*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[ryan]

My old friend James really likes wow. I played it a bit, pretty good game to get lost in its world. He bought a 3050 laptop hopefully it's not struggling at good settings, haven't talked to him in months

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, ryan said:

My old friend James really likes wow. I played it a bit, pretty good game to get lost in its world. He bought a 3050 laptop hopefully it's not struggling at good settings, haven't talked to him in months

 

Yeah, some people can play 10-12 hours a day. I love it, but I'm good for 3hrs at most and that is only on some days. My wife is more hardcore than I am now and plays 4-6hrs a day 3 days a week and 2-3hrs the other days. This last Xpac she is officially ahead of me progression wise lol.

 

3050 1080p laptop can handle WoW with details turned down quite nicely. I have two laptops sent to me by Asus that are 3050 laptops. One has an Ultra 7 and the other an Ultra 9 but they are identical besides the CPUs (I should do a quick write up showing Ultra 7 vs 9 with everything else being equal in them). Besides running very quiet, they handle WoW great on detail level 4-5 (1-10). They both have OLED displays and look really good.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

I don't run these memory clocks very often because there is no real-world benefit, but it still works. 8400 CL38 is my daily driver and the performance is almost the same, but requires substantially less VCCSA and VDD and VDDQ. It looks fancy in screenshots though.

 

[ryan]

Yeah he has the vivobook OLED pro. He also likes StarCraft 2. I told him to get that laptop as it was a good deal at 800.. hopefully he doesn't catch a fancy for cyberpunk or something..he was only really playing those two games so I figured at least the 3050 will be better than the 1650 laptop I sold him

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

Yeah he has the vivobook OLED pro. He also likes StarCraft 2. I told him to get that laptop as it was a good deal at 800.. hopefully he doesn't catch a fancy for cyberpunk or something..he was only really playing those two games so I figured at least the 3050 will be better than the 1650 laptop I sold him

 

Yup!

 

If it is either of these two I own, he is good to go! I actually really like these laptops for everyday portability and tasks. I use the Ultra 9 and gave the Ultra 7 (well, she kinda declared it hers and that was that) to my wife.

 

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-vivobook-pro-15-oled-laptop-intel-core-ultra-9-with-24gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3050-2tb-ssd-earl-gray/6568758.p?skuId=6568758&extStoreId=692&utm_source=feed&ref=212&loc=21470219954&gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjeT_ufjchwMV8TAIBR3kzBvZEAQYASABEgLqU_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

or

 

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-vivobook-pro-15-oled-laptop-intel-core-ultra-7-with-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3050-1tb-ssd-earl-gray/6568760.p?skuId=6568760

[ryan]

I think he got the one with ryzen 5800h can't remember. I bought the 12500h 8gb 512gb OLED model but only because it was cheap. I plan on selling it on eBay with the 16gb ram upgrade and wifi 7 be 200..might upgrade storage and then sell or just see what I can get...want to put the money from the vivobook and my cheaper 1366x 768 turdbook towards a barebones desktop. All good components but no GPU, not yet. I should be able to get 1000 from both and I still have my omen and zenbook which are also just sitting..actually been using my tablet as a replacement, so far liking the realm portability of couch surfing to reading on bed at night. It's a glasses free 3d tablet so after using ai to convert the old Star wars to 3d it's actually quite enjoyable...in the end it's looking like I'm eventually done with laptops that are thick n heavy..

 

https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/open-box-asus-vivobook-pro-oled-15-6-laptop-quiet-blue-amd-ryzen-7-5800h-512gb-ssd-16gb-ram-geforce-rtx-3050/17168069

 

Says like 1200

 

He paid 800

 

I was thinking of getting one but I'm still happy with my omen..all I wanted was an Ultrabooks and good tablet for reading the odd funny clip and music...zenbook OLED is incredible for that and my leia pad 2 has exceeded expectations as to what they are useful for...maybe not a desktop replacement but convenient for basics

[Mr. Fox]

So, I found a factory heatsink and backplate to allow me to convert the Aorus RTX 2080 Ti Xtreme Waterforce GPU to air so I can use it in place of the much weaker Titan in the Rampage IV Gene system. Ordered from AliExpress.

[electrosoft]

15 hours ago, ryan said:

I think he got the one with ryzen 5800h can't remember. I bought the 12500h 8gb 512gb OLED model but only because it was cheap. I plan on selling it on eBay with the 16gb ram upgrade and wifi 7 be 200..might upgrade storage and then sell or just see what I can get...want to put the money from the vivobook and my cheaper 1366x 768 turdbook towards a barebones desktop. All good components but no GPU, not yet. I should be able to get 1000 from both and I still have my omen and zenbook which are also just sitting..actually been using my tablet as a replacement, so far liking the realm portability of couch surfing to reading on bed at night. It's a glasses free 3d tablet so after using ai to convert the old Star wars to 3d it's actually quite enjoyable...in the end it's looking like I'm eventually done with laptops that are thick n heavy..

 

https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/open-box-asus-vivobook-pro-oled-15-6-laptop-quiet-blue-amd-ryzen-7-5800h-512gb-ssd-16gb-ram-geforce-rtx-3050/17168069

 

Says like 1200

 

He paid 800

 

I was thinking of getting one but I'm still happy with my omen..all I wanted was an Ultrabooks and good tablet for reading the odd funny clip and music...zenbook OLED is incredible for that and my leia pad 2 has exceeded expectations as to what they are useful for...maybe not a desktop replacement but convenient for basics

 

That will still get the job done for him and he should be quite content. 🙂

 

OLED really is a game changer in regards to display quality. It makes switching back and forth with IPS/VA panels quite noticeable.

 

 

[electrosoft]

On 8/3/2024 at 1:45 PM, Mr. Fox said:

That is pretty cheap.

 

It's nice to see Linus presenting a rational explanation and it really fits with the fact that manual overclockers are generally having none of the issues. Mostly the gamerboyz that try to use the bugged mobo manufacturer "features" and eTVB garbage and misguided sloppy LLC undervolting mistakes. (I don't agree with the advice at the end to install the latest BIOS update. The better solution would be to suggest manual tuning.)

 

 

 

I just finished watching this.

 

It appears Wendell and Falcon NW helped with the data and presentation.

 

Watching the entire thing and looking at the fixes in place now, there are still problems:

 

The newest BIOS (along with MC 0X125) set Intel baseline prefs (PL1/PL2=253w, ICC=307A) but still let chips overheat and single cores fly to the moon. It is false comfort. What they also should have done was also auto set very conservative LLC levels to stop any overshoot as auto then steps in and gets slap happy.

 

Personal testing using the "default" settings but adjusting LLC/AC_LL/DC_LL in tandem immediately brought all that overheating nonsense to a a stop and even allowed single core boosting to 6.2 to stay sub 1.4v at all times testing in CB23. I can not monitor the transients properly without an Oscilloscope nor do I want to go to BZ levels of data collection, so for now I'll stick to manual fixed voltage till the next bios update/mc patch and like I said before I have four profiles pretty much dialed in at  56x-59x / 45x / Auto ring (IE 4.5ghz - 5ghz). When the bios update drops, I'll test it versus 125.

 

This was shown on using the newest BIOS releases on the Z690 Strix and Z790i Lightning. Using defaults right out of the box and updated had my 14900KS shooting to 363w which in and unto itself isn't "bad" but what it also had it doing was overheating like crazy and asking (and getting) crazy amounts of voltage.

 

 Like you say, taking control of vcore is king.

 

Taking control of your voltage either via vrout max is the easiest way if your MB supports it (gigabyte and asus). Leave everything at auto and cap overall requested voltage regardless of settings/scenario/programs. This as "set and forget" easy as it gets.

 

Actually get in there and test/explore all types of settings and properly get to know your BIOS to extract maximum performance safely.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

I just finished watching this.

 

It appears Wendell and Falcon NW helped with the data and presentation.

 

Watching the entire thing and looking at the fixes in place now, there are still problems:

 

The newest BIOS (along with MC 0X125) set Intel baseline prefs (PL1/PL2=253w, ICC=307A) but still let chips overheat and single cores fly to the moon. It is false comfort. What they also should have done was also auto set very conservative LLC levels to stop any overshoot as auto then steps in and gets slap happy.

 

Personal testing using the "default" settings but adjusting LLC/AC_LL/DC_LL in tandem immediately brought all that overheating nonsense to a a stop and even allowed single core boosting to 6.2 to stay sub 1.4v at all times testing in CB23. I can not monitor the transients properly without an Oscilloscope nor do I want to go to BZ levels of data collection, so for now I'll stick to manual fixed voltage till the next bios update/mc patch and like I said before I have four profiles pretty much dialed in at  56x-59x / 45x / Auto ring (IE 4.5ghz - 5ghz). When the bios update drops, I'll test it versus 125.

 

This was shown on using the newest BIOS releases on the Z690 Strix and Z790i Lightning. Using defaults right out of the box and updated had my 14900KS shooting to 363w which in and unto itself isn't "bad" but what it also had it doing was overheating like crazy and asking (and getting) crazy amounts of voltage.

 

 Like you say, taking control of vcore is king.

 

Taking control of your voltage either via vrout max is the easiest way if your MB supports it (gigabyte and asus). Leave everything at auto and cap overall requested voltage regardless of settings/scenario/programs. This as "set and forget" easy as it gets.

 

Actually get in there and test/explore all types of settings and properly get to know your BIOS to extract maximum performance safely.

I agree. I do not embrace their solutions, but I thought the issue itself was approached intelligently and not tainted by any kind of emotion or fanboy finger-pointing that Intel went too far trying to beat AMD. I do not agree with that. I think the methodology behind the "AI" and eTVB (and PBO on AMD) overclocking is a flawed and problematic approach that has effectively shown itself to be folly for both Intel and AMD. AMD's response was to limit their CPU overclocking abilities to keep the CPUs from being killed, which is a sucky approach that ignores the real problem, and I sure hope Intel doesn't take this lazy way out.

 

I limit the Vcore max in the BIOS as well, so that any overshoots or spikes are capped. For example, my 13900KS can run 60x all P-core and 48x all E-core synced Cinebench-stable with manual Vcore set at 1.400V. On the CPU power menu I have L7 LLC set with AC and DC LLC set at 0.010 and capped the Vcore at 1.500V. No issues. I find the voltage needed for my other CPUs in the same way and lock it down. No degradation that I can find. 

 

Those benchmarks I ran yesterday at 6.0GHz and 8600 on memory were run to confirm nothing has changed since I last went on a number-chasing spree. And, no surprise to me, nothing had changed.

 

While my core and package temperatures end up being a few degrees higher, I think the trade-off is safety and stability. If it gets too hot it will thermal throttle (as has been the case for years) but it won't grenade itself with insane voltage spikes trying to boost off the charts.

 

The early guidance in the ASUS Z790 overclocking tutorials at oc.net suggest capping the Vcore at 1.700V is safe, but I don't see any reason to set it that high. I am also not convinced that tuning LLC to attempt to match the load VID and load Vcore, allowing high idle voltage and crazy load vdroop is a good idea. Way too much variance and wild swings in the highs and lows for me to think that is a smart idea.

 

I'm pretty sure the old school way of doing things is usually the best way, and overclocking is no exception. The new and not-so-improved thermal-controlled dynamic clocking and algorithm-based voltage control nonsense is for the birds.

[Papusan]

G.SKILL Trident Z5 Royal DDR5-8000 48GB CL40 Review

All that matters for modern PC users (included gamer kids).... Pretty blingy bling almost as precious stones. Yup... G.Skill know how to offer huge value.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

G.SKILL Trident Z5 Royal DDR5-8000 48GB CL40 Review

All that matters for modern PC users (included gamer kids).... Pretty blingy bling almost as precious stones. Yup... G.Skill know how to offer huge value.

 

 

That's pathetic. Seems like 8000 Royal is about 2 years late to the party. And, the TPU article is 20 pages of worthless information. It is as ugly as it always has been and will overheat with their half-assed approach to thermals. What do you reckon makes this RGB "excellent" compared to others? Maybe the mere fact that is has RGB makes it qualify for being called excellent in the mind of the reviewer? So anything that has RGB is going to be automatically assigned the mantle of being excellent? Nothing to see here, boys and girls... now go clean your room, and don't forget to brush your teeth.

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Dufus spent a lot more time on this than necessary, but I agree with his thoughts (as usual).  Seems like the YouNoob influencers are making this bigger than it should be and taking it personal that a huge multi-billion dollar corporation isn't responding in a way that they think is appropriate. I am starting to feel like I am watching the retarded woke lefty broads on The View with some of their videos.

 

[Papusan]

On 8/3/2024 at 5:42 PM, Mr. Fox said:

The media is a two-edged sword and they have the power to create more issues than they solve. GN is certainly a trusted source and I do not doubt the accuracy (very well supported by facts) but I do question whether or not any of it is going to benefit anyone and may end up being more harmful than helpful in the long run.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One of my biggest take-aways from all of the hype (and it surfaced a few times in the GN video) is the hidden nugget (unintended and inconvenient truth) that refusing BIOS and OS updates when my systems are functioning the way I want them to is an extremely wise personal best practice that I have abided by for more than a decade and I shall continue doing so indefinitely because it has exempted me, almost entirely, from the stupid nonsense that update evangelists have suffered from. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. If you do, it will eventually get broken.

 

Nothing I have seen so far changes my fondness for my nicely binned 13th and 14th Gen i9 CPUs and none of it makes me pause to consider the possibility of AMD as a viable option. All of these big tech companies are equally dishonest scumbags that are rotten from head to toe and never let an opportunity to cover their own asses with lies and misrepresentations to slip by them. None of them give a rat's butt about their employees or the people that buy their products. We cannot trust any of them to be honest about anything... ever. The current mess with Intel causes too many of us to forget the past messes, missteps lies and scams from AMD and NVIDIA. Some fairly recent.

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Speaking of lies and missrepresentations, for those who have drank the Kool-Aid and joined the muppet show of Winduhz 11 apostles, here is some fuel for the fire for those of us that despise the new cancer OS. Windows 11 offers no benefit and is actually harmful to performance. The only thing Winduhz 11 offers is a new level of ugliness for those that prefer a less-useful and tackier-looking GUI. The joke is on Windoze 11 users, but it's not a funny one. Utterly worthless OS downgrade. But, everyone is too busy hating on Intel to talk about this right now.

 

 

 

 

 

22 hours ago, electrosoft said:

This was shown on using the newest BIOS releases on the Z690 Strix and Z790i Lightning. Using defaults right out of the box and updated had my 14900KS shooting to 363w which in and unto itself isn't "bad" but what it also had it doing was overheating like crazy and asking (and getting) crazy amounts of voltage.

 

People still forget this. Higher power consumption the hotter the Cpu run. And the more voltage you need to feed. 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

37 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

 

The only reason to not recommend Intel is that most users have no idea how to manually tune their CPU and the mere thought of entering the BIOS is utterly terrifying to many of them. Many of them are buying cheaper CPUs and motherboards that are "good enough for gaming" so the i9 "problem" the media is chirping about may not even apply to many of them.

 

I think there's a small group of them that buy the best even though they don't have a clue how to use it. In their case, it may be like giving a razor-sharp Samurai sword to a child and expecting them to not get hurt, or not hurt someone else, with it.

[electrosoft]

Intel is not only extended its warranty to 5 years but also to OEM/Tray CPUs:

 

Important part is if you can't get satisfaction with your OEM/Tray seller, reach out to Intel directly now. That's huge for some of us who have purchased tray CPUs.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-to-extend-warranty-for-oem-tray-13-14th-gen-core-raptor-lake-cpus

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Intel is not only extended its warranty to 5 years but also to OEM/Tray CPUs:

 

Important part is if you can't get satisfaction with your OEM/Tray seller, reach out to Intel directly now. That's huge for some of us who have purchased tray CPUs.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-to-extend-warranty-for-oem-tray-13-14th-gen-core-raptor-lake-cpus

 

That is the right thing to do, and extending it to OEM/tray CPUs is above and beyond what they are required to do. 

I do wonder if they are going to take the "no questions asked" high road approach or take the low road and ask if the CPU had been overclocked, set for eTVB or XMP applied and still declare the warranty void for the users that dare to answer honestly.

 

All of the folks hoping for a microcode update really need to pull their heads out of their butts and be careful about what they hope for. Intel blocked voltage control for turdbook CPUs some time ago and things have never been right since then. Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease. The answer is not microcode updates or setting restrictions, but safe and sane firmware defaults.

[tps3443]

I think it’s time to skip a generation. Let’s pay the credit cards back down to zero. No more new toys for me lol. Now, I appreciate the extra Intel CPU warranty on my 14900KS. But if something happen to this chip, getting another would be kinda tough.

[Papusan]

On 7/31/2024 at 1:21 PM, Papusan said:

 The tech trend continue rolling. Anyone want Subscription-based hardware?

 

 It's difficult seeing many computer users buying into this monetization model. 

 

Faber is more confident about this being the future of mice after visiting the company’s innovation center in Ireland. There, she says one of the team members showed her a concept of the “forever mouse” and described it as “a little heavier, it had great software and services that you’d constantly update, and it was beautiful.” The mouse is compared with a nice watch that isn’t just thrown away, such as a Rolex.

 

Logitech Floats Idea Of A Subscription-Based Forever Mouse With DLC

 

 

 

On 7/31/2024 at 4:31 PM, Papusan said:

My good old logitech mouse and KB will be the last one I get from Logitech if they go the subscription route forwards. Then goodbye. Now it's up to the rest of consumers. Because I don't wan't be a part of this crazy madness.

 

The tech world is flooded with bad idea's. Maybe it's time to get rid of stupid/dumb CEO's that can't see the light? @Mr. Fox Where do they find those damn stupid idiots? Impossible to find smart enough people to lead their companies in the right direction? Hmmm, food for thoughts.

Logitech: 'Forever mouse' was just a (bad) idea

Logitech has backed off its idea of a "forever mouse" that would be built around a subscription.

 

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

That is the right thing to do, and extending it to OEM/tray CPUs is above and beyond what they are required to do. 

I do wonder if they are going to take the "no questions asked" high road approach or take the low road and ask if the CPU had been overclocked, set for eTVB or XMP applied and still declare the warranty void for the users that dare to answer honestly.

 

All of the folks hoping for a microcode update really need to pull their heads out of their butts and be careful about what they hope for. Intel blocked voltage control for turdbook CPUs some time ago and things have never been right since then. Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease. The answer is not microcode updates or setting restrictions, but safe and sane firmware defaults.

 

I expect Intel to still ask questions like before and idiots to answer them in good faith and get shanked. It is the Intel way.

 

I'm curious to see what the MC update brings. Lightning supports multiple revisions to run, so if it is garbage or too locked down I'll just downgrade. Even the idea of locked down desktops on the level of laptops across the board tightens my jaw in the wrong way. I just expect this update to lock down the vrout max to ~1.45v or maybe 1.4v at the max.

 

If Intel does want to return to the days of pricey "Extreme Editions" for OCers and everything else being locked down for "safety" , I would howl and complain yet knowing full well I would also be picking one up

 

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I think it’s time to skip a generation. Let’s pay the credit cards back down to zero. No more new toys for me lol. Now, I appreciate the extra Intel CPU warranty on my 14900KS. But if something happen to this chip, getting another would be kinda tough.

 

I mean a 14900KS AND a 4090? I know that credit card has got to be smokin!! 😁

 

I was just looking around at the pile of tech I've accumulated (14900KS, 7950X3D, 7800XTX, 4090, etc...) and 4 desktops now in the house along with 5-6 laptops (even after the sell off) and I need to slow down too and offload some of this and take a pause*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*does not include 5090 🤣

[Mr. Fox]

Lots of new B650 broken gamerboy trash boards hitting store shelves. These motherboard manufacturers should be ashamed for release rubbish like this. They must not care about maintaining a good brand image and reputation.

 

 

[Papusan]

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Lots of new B650 broken gamerboy trash boards hitting store shelves. These motherboard manufacturers should be ashamed for release rubbish like this. They must not care about maintaining a good brand image and reputation.

 

 

 

Maybe the gamerboys can spend $50 more on better motherboards now as AMD have lowered the prices for coming Ryzen 9000 chips. Not as cheap as some hoped for but $40-50 USD will help people to buy better motherboards.

 

Rejoice! AMD’s Ryzen 9000 CPUs are cheaper than last generation

AMD confirmed today that prices for its next-gen Ryzen 9000 desktop processors, previously leaked by Best Buy, are accurate. Surprisingly, these prices represent a decrease relative to the prior generation.

 

An official X/Twitter post says that the Ryzen 7 9700X will be priced at $359 (down $40 from its previous Ryzen 7 7700X) and the Ryzen 5 9600X will be priced at $279 (down $20 from its previous Ryzen 5 7600X). They’re hitting the streets August 8.

 

Following a week later on August 15th will be the Ryzen 9 9950X, $649, and the Ryzen 7 9900X, $499. Those are cheaper than their 7000-series models by $50 each. While not as low as the initial Best Buy leak, the discount should be much appreciated by system builders.

 

This is also good news for those of us that will go with next gen Intel chips this fall/winter. 

 

I wonder if AMD know something about next gen Intel that we don't know. This is the only reason AMD will reduce prices from what I know of. They don't do this for goodness. Just see what AMD did with the pricing of their first gen 16 core 5950X ($799) due Intel was late to the party with more cores.

 

And regarding the lower end Ryzen 9000 series as etc 7900X.... Me think AMD reduced the TDP from 170W down to 120W was due they will offer "defective" silicon. And AMD re-called all Zen5 chips due their inferior silicon binning. Say "not meeting their quality standard" is just hiding the real problem. Aka trash binning.  Jup, AMD have learned their lesson from Intel's stability problems due trash binning. Saved by the gong gong. Or by Intel.

 

AMD hitting the stop button on 9000 series launch...

[Mr. Fox]

42 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Maybe the gamerboys can spend $50 more on better motherboards now as AMD have lowered the prices for coming Ryzen 9000 chips. Not as cheap as some hoped for but $40-50 USD will help people to buy better motherboards.

 

Rejoice! AMD’s Ryzen 9000 CPUs are cheaper than last generation

AMD confirmed today that prices for its next-gen Ryzen 9000 desktop processors, previously leaked by Best Buy, are accurate. Surprisingly, these prices represent a decrease relative to the prior generation.

 

An official X/Twitter post says that the Ryzen 7 9700X will be priced at $359 (down $40 from its previous Ryzen 7 7700X) and the Ryzen 5 9600X will be priced at $279 (down $20 from its previous Ryzen 5 7600X). They’re hitting the streets August 8.

 

Following a week later on August 15th will be the Ryzen 9 9950X, $649, and the Ryzen 7 9900X, $499. Those are cheaper than their 7000-series models by $50 each. While not as low as the initial Best Buy leak, the discount should be much appreciated by system builders.

 

This is also good news for those of us that will go with next gen Intel chips this fall/winter. 

 

I wonder if AMD know something about next gen Intel that we don't know. This is the only reason AMD will reduce prices from what I know of. They don't do this for goodness. Just see what AMD did with the pricing of their first gen 16 core 5950X ($799) due Intel was late to the party with more cores.

This is the technology space we are talking about, so there is an underlying agenda or self-serving purpose somewhere. No company that operates in this realm ever does anything because it is the right thing to do for the people that purchase products. The price is lower because they can still make a profit and the lower price is forecast to make them more money in another way. At the very least they will profit  on the heels of the calamity the media has crafted and the irrational behavior of consumers that will follow. That is already happening. At least half of what the world believes about everything is untrue, but they believe it because it is on TV and on the internet and at least half of the people are not smart enough to think for themselves.

 

 

[Papusan]

18 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

 

LOOL. Fanboys is weird animals😁 And the one down here.... He know the fully truth why AMD withdraw 9000 series processors. How can he be so sure bro @Mr. Fox? Because he is an fanboy? And he also say... Some companies is very trustworthy... Hmmm. 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

20 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

LOOL. Fanboys is weird animals😁 And the one down here.... He know the fully truth why AMD withdraw 9000 series processors? How can he be sure bro @Mr. Fox? Because he is an fanboy? And he say... Some companies is very trustworthy... Hmmm. 

 

 

You cannot have an intelligent conversation with people like that. They are beyond help and they like believing what they want to believe. And he is wrong. They are all equally bad, at least among Intel, AMD, NVIDIA, Micro$lop, Crapple, Google, etc. You cannot trust any large company/industry (big tech, big pharma, etc.) or government to do what is best for the people it exists to serve exploit. That is not a conspiracy theory. It's an observation of their behavior.

[Talon]

 

Oooofff. Ya I knew when Lisa Su came on stage, barely talked about Zen 5 and had to force a smile that Zen 5 was going to suck, and well..