*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Could be Intel need a stopgap because 15th series may come a bit later than expected. Hence so late to the party. We are now soon into middle Feb. Binning enough chips takes time.

Intel Core i9-14900KS alleged benchmarks leak

 

 

"Those extreme clocks appear to come at a cost. The alleged Core i9-14900KS processor draws around 410W (as observed by @TechLevelUp), which is an enormous amount of heat to dissipate for a pseudo mainstream processor. In the past, only HEDT chips have flirted with such power use."

 

I mean....sheesh.....

 

When your CPU starts to draw has much as your 4080, 7900xtx and even 4090 in many scenarios.....

 

 

[Papusan]

45 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

"Those extreme clocks appear to come at a cost. The alleged Core i9-14900KS processor draws around 410W (as observed by @TechLevelUp), which is an enormous amount of heat to dissipate for a pseudo mainstream processor. In the past, only HEDT chips have flirted with such power use."

 

I mean....sheesh.....

 

When your CPU starts to draw has much as your 4080, 7900xtx and even 4090 in many scenarios.....

 

 

 

I can't see the big problem here. An oc'd 14900K running same clocks will draw more power. The only cost I can see is higher prices😂 

 

Damn. I have seen above 700W benching my 4090. So the Cpus still lags behind regarding power consumption. So still untapped headroom for more performance from the CPU, HaHa

 

But this Cpu won't make your games run with much higher FPS. Even an 14600K can do the tasks. Yup, this Inntel Cpu won't make the big differences vs the no overclockable X3D chips from AMD for 40-50% lower prices.

 

[Etern4l]

23 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

"Those extreme clocks appear to come at a cost. The alleged Core i9-14900KS processor draws around 410W (as observed by @TechLevelUp), which is an enormous amount of heat to dissipate for a pseudo mainstream processor. In the past, only HEDT chips have flirted with such power use."

 

I mean....sheesh.....

 

When your CPU starts to draw has much as your 4080, 7900xtx and even 4090 in many scenarios.....

 

 

A very niche offering. I wonder how many of those would be expected to sell globally. To be fair they did bump the caches significantly in 14900K, so it’s a bit more than a 13900K “Super.” marketing gimmick.

[tps3443]

@Papusan You know what test they ran to achieve 410 watts at 5.9P/4.5E?
 

The power draw seems extreme compared to what my CPU draws. -120 watts with same clocks lol 

[Papusan]

12 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

@Papusan You know what test they ran to achieve 410 watts at 5.9P/4.5E?
 

The power draw seems extreme compared to what my CPU draws. -120 watts with same clocks lol 

 

Not sure. But one of the stress tests in OCCT. You run it at default voltage but with increased clocks? Like apples vs apples.

 

https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i9-14900ks-cpu-leak-up-to-6-2-ghz-clock-100c-temps-400w-power/

 

Increassed TDP but with exactly same base clock as 14900K. Not the same as going from 13900K up to 13900KS. Whats the point with the higher 150W TDP for base clock when the same clock speed is reached with 14900K at 125W ? Hmm

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Not sure. But one of the stress tests in OCCT. You run it at default voltage but with increased clocks? Like apples vs apples.

 

https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i9-14900ks-cpu-leak-up-to-6-2-ghz-clock-100c-temps-400w-power/

 

Increassed TDP but with exactly same base clock as 14900K. Not the same as going from 13900K up to 13900KS. Whats the point with the higher 150W TDP for base clock when the same clock speed is reached with 14900K at 125W ? Hmm

I do not have OCCT. But I did run R23 with auto voltage while mirroring the 14900KS clocks. I set 5.9P (8) cores 6.2P (2) Cores, 4.5E-Cores, Auto ring, and Auto voltage, no power limits. Looks like 328 watts with DDR5 8400C36. 

Either their cooling is absolutely horrible, their chip is a turd, or their motherboard is going crazy on auto voltage (Probably combination of all three lol). But either way the Vmin does not look great for the 5.485Ghz@1.180V min the 14900KS chip was hitting. 

I think I am all set for LGA1700 though. I am about burned out on this socket lol. Enough is enough


 

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[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Not sure. But one of the stress tests in OCCT. You run it at default voltage but with increased clocks? Like apples vs apples.

 

https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i9-14900ks-cpu-leak-up-to-6-2-ghz-clock-100c-temps-400w-power/

 

Increassed TDP but with exactly same base clock as 14900K. Not the same as going from 13900K up to 13900KS. Whats the point with the higher 150W TDP for base clock when the same clock speed is reached with 14900K at 125W ? Hmm

 

This.

 

@tps3443 actually run OCCT, chiller off, water normalized to room temp, auto/default voltage (literally reset the MB) and see what the SP107 nets you.

[tps3443]

18 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

This.

 

@tps3443 actually run OCCT, chiller off, water normalized to room temp, auto/default voltage (literally reset the MB) and see what the SP107 nets you.

Nahhh I’m too lazy for all that. My 8400c36 profile is stable right now, and I don’t wanna deal with re-stabilizing it after clearing bios. 

[Papusan]

56 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

This.

 

@tps3443 actually run OCCT, chiller off, water normalized to room temp, auto/default voltage (literally reset the MB) and see what the SP107 nets you.

 

From what I saw. He also run with iGPU graphics that will add some heat and power to the final results🙂

 

And Cinebench and OCCT isn't same test

 

 

Todays joke? 

 

Nvidia... Not much love for 20xx series RTX cards. The paying guinea pigs for first gen RTX pushed down the drain for now. Nvidia didn't even bother mention 2000 series RTX. Hmmm, just lovely.

 

NVIDIA unveils ‘Chat with RTX’: AI Chatbot powered locally by GeForce RTX 30/40 GPUs
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-unveils-chat-with-rtx-ai-chatbot-powered-locally-by-geforce-rtx-30-40-gpus

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

From what I saw. He also run with iGPU graphics that will add some heat and power to the final results🙂

 

And Cinebench and OCCT isn't same test

 

 

Todays joke? 

 

Nvidia... Not much love for 20xx series RTX cards. The paying guinea pigs for first gen RTX pushed down the drain for now. Nvidia didn't even bother mention 2000 series RTX. Hmmm, just lovely.

 

NVIDIA unveils ‘Chat with RTX’: AI Chatbot powered locally by GeForce RTX 30/40 GPUs
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-unveils-chat-with-rtx-ai-chatbot-powered-locally-by-geforce-rtx-30-40-gpus

 

That’s not the standard OCCT test though. I may as well go run Prime 95 Small FFT’s AVX2. Is this what the test is on the 14900KS? 
 

Last time I ran OCCT default CPU test, it was similar power as R23. It’s the extras that can be enabled which cause much much higher power consumption. 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

This.

 

@tps3443 actually run OCCT, chiller off, water normalized to room temp, auto/default voltage (literally reset the MB) and see what the SP107 nets you.

Easily above 550W and over 100°C. Without even trying. Even with my SP117 CPU running the lowest possible borderline stable voltage. Ambient cooling (air or water) within an air conditioned room (70-73°F) won't get you anywhere. It's nice being able to use chilled water 24/7 if you have that ability, but that's not a normal real-world scenario. The best SP-rated CPU in the world won't run low power and low voltage if cooled using ordinary measures in normal ambient temperatures. As soon as the water in the loop normalizes it will become unmanageable and start breaking 100°C and chugging close to 600W with an all P-core 60x overclock.

 

And, that's one of the things that makes it awesome. Simply because it can.

[tps3443]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Easily above 550W and over 100°C. Without even trying. Even with my SP117 CPU running the lowest possible borderline stable voltage. Ambient cooling (air or water) within an air conditioned room (70-73°F) won't get you anywhere.

For 5.9P/4.5E? That’s a so much power wow. Seems really high. 
 

[Mr. Fox]

21 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

For 5.9P/4.5E? That’s a so much power wow. Seems really high. 
 

No. Totally normal. You've forgotten what it is like to run a system without chilled water. Voltage, power and temps are all MUCH higher even with a golden silicon sample. With chilled water even a mediocre CPU can do things a golden sample can't do if cooling with ambient water temperatures.

 

I just ran this. My ambient temperature is 74°F (24°C). 561W and 92°C, and that's bare die.

My AC and DC are fully tuned and run exactly the same value under load.  Only using 1.270V under load.

[tps3443]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

No. Totally normal. You've forgotten what it is like to run a system without chilled water. Voltage, power and temps are all MUCH higher even with a golden silicon sample. With chilled water even a mediocre CPU can do things a golden sample can't do if cooling with ambient water temperatures.

 

I just ran this. My ambient temperature is 74°F (24°C). My AC and DC are fully tuned and run exactly the same value under load. 

You’re sending an actual 1.380V to your chip load? Holy bajesus. I can’t run that lol. I would melt. What’s your water temp? 
 

Also, the chiller doesn’t knock off that much. Even if my water temp doubled and were 30C, I’d only be 15C warmer in temps package. 

[Mr. Fox]

6 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

You’re sending an actual 1.380V to your chip load? Holy bajesus. I can’t run that lol. I would melt. What’s your water temp? 
 

Also, the chiller doesn’t knock off that much. Even if my water were 30C, I’d only be 15C warmer in temps. 

No, look again. It is 1.270V under load. It goes up to 1.380V at idle, which is normal. Benchmate grabs the highest voltage, not the accurate voltage. (Benchmate is not as special as some like to pretend it is. But, it makes pretty screenshots for HWBOT, LOL.)

 

My water is 29°C, so about 3-4°C hotter than ambient.

 

I might have added the second screenshot before you refreshed the page, so maybe you did not see it.

 

This is on the system with the Nova 1080 radiator, no chiller and no 5-gallon reservoir, so it has to work a lot harder than our systems with 5-6 times more liquid.

[tps3443]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

No, look again. It is 1.270V under load. It goes up to 1.380V at idle, which is normal. Benchmate grabs the highest voltage, not the accurate voltage. (Benchmate is not as special as some like to pretend it is. But, it makes pretty screenshots for HWBOT, LOL.)

 

My water is 29°C, so about 3-4°C hotter than ambient.

 

I might have added the second screenshot before you refreshed the page, so maybe you did not see it.

Aren’t you on direct die? 

[Mr. Fox]

3 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Aren’t you on direct die? 

Yes. With the IHS it will go to like 105°C and blue screen running the same BIOS settings in Cinebench R23. Anything above 57x all P-core was unstable in Cinebench R23 due to extreme heat before delid and bare die.

 

This is on the system with the Nova 1080 radiator, no chiller and no 5-gallon reservoir, so it has to work a lot harder than our systems with 5-6 times more liquid.

[tps3443]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes. With the IHS it will go to like 105°C and blue screen running the same BIOS settings.

 

This is on the system with the Nova 1080 radiator, no chiller and no 5-gallon reservoir, so it has to work a lot harder than our systems with 5-6 times more liquid.

I am not delidded or direct die though so even with my 15C water temp, it should perform similarly to a direct die ambient 29c water chip no? Where you gain in direct die, I make up for in soldered stock chip with cooler water.
 

That power is crazy!!! 😀 I’m not understanding why it’s so high.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

5 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

That power is crazy!!! 😀 I’m not understanding why it’s so high.

It's totally normal. Are you capping your power limit? Every single 10th, 12th and 13th Gen CPU I have owned hits power draw numbers like this in Cinebench R23. So did the 5950X, at much lower clock speeds.

 

At 6.0GHz all P-core sync is it over 600W.

[tps3443]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It's totally normal. Are you capping your power limit? Every single 10th, 12th and 13th Gen CPU I have owned hits power draw numbers like this in Cinebench R23.

 

At 6.0GHz all P-core sync is it over 600W.

 

You mean with auto voltage right? 

[Mr. Fox]

1 minute ago, tps3443 said:

 

You mean with auto voltage right? 

No, with manual voltage. Auto voltage is out of control sky high and dangerous, and extremely hot.

[tps3443]

Just now, Mr. Fox said:

No, with manual voltage. Auto voltage is out of control sky high and dangerous, and extremely hot.

No, I hit like 350 watts for 6.0P/4.8E/5.2R manual voltage R23. It hits about 45,200. The 600 watts is really astounding. 

[Mr. Fox]

3 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

No, I hit like 350 watts for 6.0P/4.8E/5.2R manual voltage R23. It hits about 45,200. The 600 watts is really astounding. 

Not sure how you are able to do that other than with chilled water. As mentioned, under load my CPU is drawing 1.270V.

 

[Papusan]

Regarding the massive power consumption I think different AC/DC loadline values play some role into this. I mean the power consumption may being somewhat scewed. 

 

 

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[tps3443]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Not sure how you are able to do that other than with chilled water. As mentioned, under load my CPU is drawing 1.270V.

 

Yeah I’m running chilled water for sure. But it’s not that cold. I stick to 15C daily, and 15C in the runs below. But the chip isn’t delidded so it still gets very hot. If it was direct die I’d be whooping on my old 13900KS which I can’t lol. That chip could do 6.1P/4.8 simply because it had the thermal headroom being direct die, lapped die, and 15C water. I already touch 80C temps at only 350 watts. So, my cooling isn’t that good. The block and contact is actually pretty poor I think. Simply because It’s a stock chip with stock Intel soldered IHS so temps aren’t good like DD+Chiller. 
 

These are old runs on my last OS.
 

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