*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[ryan]

nice freebee @Papusan not bad at all. Im thinking of getting a refurbished desktop on the 27th. I might just bite the bullet and piece it out. buy one or two components each month, gives me time to learn how to piece it all together, probably not very difficult. Best buy has a ton of good deals on refurbished desktops and now its just a matter of finding the best deal.

[cylix]

 

[Etern4l]

27 minutes ago, cylix said:

 

Clickbait IMHO. Given the number of hacks involved in supposedly getting this to work, I bet the whole thing would quickly fold under heavy load. 

[ryan]

watched the video its not click bait. But I think it doesn't delve in deep enough to explain anything other than he bought 8000mhz ram and is using it. kinda funny

[Etern4l]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

watched the video its not click bait. But I think it doesn't delve in deep enough to explain anything other than he bought 8000mhz ram and is using it. kinda funny

 

Thanks, given your massive experience with DDR5 overclocking, that opinion really means a lot.

On a more basic level, looks like you missed the part where he mentioned all the BIOS tweaks. Relatively little discussion of testing though (just skipped through most of it, so apologies if I missed that). In my experience it's very difficult to get DDR5 OC hacks to work really long term stable, so this stuff is good for some light benching or gaming, and then people end up saying ridiculous things like "great setup, passed all the tests - just crashed in BF or The Last of Us".  Most synthetic memory test tools (including the free, 8-core limited, version of Memtest86) are surprisingly bad at picking up anything other than gross memory faults.

[ryan]

woah a touch on the mean side.

 

anyways onto more positive things broke my old score.

 

 

more to life than being M, benchmarking 😛

 

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[Etern4l]

It’s just the weight of experience bro. Had you wasted as much time as me following more or less useless online memory OC tips, you would be firm on the matter as well 🙂

[Mr. Fox]

Sometimes Bill's videos can be too painful and boring to watch from end to end. The guy is super smart, but there is often too much rambling about stuff I don't care about. The problem is if you skip through it and don't pay close attention you can miss something really important because he sprinkles valuable little nuggets here and there among the ramblings. So, it is best to endure the rambling if you want to extract useful information. I've gotten a lot of useful information from his videos, but I don't watch them if my time is limited or my attention is divided. I do enjoy his smugness and sarcasm, and I think I would get along with him well at a personal level.

 

I suspect that he has less experience with AMD memory overclocking. Most of his videos relates to GPUs and Intel-powered systems. The concepts are similar but the difference in working values and settings are often misleading or not understood. Some settings on one platform do not exist on the other, or they are obscured by different terminology and naming conventions. Beyond benchmark scores it can be difficult to compare Intel and AMD overclocking. What works for one often will not work for the other.

 

At the end of the day, the only things that matters are the experience and the benchmark scores. If you're not happy with both, or frustrated with the experience, then you're on the wrong path and need to do something else.

[Reciever]

21 minutes ago, ryan said:

woah a touch on the mean side.

 

anyways onto more positive things broke my old score.

 

 

more to life than being M, benchmarking 😛

 

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When you speak in a public domain, you will be subject to criticism, such is life. Hertzian left because he got a slap on the hand for posting swastika's, not due to "negativity", then proceeded to break numerous rules on his way out, and is still welcome to post here but Im sure ego will prevent that from occurring.

[Mr. Fox]

The mirrored video image is a little bit annoying, but otherwise this is pretty crazy stuff. Incredible that it actually worked. Brother @ryanI bet you could get back into desktops without a huge investment doing it this way.

 

 

[Papusan]

On 8/10/2023 at 3:09 AM, Papusan said:

It worked completely fine so it has to be good... Maybe the blue color was the reason for the slow melt? What color on the adapter will reduce the chance for melt and fire? The red or the blue pill adapter?😀 What color is it on your adapter @electrosoft Maybe take the chance if the adapter is Red?😁 Even the shipping carton CM use is of bad quality.

 

 

Yep, there are some stupids out there...

 

 

On 8/10/2023 at 10:39 PM, Papusan said:

Is there any official Recall statement or something like it from Cablemod about 90-180 deg. adapters?

 

 

Maybe every company out there should do the same so they don't destroy own reputation? Aka being slammed by media. Etc Dell sneak in unwanted firmware so their crapware perform worse. What a dishonest business. 

 

What a Joke....  We are rewarding all early adopters who purchased a V1 Angled Adapter.

 

Why not offer badges as well ? As etc with the text....I have been screwed by CableMod....

Or "I was the lucky one"... No melting.

 

 

 

Dang. The black colored CM adapters won't help to stop the melting. Yep, not even "all black"😀Hmmm, LOOL

Thought I got one of the good adapters, never smelled plastic or had power/black screen issues, but I went to take the adapter off anyways so that I could just use my PSU's 12VHPWR cable until I got the v1.1 and 😭

On 8/11/2023 at 4:04 AM, Papusan said:

Here's an new old desktop. This one have almost exactly the same CPU air cooler as Dell use for their new modern high end  gaming flagship jokes, HaHa

Even Dell Alienwares brand new 2023 model have same cooler, LOOL

 

As you can see, Dell innovate as usual. And the chassis is the same old they have used the last decade. Only changed  some of the plastic details on the outside. I didn't know Dell was so funny. 

 

 

Very fun. The same cooler as the modern Alienware gaming flagship desktop is perfectly adequate for 54W CPU's. And Dell's thermal engineer Travis North think this mini air-cooler is good enough for 13th gen 13900K processors in their small pc chassis. No overheating here as the Alienware. Temp max out around 58C. I'm sure former Alienware boss Mr. Asor would be damn proud of the air cooler Lenovo opted for their mini desktops, LOOL

 

The new desktop have only a single DDR4 stick so will see if I can buy a cheap mem module for dual channel.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5329289_papusan_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_pentium_g4560_2264_cb?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5329556_papusan_cinebench___r20_pentium_g4560_864_cb?recalculate=true

 

Hmm... Is these pcie strimer extension kits with loads of bling bling popular? Or is it for the very few? What I see in these is only disgusting. I wonder how long I need to wait to see when bro @Mr. Fox will make reviews of them😁 Yep, it will be fun to see how his pc's will looks like 🙂

[seanwee]

23 hours ago, Papusan said:

Here's an new desktop. Will be used as backup or and an extra server. Got it for free so it will have a nice life in Papusan's plaza. I expect the cooling is on par with last gen Alienware Aurora desktop. This one have almost exactly the same air cooler as Dell used for their gaming flagship, HaHa

 

 

 

 

Here's Dell's gaming flagship with it's fantastic aiir cooler... The only difference between the Lenovo is the Cpu fan flip over on the opposite side😁

 

Even Dell Alienwares brand new 2023 model have same cooler, LOOL

 

As you can see, Dell innovate as usual. And the chassis is the same old they have used the last decade. Only changed  some of the plastic details on the outside. I didn't know Dell was so funny. 

 

Dell committed to their green promises and recycling old parts. (but we all know it's e-waste)

13 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Sometimes Bill's videos can be too painful and boring to watch from end to end. The guy is super smart, but there is often too much rambling about stuff I don't care about. The problem is if you skip through it and don't pay close attention you can miss something really important because he sprinkles valuable little nuggets here and there among the ramblings. So, it is best to endure the rambling if you want to extract useful information. I've gotten a lot of useful information from his videos, but I don't watch them if my time is limited or my attention is divided. I do enjoy his smugness and sarcasm, and I think I would get along with him well at a personal level.

 

I suspect that he has less experience with AMD memory overclocking. Most of his videos relates to GPUs and Intel-powered systems. The concepts are similar but the difference in working values and settings are often misleading or not understood. Some settings on one platform do not exist on the other, or they are obscured by different terminology and naming conventions. Beyond benchmark scores it can be difficult to compare Intel and AMD overclocking. What works for one often will not work for the other.

 

At the end of the day, the only things that matters are the experience and the benchmark scores. If you're not happy with both, or frustrated with the experience, then you're on the wrong path and need to do something else.

I owe my ram overclocking experience to BZ. Without his long videos (sprinkling greviences, pitfalls and past experiences) I wouldn't have stepped foot into ram overclocking.

 

 

[Papusan]

On 7/20/2023 at 1:18 PM, Rage Set said:

 

I picked up the EK-Nucleus 360 during the Newegg sale to test for myself, as it appears on top of the charts in most AIO reviews. Hopefully EK improved on its fan durability.

 

I plan on using it during test builds and when they are complete, move to either an air cooler or custom loop. I eagerly await your review. I am going to test it first with AMD. 

 

On 8/10/2023 at 8:34 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Here it is, bro. 👍

 

The latest entry in EK's treasure. the EK-Nucleus AIO CR360 DARK. They have introduced a host of enhancements over previous generations of their AIO offerings, including a new design of the CPU block and PWM pump. The new EK-Nucleus is available in both 240mm and 360mm variations, in white and black RGB, and the Dark (non-RGB) version that we are reviewing today. [read more here]

 

 

Great review as always bro Fox. Good job🙂 But look at this one below.... If you say the EK-Nucleus AIO CR360 DARK is close to custom cooling... Then look at this new fancy AIO from Lian li. 5C lower temp vs the EK AIO you reviewed under max load is quite good. I haven't taken account the noise level. Just the pure cooling performance. So this looks quite good. But I expect it will fall back vs an good custom cooling with loads north of 400W.

 

Conclusion:

I had expected the Galahad II’s performance to be, at best, a 1-2C improvement over it’s competitors. When I first measured these results, I literally couldn’t believe my eyes; a 9% improvement in cooling dissipation is practically unheard of in this market. 

 

 

 

Lian Li Galahad II Performance Review: A New Level of Liquid Cooling Excellence

 

The strongest AIO we’ve ever tested, at a reasonable price

 

 

 

[Raiderman]

2800mhz mem, 3200mhz core, bench stable with the new water block on the xtx!

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

 

Great review as always bro Fox. Good job🙂 But look at this one below.... If you say the EK-Nucleus AIO CR360 DARK is close to custom cooling... Then look at this new fancy AIO from Lian li. 5C lower temp vs the EK AIO you reviewed under max load is quite good. I haven't taken account the noise level. Just the pure cooling performance. So this looks quite good. But I expect it will fall back vs an good custom cooling with loads north of 400W.

 

Conclusion:

I had expected the Galahad II’s performance to be, at best, a 1-2C improvement over it’s competitors. When I first measured these results, I literally couldn’t believe my eyes; a 9% improvement in cooling dissipation is practically unheard of in this market. 

 

 

 

Lian Li Galahad II Performance Review: A New Level of Liquid Cooling Excellence

 

The strongest AIO we’ve ever tested, at a reasonable price

 

 

 

 

Look at the increased size of the block and refined cold plate. That thing looks and performs great noise normalized (lol, no thank you) and full tilt.

 

5c drop is pretty substantial.

 

They offer a 240mm version too with the same cooling system. That and the especially compact LxW of the mount makes it a potential ITX slayer too able to mount on just about every ITX board out there.

 

  

25 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

2800mhz mem, 3200mhz core, bench stable with the new water block on the xtx!

 

 

Yessir! At least one of us picked up the best air cooled 7900xtx out there and super sized it with water . Now you're cooking!

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

 

Great review as always bro Fox. Good job🙂 But look at this one below.... If you say the EK-Nucleus AIO CR360 DARK is close to custom cooling... Then look at this new fancy AIO from Lian li. 5C lower temp vs the EK AIO you reviewed under max load is quite good. I haven't taken account the noise level. Just the pure cooling performance. So this looks quite good. But I expect it will fall back vs an good custom cooling with loads north of 400W.

 

Conclusion:

I had expected the Galahad II’s performance to be, at best, a 1-2C improvement over it’s competitors. When I first measured these results, I literally couldn’t believe my eyes; a 9% improvement in cooling dissipation is practically unheard of in this market. 

 

 

 

Lian Li Galahad II Performance Review: A New Level of Liquid Cooling Excellence

 

The strongest AIO we’ve ever tested, at a reasonable price

 

 

 

Thank you, brother.

 

The question I would have is were the ambient temperatures at least 5°C lower than mine? I would guess my ambient temperature was at least 5°C higher. If that's true, maybe it's not better. did they disclose the ambient temperatures when testing each AIO and run the comparison with each system in the same operating conditions? If they did not then the results may not be accurate. If they did and did not disclose it, they should so that question does not go unanswered. I haven't read the review(s).

[Papusan]

23 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thank you, brother.

 

The question I would have is were the ambient temperatures at least 5°C lower than mine? I would guess my ambient temperature was at least 5°C higher. If that's true, maybe it's not better.

28 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

5c drop is pretty substantial.

 

This in bolded text above doesn't matter.

 

I hope they test the diffeent coolers at around same ambient. And the new Lian li cooler crushed the others (included the new EK Nucleus CR360 AIO). See... I don't compare with your review. This is within tests from Tomshardware'. 5C colder is massive gain with an AIO vs others as etc the EK Nucleus.

 

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Look at this.... Intel may going retarded. So they don't want that the Pc enhusiasts can reduce CPU temps anymore? Do they really hate delidding this much? Soon you can't touch the IHS before one of the caps scrap of the PCB. Why use caps all around the whole PCB? Stupid's!!!!!

 

 

https://wccftech.com/alleged-intel-meteor-lake-s-lga-1851-desktop-cpu-pictured-in-the-wild/

[Etern4l]

Was initially skeptical of that Tom review, but the specs are indeed awesome. The coldplate looks very similar to my DeepCool LT720, but that’s where the contest ends: the LianLi has a whopping 4200 RPM pump and a 32mm radiator (edit:  3000RPM fans are also included...). Game over, totally explains the performance improvement. Looks like the strongest 360 AIO on the market hands down. Shame about the proprietary fan connectors though. The preinstalled fans are not ideal either for people who would rather use third party options, but indeed those fans looks so strong most people would have little reason to upgrade them.

 

https://lian-li.com/product/galahad-ii-trinity-performance/

[Mr. Fox]

50 minutes ago, Papusan said:

This in bolded text above doesn't matter.

 

I hope they test the diffeent coolers at around same ambient. And the new Lian li cooler crushed the others (included the new EK Nucleus CR360 AIO). See... I don't compare with your review. This is within tests from Tomshardware'. 5C colder is massive gain with an AIO vs others as etc the EK Nucleus.

I was editing my post when my power went out because I tripped the circuit breaker while benching. I was going to change it to ask if they controlled the ambient temperatures in comparing the AIO results. If they did not disclose that and take the steps necessary to do that then the results may not be accurate for the comparison between any of them. Hopefully they did. I have not looked at the review.

 

Yeah that's extremely retarded about the caps around the perimeter of the IHS. I guess I would have to break out my soldering station to take the caps out of the way to do the delid and then solder them back again. I'm sure that someone like Roman will figure a way to do it because they did the same idiotic moron thing on the latest AMD processors with caps all around the perimeter. Where there's a will there's a way, but it's still idiotic that Intel or AMD would build a processor that way. Totally sucks.

 

I'm probably not going to upgrade anything for a long time so they'll have time to figure that out before I do, if I ever do. The way things are trending I can see myself losing interest in the hobby, and especially losing interest in wasting so much money on overpriced garbage.

[Mr. Fox]

53 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I was editing my post when my power went out because I tripped the circuit breaker while benching.

https://hwbot.org/submission/5329954_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/98374064

Same run above GPU score only: https://hwbot.org/submission/5329955_

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5329959_ | https://www.3dmark.com/spy/40812238

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5329976_ | https://valid.x86.fr/6fjmjp

CPU-Z bench single: 1025.3 | 18714.8

That's all for today. My ambient temperatures have increased and now the chiller can't get as cold as it was when I started. GPU boost won't go high enough.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yeah that's extremely retarded about the caps around the perimeter of the IHS. I guess I would have to break out my soldering station to take the caps out of the way to do the delid and then solder them back again. I'm sure that someone like Roman will figure a way to do it because they did the same idiotic moron thing on the latest AMD processors with caps all around the perimeter. Where there's a will there's a way, but it's still idiotic that Intel or AMD would build a processor that way. Totally sucks.

As you can see... No caps on top of the PCB for the newer Ryzen chips. Hence why you can delidde this Cpu. Intel should never ever start put caps on both sides on the PCB and with no wiggling room for the IHS to move. Hope they change own stupid ideas. Same also change to less sticky glue. And for the records.... Their helpers, the so called elite oc'ers (nowadays HW influencers) that promote them use LN2 and they don't usually remove the IHS. 

 

 

 

 

Btw. Gamers Nexus touch into the new Joke from Dell Alienware... Proprietary design to save the earth, LOOL

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

Was initially skeptical of that Tom review, but the specs are indeed awesome. The coldplate looks very similar to my DeepCool LT720, but that’s where the contest ends: the LianLi has a whopping 4200 RPM pump and a 32mm radiator (edit:  3000RPM fans are also included...). Game over, totally explains the performance improvement. Looks like the strongest 360 AIO on the market hands down. Shame about the proprietary fan connectors though. The preinstalled fans are not ideal either for people who would rather use third party options, but indeed those fans looks so strong most people would have little reason to upgrade them.

 

https://lian-li.com/product/galahad-ii-trinity-performance/

 

I think I'm going to pick up at least the 240mm version to swap into my ITX build. 13900ks is already running full tilt crazy cool with a low end ID Cooling 280mm. Let's see what this one will bring to the plate.

 

 

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Did they disclose the ambient temperatures when testing each AIO and run the comparison with each system in the same operating conditions? If they did not then the results may not be accurate. If they did and did not disclose it, they should so that question does not go unanswered. I haven't read the review(s)

 

From their test procedure....

 

Testing Methodology
All testing is performed at a 23 degrees Celsius ambient room temperature. Multiple thermal tests are run on each CPU to test the cooler in a variety of conditions, and acoustic measurements are taken with each result. These tests include: 

 

1. Noise-normalized testing at low noise levels

2. “Out-of-the-box”/default configuration thermal & acoustics testing.

     a.)  This means no power limits on Intel’s i7-13700K.

      b.) Because CPUs normally hit Tjmax in this scenario, the best way to compare cooling strength is by recording the total CPU package power consumption.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

From their test procedure....

 

Testing Methodology
All testing is performed at a 23 degrees Celsius ambient room temperature. Multiple thermal tests are run on each CPU to test the cooler in a variety of conditions, and acoustic measurements are taken with each result. These tests include: 

 

1. Noise-normalized testing at low noise levels

2. “Out-of-the-box”/default configuration thermal & acoustics testing.

     a.)  This means no power limits on Intel’s i7-13700K.

      b.) Because CPUs normally hit Tjmax in this scenario, the best way to compare cooling strength is by recording the total CPU package power consumption.

That's good. Glad they did that. As long as everything remains consistent in the testing, the other conditions are not that important if the intent is to compare them to one another. I took a similar approach to try to replicate the miserable state of tuning that would be likely on the average gamer noob setup. 

 

My office is seldom that cool. I wish I could keep it at 23°C or lower, but it is nearly impossible to get it that cool in the summer months. Usually 25-26°C (78-80°F) is about is cool as I can get it with the AC set to 69-70°F. I need to do something like add a booster fan in my central AC duct or something because the rest of the house stays nice and cool. Even in the dead of winter it is difficult to get it down to 69-70°F (20-21°C).

 

I think the main take-away from my cooler testing was confirmation of what all of us already knew. If you're using ambient cooling for air or water, you will never be able to be cooler than the environment, even with a zero degree delta. The fact that the EK AIO and my custom loop had nearly identical temperatures was a direct reflection of that law of physics.

[electrosoft]

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

This in bolded text above doesn't matter.

 

I hope they test the diffeent coolers at around same ambient. And the new Lian li cooler crushed the others (included the new EK Nucleus CR360 AIO). See... I don't compare with your review. This is within tests from Tomshardware'. 5C colder is massive gain with an AIO vs others as etc the EK Nucleus.

 

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Look at this.... Intel may going retarded. So they don't want that the Pc enhusiasts can reduce CPU temps anymore? Do they really hate delidding this much? Soon you can't touch the IHS before one of the caps scrap of the PCB. Why use caps all around the whole PCB? Stupid's!!!!!

 

 

https://wccftech.com/alleged-intel-meteor-lake-s-lga-1851-desktop-cpu-pictured-in-the-wild/

 

Incoming new retention frames because this is an even more extreme rectangle.

 

There will always be ways to delid even if you have to vice grip + heat gun and manually top/side lift the IHS off but it isn't mass market reproduce-able. Intel isn't trying to make it easier to delid their CPUs so cap placement isn't their concern. 😞