*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[tps3443]

31 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

I'm sure AMD exclusivity included some official and unofficial conditions for the launch window and free game bundle with their GPUs and CPUs. Officially optimized for AMD. Unofficially? Well...... 🤣

 

Crazy performance gains at NATIVE no upscaling on either side.

 

13900k/14900k + 4090 is clearly going to be the optimal combo for this game now.

 

Nvidia went from being behind 8% to jumping ahead 23% with the 4090 over the 7900xtx which is more in line with real world expected results (if not even higher).

 

I'm glad I held off playing till patches galore.

 

@tps3443 you'll need to get back in there with your KPE 3090 and see how much better it is now with the update.

 

Starfield has always ran amazing! This game is just absolutely butter since launch day. 
 

4K@Ultra+DLSS Quality has always been around 77FPS average for me. 
 

Now, another title that does not run amazing is Ark Survival Ascended lol.  4K native resolution Epic graphics, FG & DLSS off averages like 19-25 fps (Using a 4090) 

[electrosoft]

10 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Starfield has always ran amazing! This game is just absolutely butter since launch day. 
 

4K@Ultra+DLSS Quality has always been around 77FPS average for me. 
 

Now, another title that does not run amazing is Ark Survival Ascended lol.  4K native resolution Epic graphics, FG & DLSS off averages like 19-23 fps (Using a 4090)

 

See if you can push that to ~94fps with the patch. Every bit helps and 77fps is not great. Playing wow at even 80fps vs 132fps+ is very noticeable in smoothness and movement. A 4090 + patch would probably push your setup to 130+

 

I was testing the 7900xtx and 13900ks with WoW hooked up to my old BenQ 32" 60hz (but G-sync / AMD Free sync compatible) display and it was rough. That 60fps cap was torture to the eyes and soul. Having played for so long at basically display cap for the most part (144hz) for the last 10 months since I picked up this 4090 or so across two displays there is no going back. Mind you, I gamed for almost two years on that BenQ and thought it was righteous compared to it replacing my 8 year old HP 30" ZR30W 60hz basic display.

 

Even my wife has been using a Samsung G9 144hz 32" QHD display for WoW paired with my old Strix 3080 and when the display went wonky I swapped back in the BenQ for her and within a few minutes she was like, "something is wrong." I asked what and she said it's moving funny and feels "disjointed" and off. I say down and played for a few minutes and had to sadly inform her she was stuck with low fps gaming for a week until her replacement display showed up. 😂

 

How does Ark Survival perform with FG and DLSS on?

 

 

[electrosoft]

Nice progression of a 14900k at stock on Apex Encore

 

Stock on ILM       - Baseline

Contact Frame    - Basically no change

Delid                    - ~8-9 degree drop

Lapping               - ~2-3 degree drop / 15w drop

 

 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

See if you can push that to ~94fps with the patch. Every bit helps and 77fps is not great. Playing wow at even 80fps vs 132fps+ is very noticeable in smoothness and movement. A 4090 + patch would probably push your setup to 130+

 

I was testing the 7900xtx and 13900ks with WoW hooked up to my old BenQ 32" 60hz (but G-sync / AMD Free sync compatible) display and it was rough. That 60fps cap was torture to the eyes and soul. Having played for so long at basically display cap for the most part (144hz) for the last 10 months since I picked up this 4090 or so across two displays there is no going back. Mind you, I gamed for almost two years on that BenQ and thought it was righteous compared to it replacing my 8 year old HP 30" ZR30W 60hz basic display.

 

Even my wife has been using a Samsung G9 144hz 32" QHD display for WoW paired with my old Strix 3080 and when the display went wonky I swapped back in the BenQ for her and within a few minutes she was like, "something is wrong." I asked what and she said it's moving funny and feels "disjointed" and off. I say down and played for a few minutes and had to sadly inform her she was stuck with low fps gaming for a week until her replacement display showed up. 😂

 

How does Ark Survival perform with FG and DLSS on?

 

 

 

Stock RTX4090 gets 57-60fps with Quality DLSS+FG on in the new ARK 1.5 
 

Are we half way there to RTX5090 yet? 🙃

Also, check this out, I just tested a 3090FE for the first time ever. And this GPU can’t even run stock the GPU max temp with 100% fans is 55-57C. But It crashes in practically any game after just 15-20 minutes because the memory gets so HOTTTT 🥵 the back side will literally burn your flesh off after less than 1 second of touching it. 
 

It’s crazy! The memory is hitting 104C. I have a 114% power limit set, and that’s it. 

I am gonna have to tear the card apart and fix its horrible temps. I have a 100x100mm sheet of some 20w thermal pads ready for it. 

[Talon]

 

[Talon]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

 

Stock RTX4090 gets 57-60fps with Quality DLSS+FG on in the new ARK 1.5 
 

Are we half way there to RTX5090 yet? 🙃

Also, check this out, I just tested a 3090FE for the first time ever. And this GPU can’t even run stock the GPU max temp with 100% fans is 55-57C. But It crashes in practically any game after just 15-20 minutes because the memory gets so HOTTTT 🥵 the back side will literally burn your flesh off after less than 1 second of touching it. 
 

It’s crazy! The memory is hitting 104C. I have a 114% power limit set, and that’s it. 

I am gonna have to tear the card apart and fix its horrible temps. I have a 100x100mm sheet of some 20w thermal pads ready for it. 

 

Dang, I have a 4090 FE in my other rig and I love it. It runs ridiculously cool on my end, but I'm not on an open air bench. I have fans blowing over that chonky boy. 

[ryan]

I think 0 of you will switch to geforce now regardless of what internet connection you have. or how good/bad it looks(subjective) but Im using a google tv and a wireless xbox one controller and now that my interent was bumped to 300mps i was able to re run it and winded up playing the new crew motor fest for 4 hours. It had the normal hiccups in frmaerates once every 20 min or so and image quality unfortunetly is only 1080p with google tvs but it looks good at 10 feet away dare I say crisp, it only struggles with one thing and thats smoke it looks blotchy when it comes to smoke, everything else looks better than native with its ai upscaling. only slightly better, ironically 4k doesn't look 4k it looks like 3000x2000 not quite 4k but not bad by anymeans, the fix for this is maxing the throughput to 75mbps and lowering it to 4k/60 and turning on ai to the max. then it looks strikingly good considering its technically just a video. 

 

long story short if your planning on playing games up close to a 55in tv its not worth it but if your using a 27in 4k monitor or a 15in 1440p laptop display then its a killer deal, also if you plan on gaming from a couch then all you need is the subscription and a xbox series x controller and you will have an excellent experience. its not the same as other streaming services its in a league of its own and if you checked it out 2-3 years ago for the beta it is so much better its not even funny, one thing I noticed was image quality at 300mbps was quite a bit nicer than at maxed 75mbps on a 100mbps line. having fast internet is the limiting factor, if you have fast internet then there is little to no reason not to check it out.

[Mr. Fox]

@tps3443it's doing OK. It will run stable with the 8400 profile I am using with the G.SKILL 8000 kit on the Apex. I don't like how much voltage it needs though. Trying to decide if I want to keep it. I'm not dead set on sending it back like I was, but I am still not seeing a huge benefit to having it. (Probably because there is not a huge benefit, LOL.)

 

[tps3443]

Someone sent me this 3090FE to fix for them. It kept crashing under loads due to heat. The card was built December 2020. So it’s right at 3 years old. 
 

Anyways, look at the difference in the temps on this RTX3090FE after re-pad/re-paste!!! Installed new 20W/mk thermal pads on the front side. And covered the entire back side with pieces of an old used Optimus 3MM Fujipoly pad that I had, until the back PCB was completely covered. The memory temp alone dropped 30C, max boost went up by +60Mhz. Both graphs are Witcher 3 DX12 at 4K.

 

LEFT= Before

RIGHT= After

 

NEW pads installed!

 

 

[Talon]

15 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Someone sent me this 3090FE to fix for them. It kept crashing under loads due to heat. The card was built December 2020. So it’s right at 3 years old. 
 

Anyways, look at the difference in the temps on this RTX3090FE after re-pad/re-paste!!! Installed new 20W/mk thermal pads on the front side. And covered the entire back side with pieces of an old used Optimus 3MM Fujipoly pad that I had, until the back PCB was completely covered. The memory temp alone dropped 30C, max boost went up by +60Mhz. Both graphs are Witcher 3 DX12 at 4K.

 

LEFT= Before

RIGHT= After

 

NEW pads installed!

 

 

Nice work! That is a substantial improvement. 30 series coolers were just OK. The 40 series is a pretty substantial improvement. The lack of backside vram on the 40 series is very helpful too. 

[tps3443]

7 minutes ago, Talon said:

Nice work! That is a substantial improvement. 30 series coolers were just OK. The 40 series is a pretty substantial improvement. The lack of backside vram on the 40 series is very helpful too. 

I’m kinda wanting to try a 4090FE now 😁 

 

But yes I think if this 3090FE just had a fan pointed at the backside the vram would drop another 10-15C. The back plate was 120F before repad/repaste. It measured a whopping 148F on the backplate after rear full cover pad and new pads/paste installed 😳 you can’t touch it for a split second! It will melt flesh 🤣

 

It does not crash anymore at all! Even with auto fan and 113% power limit it just chugs. Very nice to see it working properly. 

[electrosoft]

26 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Someone sent me this 3090FE to fix for them. It kept crashing under loads due to heat. The card was built December 2020. So it’s right at 3 years old. 
 

Anyways, look at the difference in the temps on this RTX3090FE after re-pad/re-paste!!! Installed new 20W/mk thermal pads on the front side. And covered the entire back side with pieces of an old used Optimus 3MM Fujipoly pad that I had, until the back PCB was completely covered. The memory temp alone dropped 30C, max boost went up by +60Mhz. Both graphs are Witcher 3 DX12 at 4K.

 

LEFT= Before

RIGHT= After

 

NEW pads installed!

 

 

 

Sounds about right.

 

3090 FE with those backside memory modules and no adequate cooling could be a nightmare that was quickly flushed out with all the 3090 FEs pressed into mining service. Most miners repadded, repadded and add heatsinks, or repadded, added heatsinks and put a fan right on the backside to keep them in check.

 

When the 3090ti FE dropped, all the modules were higher density/capacity and now front side only which has carried over to the 4000 series.

 

I had a 3090 FE if anyone remembers which I jettisoned because of the worst coil whine I've ever heard before and even now. It actually made me nauseous it was so bad and I could hear it through headphones even turned up it was that piercing. One thing I noticed were memory temps were kind of juicy when overclocking. I didn't have that problem at all with my KPE 3090.

 

1 minute ago, tps3443 said:

I’m kinda wanting to try a 4090FE now 😁 

 

But yes I think if this 3090FE just had a fan pointed at the backside the vram would drop another 10-15C. The back plate was 120F before repad/repaste. It measured a whopping 148F on the backplate after rear full cover pad and new pads/paste installed 😳 you can’t touch it for a split second! It will melt flesh 🤣

 

It does not crash anymore at all! Even with auto fan and 113% power limit it just chugs. Very nice to see it working properly. 

 

Out of all the 4090s, FE is still #3 on my list behind Suprim and Asus but a worthy card.

 

Aesthetically, it is gorgeous but no matter what card you get, you're gonna end up blocking it.

 

 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Sounds about right.

 

3090 FE with those backside memory modules and no adequate cooling could be a nightmare that was quickly flushed out with all the 3090 FEs pressed into mining service. Most miners repadded, repadded and add heatsinks, or repadded, added heatsinks and put a fan right on the backside to keep them in check.

 

When the 3090ti FE dropped, all the modules were higher density/capacity and now front side only which has carried over to the 4000 series.

 

I had a 3090 FE if anyone remembers which I jettisoned because of the worst coil whine I've ever heard before and even now. It actually made me nauseous it was so bad and I could hear it through headphones even turned up it was that piercing. One thing I noticed were memory temps were kind of juicy when overclocking. I didn't have that problem at all with my KPE 3090.

 

 

Out of all the 4090s, FE is still #3 on my list behind Suprim and Asus but a worthy card.

 

Aesthetically, it is gorgeous but no matter what card you get, you're gonna end up blocking it.

 

 

Nvidia and other AIB’s could have done so much better just by covering the entire back side of the GPU with a puddy or thick soft thermal pad like I use. Having memory on the backside is a non issue 100% though. My 3090KP GPU2 backside runs exactly 4.3C warmer than the front GPU temp. No fans, no active cooling on the back at all. If my GPU is 26C then the back of card is 30-31C range. The actual memory temps are 20-28C range.  It make me think what in the heck is the actual point in a rear water block, because I don’t even have fans or a water block on the back lol. But it would seem like it.  
 

That 3090FE is already demonstrating memory and hotspot temps similar to what my stock 3090KP Hybrid would display. Only the FE has a backplate equivalent to a piece of tin foil. 

You should try this to your 4090. I think you’d be surprised. You would drop in temps every where. Take off the backplate and pack in that Optimus 3mm Fuji pad, and the entire card will fall in temps. And it’s fairly cheap to do. 

[ryan]

 

it really is better than you guys think.

 

Im using it on my 1080p laptop now and a game I cant max and run even at 1080p can now run with image set to 1440p on the 1080p display to give it a native sharpness and clairity of 1080p on the original hardware. its a simple work around for the slight degradation in image quality. the image looks like 90 percent of given resolution maybe 95 percent hard to put a number on it but its incredibly sharp for a video. if you bump up the quality in the geforce now setting its an effective work around and after running one then the other I can confirm the 1440p image of geforce now on my 1080p display looks better than native 1080p not sure how but it does its a noticeable difference. as for 4k. desktop 4090 is still the way to go for 4k, but I heard geforce now will soon support 8k

[Mr. Fox]

The ARC A770 runs Modern Warfare III (2023) at 1440p flawlessly. Looks and plays excellent. Solid 100+ FPS. I've bumped the power limits to 452W and locked the GPU core at 2700MHz and a fixed 1.160V. Runs fast and cool. No regrets... excellent value for a $300 GPU.

[tps3443]

7 hours ago, ryan said:

 

it really is better than you guys think.

 

Im using it on my 1080p laptop now and a game I cant max and run even at 1080p can now run with image set to 1440p on the 1080p display to give it a native sharpness and clairity of 1080p on the original hardware. its a simple work around for the slight degradation in image quality. the image looks like 90 percent of given resolution maybe 95 percent hard to put a number on it but its incredibly sharp for a video. if you bump up the quality in the geforce now setting its an effective work around and after running one then the other I can confirm the 1440p image of geforce now on my 1080p display looks better than native 1080p not sure how but it does its a noticeable difference. as for 4k. desktop 4090 is still the way to go for 4k, but I heard geforce now will soon support 8k

Can you use a 4090 on GeForce now? Or only 4080’s? Are there even slower GPU options available like 4060? 

 

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The ARC A770 runs Modern Warfare III (2023) at 1440p flawlessly. Looks and plays excellent. Solid 100+ FPS. I've bumped the power limits to 452W and locked the GPU core at 2700MHz and a fixed 1.160V. Runs fast and cool. No regrets... excellent value for a $300 GPU.

Nice! I have been waiting forever now to see their expensive higher end GPU’s release. I wonder if they’ll ever compete with something like a 4080. Are you gonna water cool that GPU?

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Nice! I have been waiting forever now to see their expensive higher end GPU’s release. I wonder if they’ll ever compete with something like a 4080. Are you gonna water cool that GPU?

I am looking forward to seeing how Battlemage performs. I hope it is a strong contender with at least 4080, if not better. I may have a custom block made for it. I'm thinking about it. Nobody makes a normal production block for it. The A770 falls between 3060 and 3060 Ti performance, so it's actually very respectable in terms of gaming ability. It has some content creation features that it does better at than NVIDIA or AMD.

[electrosoft]

8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The ARC A770 runs Modern Warfare III (2023) at 1440p flawlessly. Looks and plays excellent. Solid 100+ FPS. I've bumped the power limits to 452W and locked the GPU core at 2700MHz and a fixed 1.160V. Runs fast and cool. No regrets... excellent value for a $300 GPU.

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am looking forward to seeing how Battlemage performs. I hope it is a strong contender with at least 4080, if not better. I may have a custom block made for it. I'm thinking about it. Nobody makes a normal production block for it. The A770 falls between 3060 and 3060 Ti performance, so it's actually very respectable in terms of gaming ability. It has some content creation features that it does better at than NVIDIA or AMD.

 

Nice! With a classic AIB big boy cooler on it you're opening it up.

 

I want Intel to succeed very badly in the GPU space for many reasons. Their driver maturation process has been pretty remarkable and you know that will carry into Battlemage.

 

 

[cylix]

 

Interesting, the new pump of Lian Li is indeed very good, maybe ill get the LCD version if it gets cheaper.

[electrosoft]

Jufus absolutely dumping all over Jay, AMD and the switching....

 

I agree with him and memory working pretty straight forward but I always dial it in myself when everything is said and done. He said the same thing about it being a potential motherboard issue. On the other hand, Jay doesn't strike me as the type who enjoys dialing in memory settings and voltages....

 

 

 

 

 

[tps3443]

@Papusan I’m gonna do a video comparing flow sensors. (In the blue corner:) The Aquatuning D5 Next pump with built in virtual flow rate, VS (In the red corner:) Aquatuning Highflow 2 mechanical flow rate sensor.

😎

 

We shall see how accurate the D5 next virtual flow rate really is. I’m dying to know. Does it read low? Does it read high? Or does it read accurately? 
 

I’ll do 1 pump at a time, all the way to 5 D5 pumps.
 

@Mr. Fox Try to boost your ring up, it helps latency so much! Hitting 50ns now with the 48Shhhliggabyte 7200's. Also, try to run your IMC VDD, and IVR TX on Auto. This helps stability so much its crazy. 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

@Mr. Fox Try to boost your ring up, it helps latency so much! Hitting 50ns now with the 48Shhhliggabyte 7200's. Also, try to run your IMC VDD, and IVR TX on Auto. This helps stability so much its crazy. 

Thanks. What are they called in the BIOS? Maybe snap a photo/F12 screenshot.

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Jufus absolutely dumping all over Jay, AMD and the switching....

 

I agree with him and memory working pretty straight forward but I always dial it in myself when everything is said and done. He said the same thing about it being a potential motherboard issue. On the other hand, Jay doesn't strike me as the type who enjoys dialing in memory settings and voltages....

He is right about many things quite often, but it is really unfortunate that his presentation and demeanor deprive him of the respect he would otherwise deserve. It is hard to judge if his arrogance and haughtiness reflect a person that is so self-absorbed that they do not care what others think of them, or if he has deep-seated feelings of inadequacy that are only mitigated by being harshly and unreasonably critical of other people (like Jay, Gordon and Wendell in this example, and recently with his commentary about LTT's mess) present in his social media space. More often than not I agree with him and think his material is technically accurate, often superior, but it is difficult to show respect to someone that is so obnoxious, unprofessional and disrespectful.

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Nice! With a classic AIB big boy cooler on it you're opening it up.

 

I want Intel to succeed very badly in the GPU space for many reasons. Their driver maturation process has been pretty remarkable and you know that will carry into Battlemage.

Thanks. It performs better than expected. I am really pleased with it. I'm sure I will find something off sooner or later, but so far nothing found "not to like" about it.

I really want to see them excel. NVIDIA has been king of the hill for so long that they have lost touch with reality, and their pricing is downright evil/dishonest. And, I don't need to say what I think about the other option other than "it's not an option" for me.

[Papusan]

Run and buy😂 I'm sure many will try pick up some of the cheaper adapters than what Cablemod can offer Remember expensive doensn't always mean better, HaHa

 

Fire Sale? Amazon Flooded With Dodgy 16-Pin GPU Power Adapters

 

This one looks fantastic.... 🤢

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, tps3443 said:

@Papusan I’m gonna do a video comparing flow sensors. (In the blue corner:) The Aquatuning D5 Next pump with built in virtual flow rate, VS (In the red corner:) Aquatuning Highflow 2 mechanical flow rate sensor.

😎

 

We shall see how accurate the D5 next virtual flow rate really is. I’m dying to know. Does it read low? Does it read high? Or does it read accurately? 
 

I’ll do 1 pump at a time, all the way to 5 D5 pumps.
 

@Mr. Fox Try to boost your ring up, it helps latency so much! Hitting 50ns now with the 48Shhhliggabyte 7200's. Also, try to run your IMC VDD, and IVR TX on Auto. This helps stability so much its crazy. 

That worked well. So weird that setting them to auto works better than manual tuning. Thanks for sharing. Reliable 8800 memory overclock is pretty sweet.

 

 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

That worked well. So weird that setting them to auto works better than manual tuning. Thanks for sharing. Reliable 8800 memory overclock is pretty sweet.

 

 

I am absolutely shocked right now that this also worked on your system as well. Not sure why the auto IMC and auto IVR TX voltages create such a magic experience, but it absolutely does, and it makes DDR5 overclocking seamless and much easier! @Papusan it will work on your Apex Encore too. Do not manually input cpu IMC voltages, do not enter manual IVR TX voltages either, or even manual SA voltages lol. Just let it run auto/auto/auto. And with “VDDQ Voltage training” enabled. It increases the overclock-ability and stability of these motherboards by a day and night amount.