*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[johnksss]

5 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Thanks! Tested my 12900K SP92 again, and even on this newest BIOS the IMC is total shit compared to my 12900KS. Can barely post 6667, instant BSOD upon windows load. My 12900KS didn't even BSOD with 7000Mhz, I just wasn't able to get it stable yet. I am keeping the KS I have, and will return the new/old depending on which one is better. I have a feeling the new KS chips have improved IMCs looking at what you got with your Hero board too. I'm going to bring it with me just in case they won't let me purchase a second one since it's "limit 1 per household". 

Sounds like it might be time to dump the SP92.

 

I'm not sure what I'm going to do, but I do not see me keeping two chips.

[Mr. Fox]

59 minutes ago, johnksss said:

That is just going to slow it down even further I'm afraid.

I will turn it off when I am chasing numbers after I figure out how to get my GPU to perform as well or better than it used to and not drop clocks under load. It may be something at a hardware level because this behavior started when I disassembled and cleaned the Hydro Cooper. I didn't have the issue of not holding clocks under load before and it acts like it might be a thermal issue. It behaves like it would as the GPU gets hotter, not running on cold water, but none of the sensors suggest it is. This began before the change to Z690, so at least I don't have to wonder if it is something other than the GPU.

[johnksss]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I will turn it off when I am chasing numbers after I figure out how to get my GPU to perform as well or better than it used to and not drop clocks under load. It may be something at a hardware level because this behavior started when I disassembled and cleaned the Hydro Cooper. I didn't have the issue of not holding clocks under load before and it acts like it might be a thermal issue. It behaves like it would as the GPU gets hotter, not running on cold water, but none of the sensors suggest it is. This began before the change to Z690, so at least I don't have to wonder if it is something other than the GPU.

Could be os related...

 

Side note. Mine have never ever held the over clock. 

[Mr. Fox]

20 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Could be os related...

 

Side note. Mine have never ever held the over clock. 

If that is the case, maybe an "error" in assembly the first time I installed the Hydro Copper produced a favorable malfunction this was unfortunately corrected when I reassembled it after cleaning. Maybe I will get lucky and make the same "mistake" again, like over tightening a specific screw or shorting something out that causes it to malfunction in a highly desirable manner that neither EVGA nor NVIDIA intended. I hope so anyway. Sometimes malfunction is a good thing, LOL. Depends on whose definition applies.

 

I certainly don't like it how it is now. I haven't been very successful at GPU benchmarks since I cleaned it. Maybe just a remnant of my streak of bad luck. At least it still works. So I can be thankful I didn't have an accident that killed it like I did the 11900K or the golden 10900K I bought from Talon.

[johnksss]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

If that is the case, maybe an "error" in assembly the first time I installed the Hydro Copper produced a favorable malfunction this was unfortunately corrected when I reassembled it after cleaning. Maybe I will get lucky and make the same "mistake" again, like over tightening a specific screw or shorting something out that causes it to malfunction in a highly desirable manner that neither EVGA nor NVIDIA intended. I hope so anyway. Sometimes malfunction is a good thing, LOL. Depends on whose definition applies.

 

I certainly don't like it how it is now. I haven't been very successful at GPU benchmarks since I cleaned it. Maybe just a remnant of my streak of bad luck. At least it still works. So I can be thankful I didn't have an accident that killed it like I did the 11900K or the golden 10900K I bought from Talon.

I would say, throw in a temp drive with fresh windows and only the nvidia driver, pe1 and port royal. and then see what it gets as a stock score.

 

I have been doing plenty of reinstalls as of late due to unforeseen stuff happening in the background. Might have to do another reinstall as we speak. lol

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

11 minutes ago, johnksss said:

I would say, throw in a temp drive with fresh windows and only the nvidia driver, pe1 and port royal. and then see what it gets as a stock score.

 

I have been doing plenty of reinstalls as of late due to unforeseen stuff happening in the background. Might have to do another reinstall as we speak. lol

 

 

I may try that, but I have 2 versions of W10,  W11 and W7 and the behavior is the same on all of them. It is not only Port Royal, but all benchmarks right now. It is only coincidental that I am focusing on Port Royal, which is kind of ironic because it is the one I care the least about. All of the OSes are clean installs (in an effort to fix this, in fact).

 

I just remembered another change I made when I cleaned the block. I had totally forgotten about it. Actually two changes. I can try undoing both. One is the full back plate thermal pad. The other (which I will try first) is I set all of the dip switches to the optional position. That may be conflicting with using Classified and causing something unexpected. Are your dip switches set to factory defaults? I totally forgot about changing the dip switches. That could be it right there.

[johnksss]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I may try that, but I have 2 versions of W10,  W11 and W7 and the behavior is the same on all of them. It is not only Port Royal, but all benchmarks right now. It is only coincidental that I am focusing on Port Royal, which is kind of ironic because it is the one I care the least about. All of the OSes are clean installs (in an effort to fix this, in fact).

 

I just remembered another change I made when I cleaned the block. I had totally forgotten about it. Actually two changes. I can try undoing both. One is the full back plate thermal pad. The other (which I will try first) is I set all of the dip switches to the optional position. That may be conflicting with using Classified and causing something unexpected. Are your dip switches set to factory defaults? I totally forgot about changing the dip switches. That could be it right there.

Hummmm, my switches are still set to default and I haven't went above 1.2V with classy tool either. I had just assumed that those were set to default already to rule them out.

 

Also check to make sure GPU is in fact running at X16 or X8 and not X4 or X1.

 

And maybe lift the GPU out of it's socket and place it back in place.

 

Edit:

And it could be memory as well....

[Mr. Fox]

13 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Hummmm, my switches are still set to default and I haven't went above 1.2V with classy tool either. I had just assumed that those were set to default already to rule them out.

 

Also check to make sure GPU is in fact running at X16 or X8 and not X4 or X1.

 

And maybe lift the GPU out of it's socket and place it back in place.

 

Edit:

And it could be memory as well....

I just totally spaced it off until now about the dip switches. I don't remember if I was on X570 Crosshair or Z590 Dark when I took the block apart for cleaning, but in either case that is when I changed them. At the time I thought, I should test this and see what changes. I got busy with other things and didn't do any benching for a while. Then when I came back to it all my scores were lower and the GPU core clocks were dropping like they never had before. 

 

I just pulled the GPU so I could see the dip switches and put them all back to the "off" position. So, two of the suggestions were handled in that one operation. GPU is running x16 4.0. Are your defaults in Classified and PX1 with the 520W vBIOS the same as this?

 

Boost Lock On:

Boost Lock Off (and Classified Tool reset after that change, since Boost Lock changes that in Classified):

 

[johnksss]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I just totally spaced it off until now about the dip switches. I don't remember if I was on X570 Crosshair or Z590 Dark when I took the block apart for cleaning, but in either case that is when I changed them. At the time I thought, I should test this and see what changes. I got busy with other things and didn't do any benching for a while. Then when I came back to it all my scores were lower and the GPU core clocks were dropping like they never had before. 

 

I just pulled the GPU so I could see the dip switches and put them all back to the "off" position. So, two of the suggestions were handled in that one operation. GPU is running x16 4.0. Are your defaults in Classified and PX1 with the 520W vBIOS the same as this?

 

Boost Lock On:

Boost Lock Off (and Classified Tool reset after that change, since Boost Lock changes that in Classified):

 

Yes, that's is about exactly what mine looks like. Now set the watts to max and run a port royal bench and see where you land with that.

[Talon]

Wow my luck is just bad with CPUs lately. My second chip from MC is SP86. How the hell are these "binned". All they did was shove a ton of voltage down this chip and pray someone has a crazy loop to cool it. It will be back at MC in the morning when they open. Possibly both. If it can't run stock on a 360mm AIO without thermal throttling then it's not an acceptable chip. 

[johnksss]

4 minutes ago, Talon said:

Wow my luck is just bad with CPUs lately. My second chip from MC is SP86. How the hell are these "binned". All they did was shove a ton of voltage down this chip and pray someone has a crazy loop to cool it. It will be back at MC in the morning when they open. Possibly both. If it can't run stock on a 360mm AIO without thermal throttling then it's not an acceptable chip. 

Sorry to hear that!

 

What is the batch number?

[Mr. Fox]

34 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Yes, that's is about exactly what mine looks like. Now set the watts to max and run a port royal bench and see where you land with that.

I will do that later this evening. I am not at my computer right now. Just max the watts slider with PX1 and leave everything else on defaults?

[Talon]

23 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Sorry to hear that!

 

What is the batch number?

 

Similar to SP88 chip. X206D795.

 

It crashed CB20 at 5.1 P cores, no Es, 1.143v. 

 

My SP88 does 1.092v and passes no issues. The silicon quality variance is wild on these things. Even my SP92 K can do 1.10v and pass same test. That should have never made it into the KS pile. 

[electrosoft]

8 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Similar to SP88 chip. X206D795.

 

It crashed CB20 at 5.1 P cores, no Es, 1.143v. 

 

My SP88 does 1.092v and passes no issues. The silicon quality variance is wild on these things. Even my SP92 K can do 1.10v and pass same test. That should have never made it into the KS pile. 

 

That second one is trash, but looking at some of the 12900ks chips over on the other forums and the statistics from BZ, there are a serious amount of crap in there.

 

I don't think I have it in me to bin out 5 12900k's again with 12900ks chips. I ordered one launch day from best buy in their initial batch and it's sitting at BB waiting for pickup. I'm still going back and forth....

 

 

[Talon]

57 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

That second one is trash, but looking at some of the 12900ks chips over on the other forums and the statistics from BZ, there are a serious amount of crap in there.

 

I don't think I have it in me to bin out 5 12900k's again with 12900ks chips. I ordered one launch day from best buy in their initial batch and it's sitting at BB waiting for pickup. I'm still going back and forth....

 

 

 

At least I saw that both do have good IMCs. So the more I see the more I'm thinking they may have improved the IMCs. 

 

@electrosoft Do you remember what your power consumption was like for 5.3Ghz all cores in CB23? I'm looking at 252w for 5.3/4.0. Not great, not terrible. 

 

 

Working on stabilizing 6800Mhz CL32 now. If I can get this stable I shoot for 7000Mhz. 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, johnksss said:

Yes, that's is about exactly what mine looks like. Now set the watts to max and run a port royal bench and see where you land with that.

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I will do that later this evening. I am not at my computer right now. Just max the watts slider with PX1 and leave everything else on defaults?

OK, here it is. It might have been those dip switches that I forgot about. Notice the GPU core clocks are a flat-line all the way across. I will know more when I fire up the chiller and see how it looks with an overclock, but that flat-line is how it used to look whether stock or up to my max stable 2250. It would stay exactly where I put it, or it would crash if it couldn't be pushed that far, but none of that retarded dynamic bouncy clocking bullcrap. I really don't like that spastic behavior at all, LOL... for CPU or GPU.

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

At least I saw that both do have good IMCs. So the more I see the more I'm thinking they may have improved the IMCs. 

 

@electrosoft Do you remember what your power consumption was like for 5.3Ghz all cores in CB23? I'm looking at 252w for 5.3/4.0. Not great, not terrible. 

 

 

Working on stabilizing 6800Mhz CL32 now. If I can get this stable I shoot for 7000Mhz. 

 

Yeah, that's way better than mine @ 5.3/4.0. I'm at 295w CB23 on 1304 D4 sitting in the high 90s on an AC LF II 420mm.

 

252w for 5.3 / 4.0 seems pretty decent IMHO.

 

 

[Talon]

9 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Yeah, that's way better than mine @ 5.3/4.0. I'm at 295w CB23 on 1304 D4 sitting in the high 90s on an AC LF II 420mm.

 

252w for 5.3 / 4.0 seems pretty decent IMHO.

 

 

 

Thanks for confirming! Honestly the thing I'm happiest about with these new chips is the IMC being able to push my mem clocks up. I need a 2 dimm board. 

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I just don't get this. More voltage, less voltage, load clock sucks. Max core temp is under 40°C. Pretty much kills benching fun.

 

 

5 hours ago, johnksss said:

Oh, it will update that as well, just not with the right bios for it is all.

 

RTSS? Is that what you are using to boost fps or something?

 

 

This is on stock voltage as well.... So I would not just pass off the 520W vbios so easily....

 

5 hours ago, johnksss said:

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/74121956

 

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I will turn it off when I am chasing numbers after I figure out how to get my GPU to perform as well or better than it used to and not drop clocks under load. It may be something at a hardware level because this behavior started when I disassembled and cleaned the Hydro Cooper. I didn't have the issue of not holding clocks under load before and it acts like it might be a thermal issue. It behaves like it would as the GPU gets hotter, not running on cold water, but none of the sensors suggest it is. This began before the change to Z690, so at least I don't have to wonder if it is something other than the GPU.

 

20 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

OK, here it is. It might have been those dip switches that I forgot about. Notice the GPU core clocks are a flat-line all the way across. I will know more when I fire up the chiller and see how it looks with an overclock, but that flat-line is how it used to look whether stock or up to my max stable 2250. It would stay exactly where I put it, or it would crash if it couldn't be pushed that far, but none of that retarded dynamic bouncy clocking bullcrap. I really don't like that spastic behavior at all, LOL... for CPU or GPU. 

 

It seems like that is what the problem was. So, all this time I haven't been benching because I thought something was messed up with my GPU and it turns out it was because I forgot about them silly dip switches. I guess that makes ME the DIP, LOL.

Here is a "hot" run (51°C with no chiller) using a heavy memory overclock and modest core overclock. Still static core clocks except for the 30MHz thermally induced drop in frequency. The sad part is, that is less than 700 3DMarks lower than my highest score achieved with the dip switches set to the "on" position.

 

[johnksss]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I will do that later this evening. I am not at my computer right now. Just max the watts slider with PX1 and leave everything else on defaults?

Yes The score should be somewhere between 14000- 14600.

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

OK, here it is. It might have been those dip switches that I forgot about. Notice the GPU core clocks are a flat-line all the way across. I will know more when I fire up the chiller and see how it looks with an overclock, but that flat-line is how it used to look whether stock or up to my max stable 2250. It would stay exactly where I put it, or it would crash if it couldn't be pushed that far, but none of that retarded dynamic bouncy clocking bullcrap. I really don't like that spastic behavior at all, LOL... for CPU or GPU.

 

I must be missing something because the first picture you posted had clocks flatline in the 15,6K run posted earlier?

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

 

 

 

It seems like that is what the problem was. So, all this time I haven't been benching because I thought something was messed up with my GPU and it turns out it was because I forgot about them silly dip switches. I guess that makes ME the DIP, LOL.

Here is a "hot" run (51°C with no chiller) using a heavy memory overclock and modest core overclock. Still static core clocks except for the 30MHz thermally induced drop in frequency. The sad part is, that is less than 700 3DMarks lower than my highest score achieved with the dip switches set to the "on" position.

 

Well damn. LOL

 

Glad you got it sorted out in the end. Now keep going with the stock 520W bios and see what you can do with it. Pretty sure you can get to or beat your best score with it.

 

Edit:

Here is a hot run as well.

 

Not much improvement with water at 30.2C and higher clock 😂

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I must be missing something because the first picture you posted had clocks flatline in the 15,6K run posted earlier?

That is because I had boost locked. The core was set to 2250 but only held 2160. Without boost locked it varied between about 1950 and 2190 but constantly changing and always substantially lower clocks than expected 

 

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

Glad you got it sorted out in the end. Now keep going with the stock 520W bios and see what you can do with it. Pretty sure you can get to or beat your best score with it.

Me too. I hope so. Still need to verify it on chilled water at higher clocks first. But, it is definitely looking better.

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Thanks for confirming! Honestly the thing I'm happiest about with these new chips is the IMC being able to push my mem clocks up. I need a 2 dimm board. 

 

Much better IMC and 5.3/4.0 @ 253w? I'd call that a wrap and dial it in personally. I agree about 2 dimm board. 4 dimms is just more trouble than it's worth with ADL. MSI boards have the best luck with 4 dimm DDR4 and even then 2 DIMMs give you more headroom. 4 DIMMs DDR5 it's a no brainer and everyone is running 2 DIMMs in their 4 DIMM boards. Wasted traces and potential issues.

[johnksss]

59 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

That is because I had boost locked. The core was set to 2250 but only held 2160. Without boost locked it varied between about 1950 and 2190 but constantly changing and always substantially lower clocks than expected 

 

Me too. I hope so. Still need to verify it on chilled water at higher clocks first. But, it is definitely looking better.

Ah, okay. got it.

[Talon]

 

 

Run for the night. Unfortunately it's not cool outside so cracking the window isn't going to help. 

 

Decided to hold this one back for the leaderboard until I need to use it. 🙂 

[johnksss]

28 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

 

Run for the night. Unfortunately it's not cool outside so cracking the window isn't going to help. 

 

Decided to hold this one back for the leaderboard until I need to use it. 🙂 

Yes, until you need it....I did that and forgot I had benchmarks saved. lol