, but rather optimising for sustained load, so I don't want to/cannot squeeze max power out of the system.

I like the CPU frame mainly because it provides some extra protection to the CPU SMDs and socket running liquid metal. You could actually omit the screws and just use the water block to press the CPU into the pins. The danger there is only during disassembly. You don't want the CPU to stick to the block initially, then come loose and fall into the open CPU socket and bend the pins or damage the CPU. But, if you do the washer mod it will be good enough. Using 1.0mm nylon washers between the ILM and mobo PCB gave me the same results as the CPU frame and it was enough pressure to have proper pin contact.

[johnksss]

53 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

MSI Unify-X DDR5 8000 is throwing down! First attempt with the KS, can’t believe it’s actually stable so far. Amazing board. 
 

When you say stable...what do you mean by that exactly?

[tps3443]

24 minutes ago, johnksss said:

When you say stable...what do you mean by that exactly?

Gaming. Playing Battlefield 2042, and shader compile on The last of Us. 
 

I honestly feel like my 13900K may have been IMC limited now seeing this. 
 

I can hit 8000 from a full bios reset and not touch any supporting voltages. Just DDR5 8K and boot to windows! Shocking.

 

Is it truly stable? I have no idea. I’ll find out.

[johnksss]

5 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Gaming. Playing Battlefield 2042, and shader compile on The last of Us. 
 

I honestly feel like my 13900K may have been IMC limited now seeing this. 
 

I can hit 8000 from a full bios reset and not touch any supporting voltages. Just DDR5 8K and boot to windows! Shocking.

 

Is it truly stable? I have no idea. I’ll find out.

Okay, because I was thinking along the lines of memory running at 8K stable. not your cpu.

[tps3443]

2 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Okay, because I was thinking along the lines of memory running at 8K stable. not your cpu.

It’s absolutely stable at DDR5 8000 so far. I’m still working right now actually on several virtual machines and 6.1Ghz and DDR5 8000. If I run a ram stability test, it’s just gonna overheat and error out though once it hits 45C.

 

My memory is air cooled 😔

[johnksss]

6 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

It’s absolutely stable at DDR5 8000 so far. I’m still working right now actually on several virtual machines and 6.1Ghz and DDR5 8000. If I run a ram stability test, it’s just gonna overheat and error out though once it hits 45C.

 

My memory is air cooled 😔

Ah, okay. so not stability stable, but light load stable. got it.

[tps3443]

@Mr. Fox

Ghost Spectre Windows 11 Superlite Version | TechLatest (tech-latest.com)

 

Click that ^ Link scroll download and download this one.

 

It’s all versions, and during install lets you pick Superlite, or compact, with or without defender. And it has a company prompt on desktop that lets you simply add features like DirectX,.NET frame work. Etc. 

 

I have Win 11 Spectre Superlite without defender installed. And I added Xbox game pass from command prompt. It’s really nice! Performance is amazing. 

 

 

 

UPDATE: if you see an error during the install just go back and retry it will work the 2nd go around. 

[Talon]

44 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Gaming. Playing Battlefield 2042, and shader compile on The last of Us. 
 

I honestly feel like my 13900K may have been IMC limited now seeing this. 
 

I can hit 8000 from a full bios reset and not touch any supporting voltages. Just DDR5 8K and boot to windows! Shocking.

 

Is it truly stable? I have no idea. I’ll find out.

 

My best IMC is my SP106 13900K. My KS could not run 8000 without pumping the IMC voltage. My 13900K is godlike and easily does 8200 SR and I'm using 64gb in Dual Rank 7466 CL34 1.35v IMC and 1.455 VDD/VDDQ. I also have another K that could not run 8000 easily. So the IMC lottery to get 8000+ with 13900K is real. You could get a banger core/cache and shit IMC or opposite. Which is why I main my 13900K and the 13900KS in my rig that isn't even in use right now lol (no GPU). 

 

Sold my 4090 FE hoping Nvidia would drop the Ti or Titan soon and didn't want to have to take such a loss on it. Figure I'll use my laptop when I'm in the mood to living room game or when were using it to stream to the TV, and my second rig goes back to it's intended purpose, a hand me down rig. 

[tps3443]

5 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

My best IMC is my SP106 13900K. My KS could not run 8000 without pumping the IMC voltage. My 13900K is godlike and easily does 8200 SR and I'm using 64gb in Dual Rank 7466 CL34 1.35v IMC and 1.455 VDD/VDDQ. I also have another K that could not run 8000 easily. So the IMC lottery to get 8000+ with 13900K is real. You could get a banger core/cache and shit IMC or opposite. Which is why I main my 13900K and the 13900KS in my rig that isn't even in use right now lol (no GPU). 

 

Sold my 4090 FE hoping Nvidia would drop the Ti or Titan soon and didn't want to have to take such a loss on it. Figure I'll use my laptop when I'm in the mood to living room game or when were using it to stream to the TV. 

You're right! I had no IDEA I was IMC limited! I was thinking this earlier as well. I thought I was motherboard, or even memory limited all this time. And seeing my 13900KS just boom bang, what's up, DDR5 8000, posted and in windows gaming/benching/working no effort at all lol. 🥳 

This chip is MC79, did not check IMC on my 13900K, I pulled that crappy Apex out already. 

[Mr. Fox]

11 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

My best IMC is my SP106 13900K. My KS could not run 8000 without pumping the IMC voltage. My 13900K is godlike and easily does 8200 SR and I'm using 64gb in Dual Rank 7466 CL34 1.35v IMC and 1.455 VDD/VDDQ. I also have another K that could not run 8000 easily. So the IMC lottery to get 8000+ with 13900K is real. You could get a banger core/cache and shit IMC or opposite. Which is why I main my 13900K and the 13900KS in my rig that isn't even in use right now lol (no GPU). 

 

Sold my 4090 FE hoping Nvidia would drop the Ti or Titan soon and didn't want to have to take such a loss on it. Figure I'll use my laptop when I'm in the mood to living room game or when were using it to stream to the TV, and my second rig goes back to it's intended purpose, a hand me down rig. 

What is the IMC SP rating on that 13900K?

[tps3443]

28 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

What is the IMC SP rating on that 13900K?

I never checked it’s MC SP. 

[Mr. Fox]

31 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I never checked it’s MC SP. 

That question was for @Talonregarding his IMC SP rating.

 

New version of RivaTuner. Looks like new features and fixes.

 

https://www.guru3d.com/files_details/rtss_rivatuner_statistics_server_download.html

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

@Mr. Fox

Ghost Spectre Windows 11 Superlite Version | TechLatest (tech-latest.com)

 

Click that ^ Link scroll download and download this one.

 

It’s all versions, and during install lets you pick Superlite, or compact, with or without defender. And it has a company prompt on desktop that lets you simply add features like DirectX,.NET frame work. Etc. 

 

I have Win 11 Spectre Superlite without defender installed. And I added Xbox game pass from command prompt. It’s really nice! Performance is amazing. 

 

 

 

UPDATE: if you see an error during the install just go back and retry it will work the 2nd go around. 

Dang, bro... just now getting ready to install it and I am already impressed on the first screen of Windows Setup. If the OS is as slick as the Setup Environment it will be something really special.

[Talon]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

What is the IMC SP rating on that 13900K?

 

@tps3443 Sounds like you got a good MC! There are tons of people that are struggling to get a proper 13900K/KS MC to get 8000+. It's a real lottery, just like Gear 1 3866+ was for 11th gen. 

 

Just re-ran the SP and it shows SP71 lol. I think it has to be stock to get an accurate reading, but it previously showed 76 I believe. Either way I don't put much stock in the MC SP, it's just not accurate IMO. I had a 13900KS with SP80 MC and it also had trouble with 8000 at same volts. So MC SP is a joke IMO. You gotta test each chip. 

 

I've stopped chasing or changing my Asus BIOS/ME. I had an ME/BIOS revision jack up my stability previously. I've been rock stable for over a month at my current 7466 CL34 Dual Rank setup and I'm super happy. Newer BIOS and ME is out, but I'm not upgrading until I see a reason. Especially since Asus bundles BIOS with ME and you CANNOT roll back. That is total BS. 

[Papusan]

7 hours ago, tps3443 said:

hey man, a KS is a KS!!! Direct die and roll on. 

I couldn’t get anything more out of even an SP117 13900KS. So, I’m really wondering what’s the point? KS is just good either way! 

Did you test this with custom cooling/AIO or just your chiller? If it was the chiller I can see this is about correct. But not with an AIO that will push the chips above +90C and stability problems. 

 

Going with an SP117 will clearly help if you are on a weaker cooling (if leakage is about the same for both chips). 

[tps3443]

18 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Did you test this with custom cooling/AIO or just your chiller? If it was the chiller I can see this is about correct. But not with an AIO that will push the chips above +90C and stability problems. 

 

Going with an SP117 will clearly help if you are on a weaker cooling (if leakage is about the same for both chips). 

 

I tested all chips under the exact same conditions. Chiller is set the same everyday and the water is 15 low 18C high. Direct die Supercool Gen13.
 

The SP117 was always -0.050 better at the same frequencies. 
 

If I had to pick 

 

SP117= $1,500 6.1/4.8/5.2 

SP104= $803 6.1/4.8/5.1

 

I would take my SP104, it overclocks just as good with only a bit more voltage. 
 

It may do better on an AIO. But, overclocking a 13900KS on an AIO seems silly to me. I would run one stock and be happy with it, if I had an AIO. 
 

@Talon I think so! I’m over the moon with the low 104 SP KS lol. Amazing chip man. I’m content.