*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[chew]

AM5 poor memory clocking..........

 

More like poor memory over clockers.

 

I'll handle this soon 😉

 

 

[Papusan]

Will PC makers replace your crashing Intel chip? We asked 14 of them

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, chew said:

AM5 poor memory clocking..........

 

More like poor memory over clockers.

 

I'll handle this soon 😉

 

 

We have already seen your impressive tuning skills.  I haven't seen many AM5 owners that can do what you do with the memory tuning on that platform.  But, even with your incredible talent in play the results from the platform are generally not equal in terms of read, write, copy and latency at the same clock speed. That's the platform, not your well above-average abilities with it.

  

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Will PC makers replace your crashing Intel chip? We asked 14 of them

Nice to see most of them are standing behind what they sell. Many (maybe most) of the customers that buy their PCs would never own it long enough to reach the time limit. But, offering it may bring most of them back when they are ready for an upgrade.

[electrosoft]

Intel says Raptor Lake microcode update will not affect overclocking and performance

 

Also Intel:

 

[Mr. Fox]

Hey Brother @Papusan here is the latest. Hurry, because newer is better. Tell all of your friends on Facepoot. 🤣

 

https://rog-forum.asus.com/t5/intel-700-600-series/raptorlake-resources/m-p/1034564/highlight/true#M24284

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Hey Brother @Papusan here is the latest. Hurry, because newer is better. Tell all of your friends on Facepoot. 🤣

 

https://rog-forum.asus.com/t5/intel-700-600-series/raptorlake-resources/m-p/1034564/highlight/true#M24284

Dang: It says... Improve system performance

 

So it has to be good 🤩

 

 

Also MSI have pushed out new bios with the new MC

MSI and Asus roll out first Intel instability fix for a range of motherboards with 0x129 microcode BIOS

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Back to the sad story with Ryzen Zen5.......

 

 

AMD Ryzen 7 9700X: Using Less Power Is This CPU's Superpower pcmag.com

 

What’s more concerning is that Intel’s 14th Gen Raptor Lake refresh processors drive much more performance. To be sure: We are fully aware some of these chips have, for all intents and purposes, blown up at current settings. But we're also keeping in mind how this problem could be resolved on newly purchased chips this very month, and are mindful of Intel’s now-extended five-year warranty on those same processors.

 

Even if you have to slow down or undervolt the processor to avoid damage, the performance differences between this new Ryzen, and Intel's Core i5-14600K and Core i7-14700K, are so large that you’d still have a faster PC by going with Intel.

 

That’s not even to mention that the Core i5-14600K costs around $299 from multiple online retailers, which makes it less expensive, or that the Core i7-14700K is available for around $397 from Amazon—not much more than AMD's chip.

 

We cannot say that the Ryzen 7 9700X is a disappointing CPU, as it truly is not. It performs well, and it delivers excellent power-draw and heat-generation numbers that AMD should rightly be proud of. The problem: It simply doesn’t outperform its predecessor by much, and it’s slower overall than the Intel competition.

 

 

AMD Ryzen 7 9700X Review: Zen 5 Arrives

 

We're a bit miffed by the 9700X's overall performance. It seems rather pointless, and we can't imagine those X3D chips expected later in the year are going to be much different given what we've seen here. It was also shocking to find the 9700X slower than the 7700X in some games, and it's this inconsistent performance that makes the 9700X particularly bad in our opinion. It's underwhelming at best.

 

From worse to even worse. This time with the Ryzen 5 9600X on the table.

 

Yup, bro @Mr. Fox Newer has to be better🤢 Does "Disaster" means better in the English language?😁 What a fiasco release.

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

Hmmmm, this will be a fun test for the new MC and if the SA Bug goes away (or is board specific):

 

 

@Mr. Fox Something you could test (as will I) with your known SA Bugged R batch.

 

 

[Papusan]

45 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Hmmmm, this will be a fun test for the new MC and if the SA Bug goes away (or is board specific):

 

 

@Mr. Fox Something you could test (as will I) with your known SA Bugged R batch.

 

 

 

Could be there is more than elevated voltage that's fixed with the new MC. The stablility issues people have seen with Intel chips can also be memory related as well. 

 

On 7/20/2024 at 5:52 PM, Papusan said:

Damn nice if Intel have a serious problems with their cpus paired with 5600 mem kit and above. We have already the SA bug. Well see if the problem is mem speed related. Hmmm.

 

 

On 7/27/2024 at 5:38 PM, Papusan said:

Hmmm. This one is worth to see.

 

 

 

 

 

[Talon]

Flashed the new BIOS to my Asus Apex. Zero performance losses noted and voltages are slightly reduced. So far so good. I never had crashing issues with my 14900KS, but still good to see the fix is out and I can relax about any degradation that might be happening at a faster than expected rate in the background. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Hmmmm, this will be a fun test for the new MC and if the SA Bug goes away (or is board specific):

 

 

@Mr. Fox Something you could test (as will I) with your known SA Bugged R batch.

My concern is that something undesirable might be permanent with the firmware update. If I do not like it and cannot undo it I will be super ticked off and have to replace the motherboard if downgrade is not possible. I am not worried about the SA bug (does not matter in the grand scheme of things) or the "problem" they are trying to fix. I am curious to see what it does, bit skeptical and cautious. 

[Talon]

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

Dang: It says... Improve system performance

 

So it has to be good 🤩

 

 

Also MSI have pushed out new bios with the new MC

MSI and Asus roll out first Intel instability fix for a range of motherboards with 0x129 microcode BIOS

 

 

AMD Ryzen 7 9700X: Using Less Power Is This CPU's Superpower pcmag.com

 

What’s more concerning is that Intel’s 14th Gen Raptor Lake refresh processors drive much more performance. To be sure: We are fully aware some of these chips have, for all intents and purposes, blown up at current settings. But we're also keeping in mind how this problem could be resolved on newly purchased chips this very month, and are mindful of Intel’s now-extended five-year warranty on those same processors.

 

Even if you have to slow down or undervolt the processor to avoid damage, the performance differences between this new Ryzen, and Intel's Core i5-14600K and Core i7-14700K, are so large that you’d still have a faster PC by going with Intel.

 

That’s not even to mention that the Core i5-14600K costs around $299 from multiple online retailers, which makes it less expensive, or that the Core i7-14700K is available for around $397 from Amazon—not much more than AMD's chip.

 

We cannot say that the Ryzen 7 9700X is a disappointing CPU, as it truly is not. It performs well, and it delivers excellent power-draw and heat-generation numbers that AMD should rightly be proud of. The problem: It simply doesn’t outperform its predecessor by much, and it’s slower overall than the Intel competition.

 

 

AMD Ryzen 7 9700X Review: Zen 5 Arrives

 

We're a bit miffed by the 9700X's overall performance. It seems rather pointless, and we can't imagine those X3D chips expected later in the year are going to be much different given what we've seen here. It was also shocking to find the 9700X slower than the 7700X in some games, and it's this inconsistent performance that makes the 9700X particularly bad in our opinion. It's underwhelming at best.

 

From worse to even worse. This time with the Ryzen 5 9600X on the table.

 

Yup, bro @Mr. Fox Newer has to be better🤢 Does "Disaster" means better in the English language?😁 What a fiasco release.

 

 

 

 

The belly flop continues. Honestly all Arrow Lake has to do at this point is drop the power by the leaked 100w across the board and it will be a success compared to Zen 5. But we know they're going to bring perf uplift too. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 minute ago, Talon said:

Flashed the new BIOS to my Asus Apex. Zero performance losses noted and voltages are slightly reduced. So far so good. I never had crashing issues with my 14900KS, but still good to see the fix is out and I can relax about any degradation that might be happening at a faster than expected rate in the background. 

Cinebench scores are the same?

[Talon]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Cinebench scores are the same?

 

Honestly identical to my 11F microcode BIOS in CB23 with same power/current/undervolt. But of course 11F comes with the voltage issues. 

[Mr. Fox]

10 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Honestly identical to my 11F microcode BIOS in CB23 with same power/current/undervolt. But of course 11F comes with the voltage issues. 

OK. I might test it on the Encore as a crash dummy. The MSI Edge will be last, if ever, since it does not have dual BIOS and if downgrading is not possible it will basically become worthless to me if I do not approve of the firmware changes.

[Talon]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

OK. I might test it on the Encore as a crash dummy. The MSI Edge will be last, if ever, since it does not have dual BIOS and if downgrading is not possible it will basically become worthless to me if I do not approve of the firmware changes.

 

I'd be curious if the SA bug is fixed. I don't have it on my chips, but would be pretty hilarious if Intel managed to fix that with this BIOS. Might have been a voltage bug all along that was causing issues on some of these chips. 

[electrosoft]

42 minutes ago, Talon said:

Flashed the new BIOS to my Asus Apex. Zero performance losses noted and voltages are slightly reduced. So far so good. I never had crashing issues with my 14900KS, but still good to see the fix is out and I can relax about any degradation that might be happening at a faster than expected rate in the background. 

 

Promising start! I'll have to wait for Asrock to release an updated BIOS in the next week or so before giving it a whirl. I've logged so much data at 5.6-5.9 profiles on the 14900KS that it will be nice to compare the profiles.

 

41 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

My concern is that something undesirable might be permanent with the firmware update. If I do not like it and cannot undo it I will be super disappointed off and have to replace the motherboard if downgrade is not possible. I am not worried about the SA bug (does not matter in the grand scheme of things) or the "problem" they are trying to fix. I am curious to see what it does, bit skeptical and cautious. 

 

Agreed. With my setup and end game goals, the SA Bug is not an issue. I ended up doing a full TM5 run at 8400 but the timings and voltage settings are better at 8200 especially temps atm.

 

14 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

I'd be curious if the SA bug is fixed. I don't have it on my chips, but would be pretty hilarious if Intel managed to fix that with this BIOS. Might have been a voltage bug all along that was causing issues on some of these chips. 

 

This. Would be a nice bonus for my 14900KS, but honestly the chip is firing on all cylinders for my needs which is why I kept it versus returning it (plus the seller was super honest and nice).

 

More proof the MC update has resolved the SA Bug at least on Asus boards:

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

Flashed the new BIOS to my Asus Apex. Zero performance losses noted and voltages are slightly reduced. So far so good. I never had crashing issues with my 14900KS, but still good to see the fix is out and I can relax about any degradation that might be happening at a faster than expected rate in the background. 

 

I expect Asus have kept the older MEI firmware v16.1.30.2307 with the new beta bios. That's good. MSI use the newer v16.1.30.2361 

[Mr. Fox]

55 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Promising start! I'll have to wait for Asrock to release an updated BIOS in the next week or so before giving it a whirl. I've logged so much data at 5.6-5.9 profiles on the 14900KS that it will be nice to compare the profiles.

 

 

Agreed. With my setup and end game goals, the SA Bug is not an issue. I ended up doing a full TM5 run at 8400 but the timings and voltage settings are better at 8200 especially temps atm.

 

 

This. Would be a nice bonus for my 14900KS, but honestly the chip is firing on all cylinders for my needs which is why I kept it versus returning it (plus the seller was super honest and nice).

 

More proof the MC update has resolved the SA Bug at least on Asus boards:

 

 

If that fixes it, I might move the CPU in the Edge over to the Encore and put the 13900KS in the Edge. Their VF curves are almost the same, very close, but the 14900KF in the Edge with the SA bug has slightly better E-core and lower Cache voltage needs. If I remember correctly it can run the E-cores at 49x stable and the 13900KS caps out at 48x on E-cores. I only moved it to the Edge since the memory is air cooled and running it above 8200 is thermally not ideal.

14 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

I expect Asus have kept the older MEI firmware v16.1.30.2307 with the new beta bios. That's good. MSI use the newer v16.1.30.2361 

Unless something has changed, MSI still does it the right way and you have to deliberately download and flash the ME firmware if you want newer. They do not bundle the ME filth in their BIOS to form a cancer cocktail. Hopefully, that has not changed. ASUS really needs to stop doing that and add a BIOS menu option to disable the ME, because it is utterly worthless and contributes zero value to anything from a consumer perspective. If nothing else, it impairs security and never has anything to contribute in terms of improving performance. It should no longer even exist.

[tps3443]

This retail sp108 USA made 14900KS is a true mad dog. The IMC is beyond anything I have ever owned or tested, and so is the ring. You can bench with 5.5Ghz ring on this chip if you want. I do not feel the need to really overclock the P/E cores much if at all. Since 5.9Ghz is fantastic. With no delid, the load vcore is 1.208v with the ring at 5.3Ghz. This CPU is not delidded either. It runs so good right out of the box. 

This below is DDR5 8800c38 with only 1.540V vdd. I am going to keep pushing the voltages and improve even further. But this works totally fine as a daily setup. 

Really a cool CPU though. One of the most well rounded I have owned besides my old 11900K. This is a reincarnation of that it seems. I really love this chip, and I had to say it! I may just skip next gen Intel. 🙂

[Mr. Fox]

19 minutes ago, Papusan said:

I expect Asus have kept the older MEI firmware v16.1.30.2307 with the new beta bios. That's good. MSI use the newer v16.1.30.2361 

 

4 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Unless something has changed, MSI still does it the right way and you have to deliberately download and flash the ME firmware if you want newer. They do not bundle the ME filth in their BIOS to form a cancer cocktail.

Yes, that remains the same. They make the newer ME available for any fool that wants to flash it, but it is not bundled in the BIOS. I have never updated the ME on the Edge and I would never update it on ASUS if they didn't bundle the filth. It really sucks that ASUS does this. I really do not like many things about ASUS firmware. The menus are nice, but they do a lot of idiotic things. The way their motherboard have to "re-flash" firmware to another area when you flip the switch on the motherboard is absolutely idiotic. Dual BIOS should actually mean dual BIOS, not their hybrid abortion version of that. EVGA was the only motherboard manufacturer that has done everything right for a very long time.

[Talon]

 

 

 

[Papusan]

When will Intel release a hybrid chips with 3 different type E-cores for their mobile trash? This is just disgusting. 

 

Intel Arrow Lake-H CPUs For Laptops To Feature Core Architecture Trio: Lion Cove P-Cores, Skymont E-Cores, Crestmont LP-E Cores

 

Intel's Arrow Lake-H CPUs are now confirmed to include three different core architectures, Lion Cove P, Skymont E & Crestmont LP-E cores.

 

 

And here's a new problem Intel HQ need to handle. 

Intel hit with lawsuit over $32 billion loss, shareholders complain company hid problems

[Mr. Fox]

31 minutes ago, Papusan said:

When will Intel release a hybrid chips with 3 different type E-cores for their mobile trash? This is just disgusting. 

 

Intel Arrow Lake-H CPUs For Laptops To Feature Core Architecture Trio: Lion Cove P-Cores, Skymont E-Cores, Crestmont LP-E Cores

 

Intel's Arrow Lake-H CPUs are now confirmed to include three different core architectures, Lion Cove P, Skymont E & Crestmont LP-E cores.

 

 

And here's a new problem Intel HQ need to handle. 

Intel hit with lawsuit over $32 billion loss, shareholders complain company hid problems

All turdbooks are disgusting. I cannot identify any circumstance where I would be willing to purchase a modern notebook. They are all loathsome rubbish and detestable objects that stand as examples of human stupidity. This just adds a new dimension to the already-unacceptable rubbish that further reinforces the already-unlikely possibility that I would consider wasting my money on any of these trashy products. 

[saturnotaku]

I was hoping for much better from Zen 5. Guess I'll be holding on to my 5600X3D for a while longer. 

 

I also have to wonder if there will be microcode updates for Intel laptops. To Gigabyte's credit, their Aorus laptops have an advanced BIOS like MSI that lets you not only undervolt but also set a cap on the maximum voltage the system will ask for. Gigabyte Control Center still sucks as a software suite, but considering I didn't have to pay for the laptop, I can live with it.

[Mr. Fox]

17 minutes ago, saturnotaku said:

I was hoping for much better from Zen 5. Guess I'll be holding on to my 5600X3D for a while longer. 

 

I also have to wonder if there will be microcode updates for Intel laptops. To Gigabyte's credit, their Aorus laptops have an advanced BIOS like MSI that lets you not only undervolt but also set a cap on the maximum voltage the system will ask for. Gigabyte Control Center still sucks as a software suite, but considering I didn't have to pay for the laptop, I can live with it.

If you need fan control for your laptop, see if Argus Monitor will work. It works excellent for my desktops and even includes RGB controls that work for GPUs and some motherboards. I have not tried it on my Dell Precision yet because I rarely ever have a reason to use a laptop, but I am planning to the next time I have a reason to use it.

 

I believe they have a trial version that you can test to see if it works before you buy. All of the motherboard control centers are the worst software imaginable. Armory Crate, MSI Dragon Center and Control Center, Gigabyte, ASROCK, Tong Feng, Alienware and Clevo all have universally horrible software support products. It seems like the laptop versions might be a little worse, but I won't allow any of their cancer garbage to be installed on my desktops.