*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

39 minutes ago, ryan said:

just to show how much of a difference overclocking can make with these 3k gpus on laptops I scored 9200gpu and 9300-9400 overall with an overclock....heres my stock

 

 

Nice ~10% OC on the GPU. That can make the difference when you're trying to avoid those dips.

 

 

[johnksss]

15 hours ago, Papusan said:

I used Kapton tape. And always nice have something lying in the drawer. Useful for many things. Kapton tape is easier to cut down in correct size.

 

 

Can't come so much higher up. I'm in phase change cooler territory with my AIO

https://hwbot.org/submission/4976565_papusan_aquamark_geforce_gtx_760_(256bit)_531489_marks?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4976542_papusan_pifast_core_i9_12900k_10sec_0ms?recalculate=true

 

Guess what?

 

What are the odds?

😂

[Papusan]

35 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Guess what?

 

What are the odds?

😂

Dang. Fantastic. Probably small 🙂

[electrosoft]

Yeah, the IMC on this SP94 12900ks is superior too.

 

On my SP91 I topped out at 4000 on 2x16 DR B-Die  (4133 2x8 SR B-die).  on the 12900ks they booted right up at 4133 and ran just fine.

 

In addition, on the SP91 12900k the 2x16GB DR B-Die sticks could do 4000 but the bandwidth was capped at 58k and latency was 68n+ and they acted odd and laggy. Another reason I still stuck with 2x8GB @ 4000. With the SP94 12900k and these sticks, they are right where they should be pre-tuning.

 

[Talon]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Yeah, the IMC on this SP94 12900ks is superior too.

 

On my SP91 I topped out at 4000 on 2x16 DR B-Die  (4133 2x8 SR B-die).  on the 12900ks they booted right up at 4133 and ran just fine.

 

In addition, on the SP91 12900k the 2x16GB DR B-Die sticks could do 4000 but the bandwidth was capped at 58k and latency was 68n+ and they acted odd and laggy. Another reason I still stuck with 2x8GB @ 4000. With the SP94 12900k and these sticks, they are right where they should be pre-tuning.

 

 

Very nice! Seems like you got a golden chip for sure. Great SP, good VID balance and the IMC is strong. It's weird that the IMC seems to be improved across the board, like what under the hood changes have they made? 

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Very nice! Seems like you got a golden chip for sure. Great SP, good VID balance and the IMC is strong. It's weird that the IMC seems to be improved across the board, like what under the hood changes have they made? 

 

Only problem now is I need to re-certify my 2x8GB (part of my original 4x8GB) set of sticks to see where they will go past 4133 as I never took them that far before.

 

Using them on my Z390, they were 4x8 @ 4000

Using them on my 5800x its IF 1:1 crapped out basically at 3733

My best 11900k crapped out at 3933

My best 12900k was 4133

 

I'll end up putting them back in the 10th gen test bed (Asus Z590 Prime-A) and getting some known working loose profiles >4133 to make sure they're not the problem and see what happens but for DDR4 I know the real magic is with an MSI Z690 Edge. It is clearly the superior DDR4 board for Z690 now that time has passed and data has trickled in. I see a lot of D4 owners either abandoning their D4s for it or just going for DDR5.

 

 

[electrosoft]

Nice write up by someone with a 5800X3D in hand over on OCN here:

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/5800x3d-owners.1798046/#post-28975466

 

 

[Ashtrix]

12900KS SP rating comparing to non-KS is not accurate as we all know, and more over Intel this time finally changed the IHS branding too, the old iconic swirl is gone with that new rectangle overlapping boxes reflecting their new logos (I hate their new logos and BS font). Plus TjMax is now capped at 90C instead of 100C. And the OC roof is higher on 12900KS due to binned chips plus better IMC too but extra $150 is too much if you ask me, esp when the new Raptor Lake is dropping soon in 4-6 months. Also Intel completely disabled AVX512 now at the Silicon leve on KS level, so all that silicon space is permanently wasted on the KS chips.

Intel’s finest crowbar selection – Core i9-12900KS binning and OC comparison with 12900K/KF

 

I expect Raptor lake to drop it completely. I wonder if the big x86 Cove will it have the AVX logic on the silicon ? I think yes, but again laser cut off, that's a real waste. But I think Intel knows except niche who want to get more performance with disabling entire E Core cluster and Cache speed boost are very few and many simply run with at-max PL2 off. So they are deciding this path.

 

Also I think RPL won't be on Intel 4 (which I was thinking it will be in my previous post). I think that Intel sheet on their plan just shows their tech readiness but perhaps not actual CPU shipments. Also do note Sapphire Rapids XEON is delayed until this year end (not fresh news it was reported long back by Anandtech) and that will be on Intel 7 only. So I doubt without the XEON shipping in High Volume on Intel 4 they won't put it on mainstream ? could be and not... Tiger Lake was on 10nm SF and ADL is on 10nm ESF / Intel 7, XEON is on same Intel 7, Ice Lake 3rd Gen XEON is still on Intel 7 only.

[ryan]

ok for the love of gawd Im getting random performance increases and decreases with nvidia control panel settings, never the same results sometimes up sometimes down, for the love of god on easter could someone post a picture of the settings and what they should be for best performance

[ryan]

 

 

I guess benchmarks don't matter to me as much as you guys, I think for reference with the 1080ti and a slight overclock it was getting 52-53fps same scene same settings.....so I can't complain. I do wish it was like pascal when it comes to overclocking but as we have seen all good things are coming to an end cpu and gpu wise. I just don't get it....we offer to 1 and the jokebook cant handle it now we offer you 2 and it uses more power and creates more heat, so much better....end result 2<1.....sigh I miss the MXM days

[Mr. Fox]

I ordered a kit from Rockitcool and now it seems the timing is multiple people are jumping on the bandwagon to make it as normal as it used to be. The 11th Gen abortion and Ryzen had a very chilling effect on the benefits of a delid.

 

 

It is also nice to see direct die having potential to become a thing for Ryzen. That's long overdue and much needed for 5950X owners. The delid was a waste of my time and money, but this probably would have made it worth doing.

 

http://www.supercoolcomputer.com/en/product/43/water-block-direct-die-amd

 

The Intel kit is out of stock, but I am hoping to snag one when it comes back into stock.

 

http://www.supercoolcomputer.com/en/product/39/direct-die-intel-gen12

 

I have one of these for 10th Gen that I have never used. I might try it out on Banshee. It's not ideal if you are constantly fiddling with the hardware because you can't take out the CPU without having to take extra steps to avoid a mess of spilled water, but on a system that is just a daily driver that rarely every gets tinkered with (which is how I use Banshee) it seems like the most effective CPU water cooling option.

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, ryan said:

 

 

I guess benchmarks don't matter to me as much as you guys, I think for reference with the 1080ti and a slight overclock it was getting 52-53fps same scene same settings.....so I can't complain. I do wish it was like pascal when it comes to overclocking but as we have seen all good things are coming to an end cpu and gpu wise. I just don't get it....we offer to 1 and the jokebook cant handle it now we offer you 2 and it uses more power and creates more heat, so much better....end result 2<1.....sigh I miss the MXM days

It matters less to me now than it has in a very long time, and I am seeing that trend surfacing with other long-term benching enthusiasts. I have seen guys whose names I have known for years at HWBOT make random comments at ExtremeHW and Overclock.net forums that suggest they are starting to feel the same way.

 

I attribute this to changes in conditions that make overclocking and benching less attractive than it used to be. It has always been a hobby that costs money, but the list of things that detract from the fun and excitement is growing.

• Unreasonable prices (everything is far more inflated and overpriced than it ever has been)
• Product availability (although starting to trend more favorably, but if you can't actually buy one, then there is no reason to care that it exists)
• Poor value (different than cost to the extent that the benefit of an upgrade is becoming more difficult to identify... pointless to spend big money on small gains... getting milked on 3090 Ti, KS vs K CPU, etc.)
• Inconsistent quality (and increased financial risk due to silicon variance and poor manufacturing quality control... for luck to determine if you get a good or poor sample when spending money is unacceptable)
• Dumbing down of OSes and software (Windows is probably the biggest offender here)
• Shifting industry focus (meaning "what matters most" often matters least to an overclocking enthusiast... don't give a damn that it uses less power, runs longer on battery, etc.)
• Changes at HWBOT (some don't like the "new" way of competing and have lost interest on that basis... "seasons" suck... almost like YouTube now, you have to constantly produce or you lose ground)
• AMD (and NVIDIA to a lesser extent) making products that are mostly unimpressive to overclocking enthusiasts because they suck at overclocking
• BGA turdbooks that can't overclock well enough to bother (due to crappy firmware and lousy engineering) are now the new state of normal in PC technology. Even a modest desktop build with an ordinary AIO cooler is starting to be viewed by most consumers as "extreme" (LOL).

To fill the void, I am starting to derive a little bit of satisfaction from other things relating to technology while this mess either sorts itself out or blows itself up in the process. For example, I am spending more time with Linux because I am rapidly losing interest in Windows. I am starting to be more interested in making Linux work than I am fixing the things that I despise about Windows.

 

I am also trying, although with less success than I expected, to renew my interest in gaming. I think it is because there are fewer titles that I find appealing than there used to be. I find it increasingly difficult to identify new games that I actually care about or want to spend money on. Franchised titles that I used to enjoy immensely are often repulsive to me now due to the focus on online multiplayer and they often have no single player campaign. I bought a Steam Link device back around 2015 or 2016. I bought one for @Prema as a gift at the same time. They were on sale for a ridiculously low price (like $8-10 if I recall) and had never used it. This weekend, I hooked it up to my 4K TV in the living room. It worked flawlessly with my almost never used XBOX One Elite Wireless controller and Bluetooth wireless headphones. I don't like gamepads (keyboard and mouse are the only proper way to game) and I didn't get a lot out of the gameplay. But, I did enjoy experimenting with the hardware that has been sitting on a shelf and collecting dust for 5+ years.

 

Yes, my desktop is overclocked when I tinker with Linux and it was overclocked while playing with the Steam Link. No, not because it needed to be. It was overclocked because I could and because I wanted to. I don't think I would enjoy doing anything on it if it were not overclocked. 5800X3D... I don't think so. Not only no, but hell no. Might as well be BGA crap.

[ryan]

yeah I used to game alot when I was a kiddo....but now nothing seems to hold my interest, everything has become stagnant. I liked crysis 1 and WH, mass effect series was fun....but its been like 10 years since somethings held my interest. I could blame it on age and the fact that iv'e lost interest but I highly doubt it because games simply are NOT fun, like lemme kill the enemy run and gun mindless fun with a good story, I don't feel like picking up bluberries in real life at every moment I'm asked why the hell do I want to do a quest where I have to pick them up in a game...how is running around in a world that isn't akin to real life or detailed at the extent life is fun.....Im honestly thinking of just buying a basketball and playing REAL LIfe 2k22 vs some repetitive shooter or rpg....crysis 4 is coming out in a bit and I really hope this stupid idiot like trend ceases to exist in the next 2 years

 

also to add benchmarking isnt better or worse now it just isn't as defined.....post pascal 50 percent gains are impossible pre pascal it was common place....its just that 1 point now is the old 100 points

[ryan]

On 4/17/2022 at 12:50 PM, electrosoft said:

 

Nice ~10% OC on the GPU. That can make the difference when you're trying to avoid those dips.

 

 

not sure how to add quote in edited posts, have to tinker.. but yes it keeps the lows above 60fps in most games i play after the overclock is applied....suprisingly useful to overclock a 3060..but if i could go back in time  i'd have bought the 3070 version of my laptop

[Papusan]

3rd and 4th in 3DM Vantage. Gtx 750 Ti performed best with Win 10 LTSC. Maybe another nvidia driver can change that.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4977917_papusan_3dmark_vantage___performance_geforce_gtx_750_ti_33893_marks?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4977322_papusan_3dmark_vantage___performance_geforce_gtx_760_(256bit)_47418_marks

 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4978007_papusan_aquamark_geforce_gtx_750_ti_530352_marks?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4977995_papusan_3dmark11___performance_geforce_gtx_750_ti_7974_marks?recalculate=true

 

 

[electrosoft]

21 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I ordered a kit from Rockitcool and now it seems the timing is multiple people are jumping on the bandwagon to make it as normal as it used to be. The 11th Gen abortion and Ryzen had a very chilling effect on the benefits of a delid.

 

 

It is also nice to see direct die having potential to become a thing for Ryzen. That's long overdue and much needed for 5950X owners. The delid was a waste of my time and money, but this probably would have made it worth doing.

 

http://www.supercoolcomputer.com/en/product/43/water-block-direct-die-amd

 

The Intel kit is out of stock, but I am hoping to snag one when it comes back into stock.

 

http://www.supercoolcomputer.com/en/product/39/direct-die-intel-gen12

 

I have one of these for 10th Gen that I have never used. I might try it out on Banshee. It's not ideal if you are constantly fiddling with the hardware because you can't take out the CPU without having to take extra steps to avoid a mess of spilled water, but on a system that is just a daily driver that rarely every gets tinkered with (which is how I use Banshee) it seems like the most effective CPU water cooling option.

 

I really like the refinements RC made to the 12th gen model in regards to the holding cap and pressure plastic screw. The core unit looks about the same though. They need to do a nickel plated model like BartX to avoid dealing with the LM soak/hardening issues.

 

You also hear Alex (his side kick in this one) even talk about XTU and how this one is better binned than the last one they tested.

 

Tale of two 12900ks chips:

 

I just got back earlier from my bud's place to unfurl his new Best Buy 12900ks on his Hero and it is an SP84 and a dog. Even at stock (5.2) we couldn't dial it down any lower than ~272w under CB23. 5.2 all core I have mine down to 227w under CB23 running 10min stress test. His 5.3 all core was 319w vs my 255w both on auto. I still need to dial it in to see how low it can go. I jokingly told him I think his chip was meant for me. He wasn't amused. I'm sure he'll play around with it over the next few days and at least shave a little of that off.

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

The worst chip can still run at 5.3 GHz on liquid cooling, which I would have considered an above-average 12900K/KF. 14 out of 14 pass 5.3 GHz, 13 out of 14 pass 5.4 GHz, and 3 out of 14 can pass 5.5 GHz. This out from of a tray with 14 chips tested on water. 

https://www.tomshardware.com/features/intel-core-i9-12900ks-world-record-78-ghz-8-cores

 

 

Amd follow same paths as in older days. New has to be much better... Why bother change it at all? Also Microsoft should have skrapped the Win 10 refresh, branded Win 11.

RX 6650XT Specs Leak Shows Minor Uplift Over RX 6600 XT

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Tale of two 12900ks chips:

 

I just got back earlier from my bud's place to unfurl his new Best Buy 12900ks on his Hero and it is an SP84 and a dog. Even at stock (5.2) we couldn't dial it down any lower than ~272w under CB23. 5.2 all core I have mine down to 227w under CB23 running 10min stress test. His 5.3 all core was 319w vs my 255w both on auto. I still need to dial it in to see how low it can go. I jokingly told him I think his chip was meant for me. He wasn't amused. I'm sure he'll play around with it over the next few days and at least shave a little of that off.

It is unfortunate that Intel, AMD and NVIDIA can get away with crap variance in product quality like that. It's really messed up, maybe even immoral, that you could grab two processors from the same shelf at the same time, pay the same price for both, and end up with two such remarkably different experiences. Rather than calling binned CPUs a "KS" and selling them for more, they should sell the inferior products for less because they are inferior. But, that would be an honest way of running a business, and honesty is rare in the realm of technology. 

 

I finally took time to delid the 10900K in Banshee last night. I did not have time to tinker with bare die. This is just a delid with Liquid Pro on the die and KPX on top of the IHS. Maybe this weekend I will find some spare time to test the Supercool Computer direct die block that I have never used. Maybe not though. The 12th Gen delid kit will be here, so I will most likely burn my calories on that.

 

Definitely worth it. It really amazes me that there are still people that think it doesn't help enough to bother. Excluding the 5950X as an exception, I have never seen an example where a delid brought so little improvement as to not matter. Results below are with the same BIOS settings. Ambient temps are 76-78°F (about 25°C).

 

Before Delid: 15 minute stress test

After Delid: +6 minutes longer stress test (21 minutes)

[electrosoft]

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

The worst chip can still run at 5.3 GHz on liquid cooling, which I would have considered an above-average 12900K/KF. 14 out of 14 pass 5.3 GHz, 13 out of 14 pass 5.4 GHz, and 3 out of 14 can pass 5.5 GHz. This out from of a tray with 14 chips tested on water. 

https://www.tomshardware.com/features/intel-core-i9-12900ks-world-record-78-ghz-8-cores

 

 

Amd follow same paths as in older days. New has to be much better... Why bother change it at all? Also Microsoft should have skrapped the Win 10 refresh, branded Win 11.

RX 6650XT Specs Leak Shows Minor Uplift Over RX 6600 XT

 

Run versus pass real sustained stress tests are two different things. The rigor and qualifications Intel expects for 5.2 all core is much more rigorous than a lot of our "soft stable" settings we accept.

 

That article was very much on point especially here:

 

"Is the Core i9-12900KS ‘just’ a machine-binned 12900K? Yes, and in my opinion, it doesn't need to be anything else. Let me show you what a good chunk of them can do on standard water cooling and follow that up with multiple world records and gold trophies with liquid nitrogen cooling, no big deal."

 

Tighter tolerances, expectations and performance. That is what you're paying for. Even a poorly binned 12900KS will still run 5.2 all core....hot and heavy sure but it will do it; just like the 12900k will follow the same track except 300mhz slower.

 

I've just been running mine with AI OC enabled while I put it through its single core and WoW paces and seeing it handle 5.7ghz in wow on 2-3 cores no problem even raiding for hours on end which hits the CPU the hardest in WoW, temps sitting in the 60s after hours of play tickles my fancy. My SP91 12900k couldn't do it. Not even close. Watching it hit 2200+ single core in CB23 really shows you the architectural gap between it and 11th and especially 10th gen.

 

Still, I can be frugal at heart so I am going to swap back in the 12900k SP91 later this week to see if the 12900ks is really worth the $831.66 it cost. My return window is till May 30th so it isn't like I don't have time. 🙂

 

One thing this 12900ks can't do is touch my SP91 at 4.9 settings. I can dial it down to ~174w CB23 well above the sub 160w the SP91 draws but I'll need to retest it with 1403.

 

 

 

 

 

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It is unfortunate that Intel, AMD and NVIDIA can get away with crap variance in product quality like that. It's really messed up, maybe even immoral, that you could grab two processors from the same shelf at the same time, pay the same price for both, and end up with two such remarkably different experiences. Rather than calling binned CPUs a "KS" and selling them for more, they should sell the inferior products for less because they are inferior. But, that would be an honest way of running a business, and honesty is rare in the realm of technology. 

 

I finally took time to delid the 10900K in Banshee last night. I did not have time to tinker with bare die. This is just a delid with Liquid Pro on the die and KPX on top of the IHS. Maybe this weekend I will find some spare time to test the Supercool Computer direct die block that I have never used. Maybe not though. The 12th Gen delid kit will be here, so I will most likely burn my calories on that.

 

Definitely worth it. It really amazes me that there are still people that think it doesn't help enough to bother. Excluding the 5950X as an exception, I have never seen an example where a delid brought so little improvement as to not matter. Results below are with the same BIOS settings. Ambient temps are 76-78°F (about 25°C).

 

Before Delid: 15 minute stress test

After Delid: +6 minutes longer stress test (21 minutes)

 

 

Agreed. this is what a delidded and relidded 10900k looks like with a BartX after I did it a few days ago with the nickel coated BartX. I do love the look of his IHS's. Temps are fantastic.

 

 

For reference 12900ks SP94 letting Asus control the entire CPU narrative (for better or worse) AI Optimized, MCE Enabled, No AI BIOS control w/ +2 TVB enabled:

 

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

Last run before switching back to my SP91 12900k for some comparative tests. 12900ks SP94 can definitely do 5.4 all core but it will need a delid and better cooling to really make it shine as I'm thermal throttling on my 420mm AIO. Wish it was winter right now. A delid at the minimum will get it doing 5.4 all core on the 420mm AIO easy. Better cooling will just kick it up a notch to maybe 5.5. Core #1 is clearly the monster of the group.

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

26 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Last run before switching back to my SP91 12900k for some comparative tests. 12900ks SP94 can definitely do 5.4 all core but it will need a delid and better cooling to really make it shine as I'm thermal throttling on my 420mm AIO. Wish it was winter right now. A delid at the minimum will get it doing 5.4 all core on the 420mm AIO easy. Better cooling will just kick it up a notch to maybe 5.5. Core #1 is clearly the monster of the group.

 

 

 

Yes, that's a really nice sample you have there. Congrats, bro.

[Mr. Fox]

Arrived a day earlier than expected.

[Tenoroon]

My 8700k finally arrived today, but I cannot find a way to cut a piece of tape small enough to cover a single pin, for everyone who has done the mod, how did get a piece of tape small enough to work?

[Papusan]

53 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

My 8700k finally arrived today, but I cannot find a way to cut a piece of tape small enough to cover a single pin, for everyone who has done the mod, how did get a piece of tape small enough to work?

Use an small sharp scissors. As well you need two very small/thin tip tweezers (as in ifixit toolbox) .

[electrosoft]

55 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

My 8700k finally arrived today, but I cannot find a way to cut a piece of tape small enough to cover a single pin, for everyone who has done the mod, how did get a piece of tape small enough to work?

 

2 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Use an small sharp scissors. As well you need two very small/thin tweezers.

 

 

This. Tweezers and jeweler's glasses did it for me along with a pair of the wife's cosmetic small scissors.